What a real Christian sounds like.
Mar 11, 2019 05:15:40 #
Blade Runner continually states that I hate all Christians and I continually tell him that's not true. My ire is directed at the fundamentalists. Those who use the bible as a shield for their bigotry. I believe a true Christian doesn't do that. I think Jimmy Carter expresses well what a Christian sounds like. I think those who truly desire to be a Christian could well use him as their model.
Mar 11, 2019 06:05:07 #
PeterS wrote:
Blade Runner continually states that I hate all Christians and I continually tell him that's not true. My ire is directed at the fundamentalists. Those who use the bible as a shield for their bigotry. I believe a true Christian doesn't do that. I think Jimmy Carter expresses well what a Christian sounds like. I think those who truly desire to be a Christian could well use him as their model.
Christ taught to obey the laws of God...
And spoke of marriage (man and woman)...
I agree that he didn't have any particular anger towards gays... He loved all...
I am sure that you don't hate all Christians...
There are just certain types who rub you the wrong way
Mar 11, 2019 09:08:50 #
PeterS wrote:
Blade Runner continually states that I hate all Christians and I continually tell him that's not true. My ire is directed at the fundamentalists. Those who use the bible as a shield for their bigotry. I believe a true Christian doesn't do that. I think Jimmy Carter expresses well what a Christian sounds like. I think those who truly desire to be a Christian could well use him as their model.
You mistake knowing homosexuality is a sin with bigotry. I question anyone who calls themselves Christian who picks and chooses what to believe. The bible is crystal clear that its a sin. Having said that its not up to anyone to condemn others for that is up to God alone.
Mar 11, 2019 09:44:35 #
Peewee
Loc: San Antonio, TX
PeterS wrote:
Blade Runner continually states that I hate all Christians and I continually tell him that's not true. My ire is directed at the fundamentalists. Those who use the bible as a shield for their bigotry. I believe a true Christian doesn't do that. I think Jimmy Carter expresses well what a Christian sounds like. I think those who truly desire to be a Christian could well use him as their model.
Duh, where do you think the word sodomy came from? Does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell? There were five cities in that area near the Dead Sea, all were destroyed with hail and brimstone. Brimstone is a type of burning ball-shaped sulfur. The only place it has ever been found is in the area of those five towns which the ruins of you can still visit today. When the Bible says something you can trust it. The Bible is God's Holy Word when you declare the Bible wrong you're calling God a liar. Be careful. Just because you wish something doesn't make it true. The Bible is clear on this subject and maybe your problem is with God and not Christians who preach His words. Just so you know, I have a lot of problems with pastors and priests who twist God's words or ignore them and teach people error.
Mar 11, 2019 10:11:35 #
It is those you label "fundamentalists" who actually believe the Bible is God's Word, and obey it to the best of their ability.
It is they who rely upon the Word of God as a guide. It is not bigotry to recognize sin as God has described it, and to "speak the truth in love" regarding it.
Jimmy Carter is so lost, whether due to age, infirmity or deliberate willfulness on his part. In recent years, he has repeatedly condemned Israel and the Jewish people, while he defends the Palestinians so called right to God's land.
His defense of Homosexuality is one more needle thrust into God's eye.
Jimmy Carter is said to be a Sunday School teacher in a Baptist church, and the elders of that church need to go to him for clarification and edification.
The man's political standing as a senior statesman can not excuse misrepresenting the clearly stated will of God in His Word.
If you believe that to be "bigotry," a new dictionary might be in order.
It is they who rely upon the Word of God as a guide. It is not bigotry to recognize sin as God has described it, and to "speak the truth in love" regarding it.
Jimmy Carter is so lost, whether due to age, infirmity or deliberate willfulness on his part. In recent years, he has repeatedly condemned Israel and the Jewish people, while he defends the Palestinians so called right to God's land.
His defense of Homosexuality is one more needle thrust into God's eye.
Jimmy Carter is said to be a Sunday School teacher in a Baptist church, and the elders of that church need to go to him for clarification and edification.
The man's political standing as a senior statesman can not excuse misrepresenting the clearly stated will of God in His Word.
If you believe that to be "bigotry," a new dictionary might be in order.
PeterS wrote:
Blade Runner continually states that I hate all Christians and I continually tell him that's not true. My ire is directed at the fundamentalists. Those who use the bible as a shield for their bigotry. I believe a true Christian doesn't do that. I think Jimmy Carter expresses well what a Christian sounds like. I think those who truly desire to be a Christian could well use him as their model.
Mar 11, 2019 11:08:43 #
no propaganda please
Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
Zemirah wrote:
It is those you label "fundamentalists" ... (show quote)
The concept of "homosexuality" as a state of being is relatively new, primarily an idea invented by psychiatrists like Freud, promoted by deviants like Kinsey. Before then it was considered an activity, against nature and the rule of God. Yes, the Egyptians practiced it, as did the Greeks and Romans. Keep in mind that all 3 of these same societies advocated sacrificing living humans to their gods,abandoning newborn babies, particularly girls, to starve to death or be eaten by wild animals. They all promoted slavery, and castrated males to make better servants for their handmaidens. Make sure your frame of reference is complete. while using these people as grand examples of goodness . Christianity asks that we love these sinners and try to help them get past the evil urges of their sinning ways so that they can heal from the damage that has given them these strong urges to do sinful things and admit their sins and seek God's forgiveness . Then God will help them be strong enough to stop acting out those serious sins of the flesh.
Mar 11, 2019 14:11:39 #
There is no group of people I would use today as grand examples of goodness.
Promoting "homosexuality as a viable to be desired "normal" lifestyle with exclusive long term partners and legal rights is indeed a "Johnny come lately," as the common sense derived from the study and knowledge of God's Word of bygone eras, in which society, as a whole, understood, acknowledged and avoided sexual perversion has withered on the vine.
In the earliest recorded history of man, homosexual behavior was found to be common to those involved in alternate religions, who communed with demonic spirits from the occult, such as Shamans and Witch Doctors, who sought their own personal spiritual power, bypassing the one true Creator God.
In Biblical times, Israel had neighboring countries with many competing pagan religions whose religious rites included homosexual acts with their priests by which they were said to communicate with and win favors from their gods.
For those who follow Jesus, sexual practices are limited. This would preclude same-sex activity. Rather than take a kinder, gentler, i.e., "permissive" view of sexual immorality and divorce, Jesus affirmed that people are either to be single and celibate or married and faithful to one spouse of the opposite gender. Jesus considered any other expression of sexuality sinful.
Understanding the wheres and why fores of homosexual behavior is indeed complex, however our Lord God, whose understanding no one can question, has pretty well spelled it out in Romans 1st chapter.
Scripture is clear that believers are to have nothing to do with sexual immorality: “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body” (1 Corinthians 6:18). Sexual immorality, whether same-sex activity or otherwise, is a sin against a person’s own body.
It is important to note that sexual immorality, including same-sex activity, is listed alongside other sins in Scripture, indicating that God does not rank one sin as worse than another. While the consequences of some sins are greater than others, Scripture often simply lists sins side by side. For example, Jesus said, “Out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander” (Matthew 15:19–20; see also Romans 1:24–31).
Romans 1:22–31God's Wrath against Sin
God's Wrath against Sin
"Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools,
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity for the dishonoring of their bodies with one another.
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise! Amen.…
For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Furthermore, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, He gave them up to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents.
They are senseless, faithless, heartless, merciless.
Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them."
Romans 1:22-32 Berean Study Bible ·
All those that have not their name written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be sent to the Lake of Fire that is reserved for Satan only. We each makes the decision to enter the Lake or not. To avoid that, Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Promoting "homosexuality as a viable to be desired "normal" lifestyle with exclusive long term partners and legal rights is indeed a "Johnny come lately," as the common sense derived from the study and knowledge of God's Word of bygone eras, in which society, as a whole, understood, acknowledged and avoided sexual perversion has withered on the vine.
In the earliest recorded history of man, homosexual behavior was found to be common to those involved in alternate religions, who communed with demonic spirits from the occult, such as Shamans and Witch Doctors, who sought their own personal spiritual power, bypassing the one true Creator God.
In Biblical times, Israel had neighboring countries with many competing pagan religions whose religious rites included homosexual acts with their priests by which they were said to communicate with and win favors from their gods.
For those who follow Jesus, sexual practices are limited. This would preclude same-sex activity. Rather than take a kinder, gentler, i.e., "permissive" view of sexual immorality and divorce, Jesus affirmed that people are either to be single and celibate or married and faithful to one spouse of the opposite gender. Jesus considered any other expression of sexuality sinful.
Understanding the wheres and why fores of homosexual behavior is indeed complex, however our Lord God, whose understanding no one can question, has pretty well spelled it out in Romans 1st chapter.
Scripture is clear that believers are to have nothing to do with sexual immorality: “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body” (1 Corinthians 6:18). Sexual immorality, whether same-sex activity or otherwise, is a sin against a person’s own body.
It is important to note that sexual immorality, including same-sex activity, is listed alongside other sins in Scripture, indicating that God does not rank one sin as worse than another. While the consequences of some sins are greater than others, Scripture often simply lists sins side by side. For example, Jesus said, “Out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander” (Matthew 15:19–20; see also Romans 1:24–31).
Romans 1:22–31God's Wrath against Sin
God's Wrath against Sin
"Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools,
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity for the dishonoring of their bodies with one another.
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise! Amen.…
For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Furthermore, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, He gave them up to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents.
They are senseless, faithless, heartless, merciless.
Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them."
Romans 1:22-32 Berean Study Bible ·
All those that have not their name written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be sent to the Lake of Fire that is reserved for Satan only. We each makes the decision to enter the Lake or not. To avoid that, Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
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