fullspinzoo

Why is the Left will look up to these guys who just lie about anything. You have PT Boat Kerry giving us a long song and dance, Dick Blumenthal and his remarkable stint in the Vietnam War, Hillary come under fire in Bosnia. I guess they're just used to lying about anything and everything and after awhile it comes natural. https://www.libertybugle.com/trump-trolls-da-nang-dick-blumenthal-i-have-now-spent-more-time-in-vietnam/

eden

Perhaps while Trump is in Hanoi he could visit La Maison, the so called “Hanoi Hilton” where John McCain languished for years, starved and ill treated in the service of his country while private bone spurs stayed stateside dodging STD’s while serially bed-hopping his way through the jungles of Manhattan.
I won’t hold my breath.

fullspinzoo

Who cares?????

eden

Amusing you call out the lies of others while ignoring the Whoppers-in-Chief. 😁

fullspinzoo

Show us some. And while you're at it, explain in detail all the promises he "hasn't kept", where the Left hasn't caused major obstruction. You bloviate enough about them, you and your left wing buddies, but I never see you list five of them or any amount for that matter. One of your left-wing nutcases was telling us all how the market was starting to tank. In fact, he called me out specifically right around the first of the year. Of course, I told him he was panicking prematurely. Since then a total of 42 trading days, the market is up 11.4%. You couldn't find a move like that if your life depended on it. Of course this i***t is in total denial. Who cares? Trump's doing a better than fine job. Even Obama is trying desperately to take credit for it. What a joke! That's what is hilarious. You guys are in complete denial and Obama is trying to take credit for it. Can't have it both ways. BTW, please thank your imbecilic Senators who v**ed against Sen. Sasse's "born alive a******n protection act". Being against anti-infanticide legislation is political suicide IMO. We'll see.

eden

Ok just one because it’s late...

“I’m gonna build a beautiful wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it, believe you me”

And on the other stuff...yes, we will see.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Is John Kerry a war hero or a medal-grabbing phony? By Nicholas Kristoff

(Note: Kerry was involved with Swift boats, not PT boats. Confusing him with JFK )

Each time that I've written about President Bush's dalliance with the National Guard, conservative readers have urged me to scrutinize the accusations against Mr. Kerry. After doing so over the last week, here's where I come out:

Did Mr. Kerry volunteer for dangerous duty? Not as much as his campaign would like you to believe. The Kerry Web site declares, "As he was graduating from Yale, John Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam -- because, as he later said, 'It was the right thing to do."'

In fact, as Mr. Kerry was about to graduate from Yale, he was inquiring about getting an educational deferment to study in Europe. When that got nowhere, he volunteered for the Navy, which was much less likely to involve danger in Vietnam than other services. After a year on a ship in the ocean, Mr. Kerry volunteered for Swift boats, but at that time they were used only in Vietnam's coastal waters. A short time later, the Swift boats were assigned exceptionally dangerous duties up Vietnamese rivers. "When I signed up for the Swift boats, they had very little to do with the war," Mr. Kerry wrote in 1986, adding, "I didn't really want to get involved in the war."

Did Mr. Kerry get his first Purple Heart for a self-inflicted wound? That's the accusation of the Swift Boat Veterans for T***h, who say that the injury came (unintentionally) from a grenade that Mr. Kerry himself fired at Viet Cong. In fact, nobody knows where the shrapnel came from, and it's possible that the critics are right. It's not certain that the Viet Cong were returning fire. But the only other American on the boat in a position to see anything, Bill Zaldonis (who says he v**ed for Mr. Bush in 2000), told me, "He was hurt, and I don't think it was self-inflicted."

Did Mr. Kerry deserve his second and third Purple Hearts? There's not much dispute that the second was merited. As for the third one, the Swift Boat Veterans' claim that he received it for a minor injury he got while blowing up food supplies to keep them from the enemy. But documents and witness accounts show that he received a shrapnel wound when South Vietnamese troops blew up rice stores, and an injured arm in a mine explosion later that day.

Did Mr. Kerry deserve his Bronze Star? Yes. The Swift Boat Veterans claim that he was not facing enemy fire when he rescued a Green Beret, Jim Rassmann, but that is contradicted by those were there, like William Rood and Mr. Rassmann (a Republican). In fact, Mr. Rassmann recommended Mr. Kerry for a Silver Star.

Did Mr. Kerry deserve his Silver Star? Absolutely. He earned it for responding to two separate ambushes in a courageous and unorthodox way, by heading straight into the gunfire. Then he pursued one armed fighter into the jungle and shot him dead. According to Fred Short, a machine gunner who saw the event, the fighter was an adult (not the half-naked teenager cited by the Swift Boat Veterans) who was preparing to launch a grenade at the boat. "Kerry went into harm's way to save the lives of the guys on the boat," Mr. Short told me. "If he hadn't done that, I am absolutely positive I would not be here today." Mr. Kerry's commander said he had wanted to give him an even higher honor, the Navy Cross, but thought it would take too long to process.

Did Mr. Kerry exaggerate his exploits? Yes. For example, he has often said over the years that he spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia as part of the secret war there. Others who served with him confirm that on Christmas Eve 1968 (not Christmas Day) he got very close to the border, and possibly even strayed across it. But it doesn't seem to have been, as Mr. Kerry has suggested, a deliberate incursion into Cambodia.

What do those who served with him say? Some who served on other boats have called Mr. Kerry a hypochondriac self-promoter. But every enlisted man who was with Mr. Kerry on various boats when he won Purple Hearts and Silver and Bronze Stars says he deserved them. All praise his courage and back his candidacy. "I was there for two of the Purple Hearts and the Bronze and Silver Stars, and he earned every one of them," said Delbert Sandusky, in a typical comment. "He saved our lives."

The bottom line? Mr. Kerry has stretched the t***h here and there, but earned his decorations. And the Swift Boat Veterans, contradicted by official records and virtually everyone who witnessed the incidents, are engaging in one of the ugliest smears in modern U.S. politics.

There is no defense of Blumenthal or Hillary Clinton's claims.

fullspinzoo

BTW, Mexico is paying for it in a backhanded way. At worst, that was maybe right up there with "You can keep your Dr., you can your insured, and the price will be much lower, along with the other 16 lies he used to sell the Obamanation of healthcare that is barely on life support. That's it that's all you got. Just one that doesn't even reach the criteria for a fabrication and I told you about obstruction from your insane side of the aisle. We will finish the wall, guaranteed. So scratch that one. You make it sound like there are thousands and you come up with one. Piss poor attempt, not that expected anything more.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Apparently, Mr. Trump did not care.

Forgive me, any who are already familiar with this, but my feelings for Vets (especially 'Nam Vets) run deep. The below article & following commentary may help explain a major source of my distaste for Donald Trump. I doubt my lack of regard for him will ever change, though I regret that it often creates a schism between myself and others. For more on the following....

Internet search: 'donaldtrumpspersonalvietnam '

In 1997, Donald Trump, who showed his personal courage by dodging the draft in the 1960’s, had the gall to compare his heroism by sleeping with multiple women to the heroism shown by the brave men and women who served the United States in Vietnam.

Interviewed by Howard Stern in 1997-98, Trump had the audacity to make the incredible claim that, by risking his schlong to venereal disease from his sexual peccadilloes, his courage matched those who gave their lives facing mortar fire and bullets across the sea. Speaking of his sexual exploits, Trump bragged, “I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world. It is a dangerous world out there. It’s scary, like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam-era. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier”...Donald Trump, likening his risk of STDs from sleeping around to American soldiers in Vietnam. In one interview, he went so far as to suggest that his exploits were worthy of the Congressional Medal of Honor.

Trump has a history of hyperbolic statements regarding his own courage, having likened his time in military boarding school to actual military training. He told the author of a book about Trump that his time in military school gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military.” The rich man protected himself by gaining multiple deferments to avoid being drafted while others fought overseas.

Trump likening himself to genuine heroes dovetails with his “genuine” regard for veterans in general; Trump’s respect ends when it endangers his business. In 1991, he wrote a letter to John Dearie, then-chairman of the state Assembly’s Committee on Cities, decrying the presence of veterans who were peddling on Fifth Avenue. Trump wrote: “While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses? Do we allow Fifth Ave., one of the world’s finest and most luxurious shopping districts, to be turned into an outdoor flea market, clogging and seriously downgrading the area?” The city of New York started making peddling exceptions for veterans in 1894 so disabled Civil War veterans could make a living.

Of course, this is also the same man of courage who said of Sen. John McCain, locked in a box for five years in Vietnam rather than desert his comrades-in-arms, “He’s not a war hero. I like people that weren’t captured, OK?”

Trump comparing his risk of venereal disease to the heroism of those who fought and died for their country is enough to turn your stomach.
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Feeling comments were due about Donald Trumps' interview on the Howard Stern Show about twenty years ago, I wrote the following:

In the field, particularly, but also on the hospital ship USS Sanctuary in 1968, I saw kids my age whose bodies were ripped apart by gunfire from rifles or automatic weapons, artillery rounds, mortar rounds and booby traps from the enemy in Viet Nam. My lesser wounds allowed me times to walk through the wards visiting those who were left without arms, legs, g*****ls or had suffered damage to various body parts...including their facial structure and features. Many had also lost all sense of who they were before incurring such wounds, from psychological and emotional damage. A kid younger than I from a bed near mine ended up dying. IMO, he died of a broken heart. The day before, he had received a 'Dear John' letter from his fiancee' back home. That letter (again, IMO) destroyed his will to live. This, after he had struggled mightily to achieve a certain degree of recovery, enough for having been scheduled to go on to Japan for better treatment and surgery necessary to guarantee a somewhat normal life.

For Trump, in any way, to compare the 'dangers' of dating from STDs, etc. to the experiences of young men who sacrificed their lives or body parts in combat service to their country in Viet Nam or any war was/is abominable to me. When I first became aware of his comments, I was livid with anger. This many years later, I am reminded of his callousness and obvious disregard for the feelings of friends or families who lost loved ones in that or any war shown by Mr. Trump. Whether one chooses to call his tone 'mocking', 'sarcastic', or just down-right thoughtless, I cannot forgive him. Neither could I tolerate his belittling of John McCain's service or the associated belittling of all POWs for 'getting captured.' I won't listen to anyone who tells me he didn't demean all of them with his all-encompassing remarks. I watched while listening to his own words. I personally know two living POWs and knew a survivor of the Bataan death march of American POWs in WWII. The last died a number of years ago, but the other two survived tortuous treatment by their captors and remain with us today. By surviving, they each were able to return and have families that, no doubt, help each forget the months and years of their imprisonments.

Trump's statements exceeded stupid, especially since he was playing to an audience and being recorded, both for radio and TV...and, for posterity. He was, at that time, around the age of fifty...an age most would have shown some maturity and empathy for those who did not have his good fortune in escaping service before, during and after college, but instead served their nation. Again, the families and friends of those who either didn't return from that horrific war, or, returned physically and/or psychologically maimed did/do not need to be hearing of Mr. Trump's bravery and courage in the dating game being equated to other's service to country.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

[quote=fullspinzoo]Show us some.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, can be said or written to convince zealots from either side of the ideological or political persuasion of facts they absolutely refuse to believe. One may as well attempt to pi** on a raging forest fire to put it out.

You, sir, are such a zealot.

eden

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eden