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Feb 27, 2019 06:03:21   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
With so many Democrats now identifying themselves as “Socialists,” and
so much public uncertainty as to what this concept means, I thought it
might be useful to turn to the words of one of the best-known
socialists for clarification.

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic
system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair
salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to
wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we
are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

– Adolf Hitler (speech from 1927)
Head of National Socialist German Workers Party

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/what-is-socialism-2/


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Feb 27, 2019 06:11:27   #
Kevyn
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
With so many Democrats now identifying themselves as “Socialists,” and
so much public uncertainty as to what this concept means, I thought it
might be useful to turn to the words of one of the best-known
socialists for clarification.

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic
system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair
salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to
wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we
are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

– Adolf Hitler (speech from 1927)
Head of National Socialist German Workers Party

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/what-is-socialism-2/

With so many Democrats now identifying themselves ... (show quote)
So many? We have one in the senate who is an independent who v**es with the democrats and one in the house. Neither is a socialist they are democratic socialists and there is a significant difference as can be seen by comparing democratic socialist states like Sweden with socialist states like Cuba. Hitlers Germany was neither.

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Feb 27, 2019 06:34:33   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Kevyn wrote:
So many? We have one in the senate who is an independent who v**es with the democrats and one in the house. Neither is a socialist they are democratic socialists and there is a significant difference as can be seen by comparing democratic socialist states like Sweden with socialist states like Cuba. Hitlers Germany was neither.



Par usuale Kevyn, you are wrong. Define democratic socialism and show us the difference. You can do neither.

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Feb 27, 2019 08:01:50   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Kevyn wrote:
So many? We have one in the senate who is an independent who v**es with the democrats and one in the house. Neither is a socialist they are democratic socialists and there is a significant difference as can be seen by comparing democratic socialist states like Sweden with socialist states like Cuba. Hitlers Germany was neither.



Oh & BTW Kevyn, there is no such thing as democratic socialism. There is nothing democratic about you and your comrades v****g to wrest my resources & earnings from my control and dispensing them as you see fit, whether it's done for education. health care or imperialistic wars.

And in case you haven't noticed, which you may have but will never acknowledge, all socialist systems eventually become tyrannical.

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Feb 27, 2019 08:15:07   #
MarvinSussman
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
With so many Democrats now identifying themselves as “Socialists,” and
so much public uncertainty as to what this concept means, I thought it
might be useful to turn to the words of one of the best-known
socialists for clarification.

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic
system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair
salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to
wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we
are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

– Adolf Hitler (speech from 1927)
Head of National Socialist German Workers Party

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/what-is-socialism-2/

With so many Democrats now identifying themselves ... (show quote)


Hitler was trying to steal v**es from the C*******ts. Once in power, he was hand-in-glove with Krupp and Thyssen, complete with s***e labor.

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Feb 27, 2019 08:44:52   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Oh & BTW Kevyn, there is no such thing as democratic socialism. There is nothing democratic about you and your comrades v****g to wrest my resources & earnings from my control and dispensing them as you see fit, whether it's done for education. health care or imperialistic wars.

And in case you haven't noticed, which you may have but will never acknowledge, all socialist systems eventually become tyrannical.


You are absolutely correct but the "progressives" know that and will not acknowledge the t***h because it will end their careers.

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Feb 27, 2019 08:53:39   #
Kevyn
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Oh & BTW Kevyn, there is no such thing as democratic socialism. There is nothing democratic about you and your comrades v****g to wrest my resources & earnings from my control and dispensing them as you see fit, whether it's done for education. health care or imperialistic wars.

And in case you haven't noticed, which you may have but will never acknowledge, all socialist systems eventually become tyrannical.
Sure pal, those poor oppressed folks in the Nordic nations are suffering miserably under the Democratic socialism you say dosnt exist.

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Feb 27, 2019 09:38:00   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
With so many Democrats now identifying themselves as “Socialists,” and
so much public uncertainty as to what this concept means, I thought it
might be useful to turn to the words of one of the best-known
socialists for clarification.

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic
system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair
salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to
wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we
are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

– Adolf Hitler (speech from 1927)
Head of National Socialist German Workers Party

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/what-is-socialism-2/

With so many Democrats now identifying themselves ... (show quote)


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/lew-rockwell/

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History
Llewellyn Harrison “Lew” Rockwell, Jr. is an anarcho-capitalist writer, activist, and founder and former president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Lewrockwell.com was founded in 1999 with the mission to carry on the anti-war, anti-state, pro-market work of Murray N. Rothbard.
Funded by / Ownership
The website is founded and owned by Lew Rockwell. LewRockwell.com is funded through donations and web advertising.
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Lew Rockwell is a website that promotes conspiracies, p***********e and fringe economic theories. Lew Rockwell uses minimal loaded words in their headlines and articles, but they typically source to far right or questionable sources such as Brietbart, Zerohedge and the #1 purveyor of p***********e Joseph Mercola. Some of the topics you will find on the website are those related to anti-v******tion propaganda, Mind Control, False F**gs, and anti-immigration articles from other questionable sources. Further, the Lew Rockwell website has been placed on the H**ewatch list by the Southern Poverty Law Center. A factual search also reveals that Lew Rockwell has a very poor track record with fact checkers. For more information I recommend, RationalWiki who has done a fantastic job of putting all of it together.
Overall, we rate Lew Rockwell Questionable based on Extreme Right Bias, promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories and p***********e. (7/19/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 6/13/2018)
Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/



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Feb 27, 2019 16:17:47   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Par usuale Kevyn, you are wrong. Define democratic socialism and show us the difference. You can do neither.




Crazy,,, a little bit of this may help you...

https://www.businessinsider.com/difference-between-socialist-and-democratic-socialist-2018-6

Democratic socialists are committed to democracy
Democratic socialists also believe strongly in democracy and democratic principles. They are by no means proponents of authoritarian government systems many Americans associate socialism with.

As the DSA's website states: "At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people."

To put it another way, they don't feel socialism should be forced on people, but they are fundamentally anti-capitalist and believe the government should urge privately owned businesses toward granting workers as much control as possible.

Read more: This is the platform that launched Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 29-year-old democratic socialist, to become the youngest woman ever elected to Congress

The DSA and Democratic socialists like Ocasio-Cortez place a great deal of emphasis on social justice in conjunction with pushing for an economy that's largely controlled by workers.

The DSA supports reforms that would decrease the influence of money in politics, empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy, and restructure g****r and cultural relationships to be more equitable, according to its website.

To put this into context, Ocasio-Cortez's platform calls for an end to the war on drugs, the demilitarization of police departments, and the abolishment of for-profit prisons.

Here's how Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-declared Democratic socialist, defined it in a 2006 interview: "I think [democratic socialism] means the government has got to play a very important role in making sure that as a right of citizenship all of our people have healthcare; that as a right, all of our kids, regardless of income, have quality childcare, are able to go to college without going deeply into debt; that it means we do not allow large corporations and moneyed interests to destroy our environment; that we create a government in which it is not dominated by big money interest."

"I mean, to me, it means democracy, frankly," Sanders added. "That's all it means."

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Feb 27, 2019 17:53:07   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
permafrost wrote:
Crazy,,, a little bit of this may help you...

https://www.businessinsider.com/difference-between-socialist-and-democratic-socialist-2018-6

Democratic socialists are committed to democracy
Democratic socialists also believe strongly in democracy and democratic principles. They are by no means proponents of authoritarian government systems many Americans associate socialism with.

As the DSA's website states: "At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people."

To put it another way, they don't feel socialism should be forced on people, but they are fundamentally anti-capitalist and believe the government should urge privately owned businesses toward granting workers as much control as possible.

Read more: This is the platform that launched Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 29-year-old democratic socialist, to become the youngest woman ever elected to Congress

The DSA and Democratic socialists like Ocasio-Cortez place a great deal of emphasis on social justice in conjunction with pushing for an economy that's largely controlled by workers.

The DSA supports reforms that would decrease the influence of money in politics, empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy, and restructure g****r and cultural relationships to be more equitable, according to its website.

To put this into context, Ocasio-Cortez's platform calls for an end to the war on drugs, the demilitarization of police departments, and the abolishment of for-profit prisons.

Here's how Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-declared Democratic socialist, defined it in a 2006 interview: "I think [democratic socialism] means the government has got to play a very important role in making sure that as a right of citizenship all of our people have healthcare; that as a right, all of our kids, regardless of income, have quality childcare, are able to go to college without going deeply into debt; that it means we do not allow large corporations and moneyed interests to destroy our environment; that we create a government in which it is not dominated by big money interest."

"I mean, to me, it means democracy, frankly," Sanders added. "That's all it means."
Crazy,,, a little bit of this may help you... br ... (show quote)




If you believe that, you might be interested in a bridge I have for sale. It spans the East River in New York Rent control was imposed int he late 1940s a temporary solution to runaway rental costs. Rent controls are still in effect and the average rent in NYC have sky rocketed int he interim.

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Feb 28, 2019 08:54:33   #
TrueAmerican
 
Kevyn wrote:
So many? We have one in the senate who is an independent who v**es with the democrats and one in the house. Neither is a socialist they are democratic socialists and there is a significant difference as can be seen by comparing democratic socialist states like Sweden with socialist states like Cuba. Hitlers Germany was neither.



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Feb 28, 2019 19:09:01   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/lew-rockwell/

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of t***sparency and/or is f**e news. F**e News is the deliberate attempt to publish h**xes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered f**e news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.
Overall, we rate Lew Rockwell Questionable based on Extreme Right Bias, promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories and p***********e.

Detailed Report
Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, P***********e
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180
History
Llewellyn Harrison “Lew” Rockwell, Jr. is an anarcho-capitalist writer, activist, and founder and former president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Lewrockwell.com was founded in 1999 with the mission to carry on the anti-war, anti-state, pro-market work of Murray N. Rothbard.
Funded by / Ownership
The website is founded and owned by Lew Rockwell. LewRockwell.com is funded through donations and web advertising.
Analysis / Bias
Lew Rockwell is a website that promotes conspiracies, p***********e and fringe economic theories. Lew Rockwell uses minimal loaded words in their headlines and articles, but they typically source to far right or questionable sources such as Brietbart, Zerohedge and the #1 purveyor of p***********e Joseph Mercola. Some of the topics you will find on the website are those related to anti-v******tion propaganda, Mind Control, False F**gs, and anti-immigration articles from other questionable sources. Further, the Lew Rockwell website has been placed on the H**ewatch list by the Southern Poverty Law Center. A factual search also reveals that Lew Rockwell has a very poor track record with fact checkers. For more information I recommend, RationalWiki who has done a fantastic job of putting all of it together.
Overall, we rate Lew Rockwell Questionable based on Extreme Right Bias, promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories and p***********e. (7/19/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 6/13/2018)
Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/lew-rockwell/ br b... (show quote)



The quote is fairly well known. Lew Rockwell is far more reliable than the Southern Poverty Law Center.

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Feb 28, 2019 19:13:58   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
permafrost wrote:
Crazy,,, a little bit of this may help you...

https://www.businessinsider.com/difference-between-socialist-and-democratic-socialist-2018-6

Democratic socialists are committed to democracy
Democratic socialists also believe strongly in democracy and democratic principles. They are by no means proponents of authoritarian government systems many Americans associate socialism with.

As the DSA's website states: "At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people."

To put it another way, they don't feel socialism should be forced on people, but they are fundamentally anti-capitalist and believe the government should urge privately owned businesses toward granting workers as much control as possible.

Read more: This is the platform that launched Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 29-year-old democratic socialist, to become the youngest woman ever elected to Congress

The DSA and Democratic socialists like Ocasio-Cortez place a great deal of emphasis on social justice in conjunction with pushing for an economy that's largely controlled by workers.

The DSA supports reforms that would decrease the influence of money in politics, empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy, and restructure g****r and cultural relationships to be more equitable, according to its website.

To put this into context, Ocasio-Cortez's platform calls for an end to the war on drugs, the demilitarization of police departments, and the abolishment of for-profit prisons.

Here's how Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-declared Democratic socialist, defined it in a 2006 interview: "I think [democratic socialism] means the government has got to play a very important role in making sure that as a right of citizenship all of our people have healthcare; that as a right, all of our kids, regardless of income, have quality childcare, are able to go to college without going deeply into debt; that it means we do not allow large corporations and moneyed interests to destroy our environment; that we create a government in which it is not dominated by big money interest."

"I mean, to me, it means democracy, frankly," Sanders added. "That's all it means."
Crazy,,, a little bit of this may help you... br ... (show quote)




There is no such thing a democratic socialism. It tolerates no competing systems. No one is permitted to opt out. Within free societies, it is entirely permissible to have a socialist entity. Monasteries have existed within free societies since the fifth century. National Socialist Germany permitted no free societies, nor did the USSR, China today, Cuba, etc. Am I permitted to opt out of supporting the New Deal, Great Society, etc?

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Feb 28, 2019 19:40:42   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
The quote is fairly well known. Lew Rockwell is far more reliable than the Southern Poverty Law Center.



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Feb 28, 2019 20:19:05   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Bad Bob wrote:


What did you do? Look inside your underpants?

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