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Mar 5, 2019 11:19:59   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The same can be said for alcohol...

In Canada we are experiencing a host of issues due to the legalization of marijuana...

The largest one in my opinion is that the majority of smokers (that I know) don't buy from legal suppliers... They find the quality to be to low...Dealers are still active and Cutting their marijuana with other drugs and chemicals... But how to determine where an individual gets their marijuana?


In Canada children can eat gummy bears infused with cannabis but one can't bring flavored cigars into the country because they're illegal as they're bad for children.

Go figure.

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Mar 5, 2019 12:43:03   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Just going to point out that the majority of medicine is poison...


Exactly right Canuckus. Pot helped my daughter immensely when she was going through cancer treatment, but, like anything else, habitual use is not a good thing. But for certain situations, I believe pot can be helpful. I wasn't a believer in medical pot until then.

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Mar 5, 2019 12:47:07   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
In Canada children can eat gummy bears infused with cannabis but one can't bring flavored cigars into the country because they're illegal as they're bad for children.

Go figure.


What? You mean, if I take my grandkids to Canada, I won't be able to bring their favorite cherry cigars with us? What about pipe tobacco? My oldest grandson is kind of a nerd, and smokes a pipe.

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Mar 5, 2019 13:00:09   #
Sew_What
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-illness-violence/
Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence
January 2019 • Volume 48, Number 1 • Alex Berenson

PART 1:
"The following is adapted from a speech delivered on January 15, 2019, at Hillsdale College’s Allan P. Kirby, Jr. Center for Constitutional Studies and Citizenship in Washington, D.C.
Seventy miles northwest of New York City is a hospital that looks like a prison, its drab brick buildings wrapped in layers of fencing and barbed wire. This grim facility is called the Mid-Hudson Forensic Psychiatric Institute. It’s one of three places the state of New York sends the criminally mentally ill—defendants judged not guilty by reason of insanity.

"Until recently, my wife Jackie­—Dr. Jacqueline Berenson—was a senior psychiatrist there. Many of Mid-Hudson’s 300 patients are k**lers and arsonists. At least one is a cannibal. Most have been diagnosed with psychotic disorders like schizophrenia that provoked them to violence against family members or strangers.

A couple of years ago, Jackie was telling me about a patient. In passing, she said something like, Of course he’d been smoking pot his whole life.

Of course? I said.
Yes, they all smoke.
So marijuana causes schizophrenia?

I was surprised, to say the least. I tended to be a libertarian on drugs. Years before, I’d covered the pharmaceutical industry for The New York Times. I was aware of the claims about marijuana as medicine, and I’d watched the slow spread of legalized cannabis without much interest.

Jackie would have been within her rights to say, I know what I’m talking about, unlike you. Instead she offered something neutral like, I think that’s what the big studies say. You should read them.
So I did. The big studies, the little ones, and all the rest. I read everything I could find. I talked to every psychiatrist and brain scientist who would talk to me. And I soon realized that in all my years as a journalist I had never seen a story where the gap between insider and outsider knowledge was so great, or the stakes so high.

I began to wonder why—with the stocks of cannabis companies soaring and politicians promoting legalization as a low-risk way to raise tax revenue and reduce crime—I had never heard the t***h about marijuana, mental illness, and violence.
***
Over the last 30 years, psychiatrists and epidemiologists have turned speculation about marijuana’s dangers into science. Yet over the same period, a shrewd and expensive lobbying campaign has pushed public attitudes about marijuana the other way. And the effects are now becoming apparent.
Almost everything you think you know about the health effects of cannabis, almost everything advocates and the media have told you for a generation, is wrong.

They’ve told you marijuana has many different medical uses. In reality marijuana and THC, its active ingredient, have been shown to work only in a few narrow conditions. They are most commonly prescribed for pain relief. But they are rarely tested against other pain relief drugs like ibuprofen—and in July, a large four-year study of patients with chronic pain in Australia showed cannabis use was associated with greater pain over time.

They’ve told you cannabis can stem opioid use—“Two new studies show how marijuana can help fight the opioid epidemic,” according to Wonkblog, a Washington Post website, in April 2018— and that marijuana’s effects as a paink**ler make it a potential substitute for opiates. In reality, like alcohol, marijuana is too weak as a paink**ler to work for most people who truly need opiates, such as terminal cancer patients. Even cannabis advocates, like Rob Kampia, the co-founder of the Marijuana Policy Project, acknowledge that they have always viewed medical marijuana laws primarily as a way to protect recreational users.

As for the marijuana-reduces-opiate-use theory, it is based largely on a single paper comparing overdose deaths by state before 2010 to the spread of medical marijuana laws— and the paper’s finding is probably a result of simple geographic coincidence. The opiate epidemic began in Appalachia, while the first states to legalize medical marijuana were in the West. Since 2010, as both the epidemic and medical marijuana laws have spread nationally, the finding has vanished. And the United States, the Western country with the most cannabis use, also has by far the worst problem with opioids.

Research on individual users—a better way to trace cause and effect than looking at aggregate state-level data—consistently shows that marijuana use leads to other drug use. For example, a January 2018 paper in the American Journal of Psychiatry showed that people who used cannabis in 2001 were almost three times as likely to use opiates three years later, even after adjusting for other potential risks.

Most of all, advocates have told you that marijuana is not just safe for people with psychiatric problems like depression, but that it is a potential treatment for those patients. On its website, the cannabis delivery service Eaze offers the “Best Marijuana Strains and Products for Treating Anxiety.” “How Does Cannabis Help Depression?” is the topic of an article on Leafly, the largest cannabis website. But a mountain of peer-reviewed research in top medical journals shows that marijuana can cause or worsen severe mental illness, especially psychosis, the medical term for a break from reality. Teenagers who smoke marijuana regularly are about three times as likely to develop schizophrenia, the most devastating psychotic disorder.

After an exhaustive review, the National Academy of Medicine found in 2017 that “cannabis use is likely to increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and other psychoses; the higher the use, the greater the risk.” Also that “regular cannabis use is likely to increase the risk for developing social anxiety disorder.”
***
Over the past decade, as legalization has spread, patterns of marijuana use—and the drug itself—have changed in dangerous ways.

Legalization has not led to a huge increase in people using the drug casually. About 15 percent of Americans used cannabis at least once in 2017, up from ten percent in 2006, according to a large federal study called the National Survey on Drug Use and Health. (By contrast, about 65 percent of Americans had a drink in the last year.) But the number of Americans who use cannabis heavily is soaring. In 2006, about three million Americans reported using cannabis at least 300 times a year, the standard for daily use. By 2017, that number had nearly tripled, to eight million, approaching the twelve million Americans who drank alcohol every day. Put another way, one in 15 drinkers consumed alcohol daily; about one in five marijuana users used cannabis that often.

Cannabis users today are also consuming a drug that is far more potent than ever before, as measured by the amount of THC—delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the chemical in cannabis responsible for its psychoactive effects—it contains. In the 1970s, the last time this many Americans used cannabis, most marijuana contained less than two percent THC. Today, marijuana routinely contains 20 to 25 percent THC, thanks to sophisticated farming and cloning techniques—as well as to a demand by users for cannabis that produces a stronger high more quickly. In states where cannabis is legal, many users prefer extracts that are nearly pure THC. Think of the difference between near-beer and a martini, or even grain alcohol, to understand the difference.

These new patterns of use have caused problems with the drug to soar. In 2014, people who had diagnosable cannabis use disorder, the medical term for marijuana abuse or addiction, made up about 1.5 percent of Americans. But they accounted for eleven percent of all the psychosis cases in emergency rooms—90,000 cases, 250 a day, triple the number in 2006. In states like Colorado, emergency room physicians have become experts on dealing with cannabis-induced psychosis.

Cannabis advocates often argue that the drug can’t be as neurotoxic as studies suggest, because otherwise Western countries would have seen population-wide increases in psychosis alongside rising use. In reality, accurately tracking psychosis cases is impossible in the United States. The government carefully tracks diseases like cancer with central registries, but no such registry exists for schizophrenia or other severe mental illnesses.

On the other hand, research from Finland and Denmark, two countries that track mental illness more comprehensively, shows a significant increase in psychosis since 2000, following an increase in cannabis use. And in September of last year, a large federal survey found a rise in serious mental illness in the United States as well, especially among young adults, the heaviest users of cannabis.

According to this latter study, 7.5 percent of adults age 18-25 met the criteria for serious mental illness in 2017, double the rate in 2008. What’s especially striking is that adolescents age 12-17 don’t show these increases in cannabis use and severe mental illness...."
continued in PART 2
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-il... (show quote)


Please provide a study from the CDC to make your point, but I'll save you the trouble...it doesn't exist.

Correlation is not causation.

100 million Americans drink alcohol, but only 33 million of them are alcoholics or recovering alcoholics.

Not to be a complete jackass, it is hardly worth the risk, because of no studies, to give anyone a defacto pass on eschewing use, but please don't pretend to believe that there is any t***h correlating use to mental illness. It just doesn't help, that's for sure.

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Mar 5, 2019 13:26:39   #
Rose42
 
archie bunker wrote:
What? You mean, if I take my grandkids to Canada, I won't be able to bring their favorite cherry cigars with us? What about pipe tobacco? My oldest grandson is kind of a nerd, and smokes a pipe.


That's right but they can get high!

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Mar 5, 2019 19:47:47   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
In Canada children can eat gummy bears infused with cannabis but one can't bring flavored cigars into the country because they're illegal as they're bad for children.

Go figure.


It is illegal for children to consume cannabis products... Who told you this?

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Mar 5, 2019 19:48:56   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
archie bunker wrote:
What? You mean, if I take my grandkids to Canada, I won't be able to bring their favorite cherry cigars with us? What about pipe tobacco? My oldest grandson is kind of a nerd, and smokes a pipe.


Hey... I used to smoke a pipe...
It was dignified...
You can buy your own cherry flavored cigars in Canada

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Mar 5, 2019 20:19:00   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It is illegal for children to consume cannabis products... Who told you this?


Its illegal for them to smoke it too but they do. You can buy them online. I don’t think they’re sold over the counter- yet.

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Mar 5, 2019 20:26:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
Its illegal for them to smoke it too but they do. You can buy them online. I don’t think they’re sold over the counter- yet.


Ok... Got it...
Yes... Children may steal their parent's marijuana products...
It's not legal for them to do it...
You can purchase the gummybears at most legal stores...
My mother tried it once for migraines...
H**ed it... Had a very bad reaction to it...

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Mar 5, 2019 20:29:47   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
debeda wrote:
Lolololololololhahahahahaha



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Mar 5, 2019 20:31:39   #
woodguru
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The same can be said for alcohol...

In Canada we are experiencing a host of issues due to the legalization of marijuana...

The largest one in my opinion is that the majority of smokers (that I know) don't buy from legal suppliers... They find the quality to be to low...Dealers are still active and Cutting their marijuana with other drugs and chemicals... But how to determine where an individual gets their marijuana?


You know the wrong people dude, the people I know grow pot that bumps 30% THC, this will hurt people who aren't used to it. It needs no supplemental anything. Friggin Canucks...

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Mar 5, 2019 20:32:28   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ok... Got it...
Yes... Children may steal their parent's marijuana products...
It's not legal for them to do it...
You can purchase the gummybears at most legal stores...
My mother tried it once for migraines...
H**ed it... Had a very bad reaction to it...


I didn’t know they were already sold over the counter. Crazy.

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Mar 5, 2019 20:32:47   #
woodguru
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ok... Got it...
Yes... Children may steal their parent's marijuana products...
It's not legal for them to do it...
You can purchase the gummybears at most legal stores...
My mother tried it once for migraines...
H**ed it... Had a very bad reaction to it...


edibles make me sicker than a dog, an extremely messed up dog that throws up for hours.

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Mar 5, 2019 20:34:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
woodguru wrote:
You know the wrong people dude, the people I know grow pot that bumps 30% THC, this will hurt people who aren't used to it. It needs no supplemental anything. Friggin Canucks...


I don't use the stuff...
Tried it as a teenager...
Didn't enjoy it...

Government standards and private standards are not the same...

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Mar 5, 2019 20:36:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
I didn’t know they were already sold over the counter. Crazy.


It doesn't bother me..

Tax it and moniter it...

People will use it anyways... Let them buy it from legal businesses...

No worse than alcohol... in my opinion...

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