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Feb 26, 2019 20:46:53   #
rumitoid
 
Donald Trump Jr., son of President Donald Trump, on Monday claimed that special counsel Robert Mueller has found “no actual crimes” in his investigation of the 2016 e******n.

Trump’s son said in a Fox News interview that the guilty pleas in the investigation are the result of “incredible pressure” on “regular guys.” He implied that Mueller’s team tricked them and “got them to slip up and say something incorrectly.”

And because these “regular guys” can’t afford the hefty legal fees to challenge Mueller, they pleaded guilty.

“That’s all that happened,” Trump said. “There are no actual crimes.”

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Feb 26, 2019 21:33:06   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
rumitoid wrote:
Donald Trump Jr., son of President Donald Trump, on Monday claimed that special counsel Robert Mueller has found “no actual crimes” in his investigation of the 2016 e******n.

Trump’s son said in a Fox News interview that the guilty pleas in the investigation are the result of “incredible pressure” on “regular guys.” He implied that Mueller’s team tricked them and “got them to slip up and say something incorrectly.”

And because these “regular guys” can’t afford the hefty legal fees to challenge Mueller, they pleaded guilty.

“That’s all that happened,” Trump said. “There are no actual crimes.”
Donald Trump Jr., son of President Donald Trump, o... (show quote)


And I agree 100%%%%%%%%

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Feb 26, 2019 21:34:51   #
Liberty Tree
 
kankune wrote:
And I agree 100%%%%%%%%


That is the way it works at times.

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Feb 26, 2019 21:36:13   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
Donald Trump Jr., son of President Donald Trump, on Monday claimed that special counsel Robert Mueller has found “no actual crimes” in his investigation of the 2016 e******n.

Trump’s son said in a Fox News interview that the guilty pleas in the investigation are the result of “incredible pressure” on “regular guys.” He implied that Mueller’s team tricked them and “got them to slip up and say something incorrectly.”

And because these “regular guys” can’t afford the hefty legal fees to challenge Mueller, they pleaded guilty.

“That’s all that happened,” Trump said. “There are no actual crimes.”
Donald Trump Jr., son of President Donald Trump, o... (show quote)


If I were President, my kids, brothers, sister, mom, dead grandparents, dogs, horse, and goldfish, as well as anyone I have ever spoken to would be criminals.
Because I'm not a democrat.

That is the world we live in.

It's pathetic.

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Feb 26, 2019 22:01:52   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
rumitoid wrote:
Donald Trump Jr., son of President Donald Trump, on Monday claimed that special counsel Robert Mueller has found “no actual crimes” in his investigation of the 2016 e******n.

Trump’s son said in a Fox News interview that the guilty pleas in the investigation are the result of “incredible pressure” on “regular guys.” He implied that Mueller’s team tricked them and “got them to slip up and say something incorrectly.”

And because these “regular guys” can’t afford the hefty legal fees to challenge Mueller, they pleaded guilty.

“That’s all that happened,” Trump said. “There are no actual crimes.”
Donald Trump Jr., son of President Donald Trump, o... (show quote)




Mueller has a well known history of framing innocent people.

His boyfriend Andrew Weissmann has a storied history of being unethical too.

If someone who considers themself, not ignorant, they have this t***hful knowledge already.

Weissmann is a low life scumbag who has had his convictions overturned for hiding evidence.

Mueller and Weissmann enjoy a cloak of protection from debased and filthy warriors of injustice.

Mueller framed gangsters for murder and millions had to be paid in retribution.

He covered for whitey bulger and his winter hill gang.

Like I stated, if a person doesn't know this already, they don't know squat.

What my post is, is t***h, look it up yourself as I don't hold someone by the pecker and tickle their ears.

In this age of debauchery is good and justice is evil, Mueller is your man.

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Feb 26, 2019 23:13:30   #
rumitoid
 
kankune wrote:
And I agree 100%%%%%%%%


So you agree that about sums up to you the indictments and guilty pleas of those below, just "regular guys" and "no actual crimes," all smart and accomplished men in their fields with a lot to lose just tricked "to slip up and say something incorrectly”?
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.
2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them).
3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

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Feb 26, 2019 23:15:02   #
rumitoid
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
That is the way it works at times.


So this is how it worked this time. To you, that about sums up the indictments and guilty pleas of those below, just "regular guys" and "no actual crimes," all smart and accomplished men in their fields with a lot to lose just tricked "to slip up and say something incorrectly”?
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.
2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them).
3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

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Feb 26, 2019 23:16:09   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
If I were President, my kids, brothers, sister, mom, dead grandparents, dogs, horse, and goldfish, as well as anyone I have ever spoken to would be criminals.
Because I'm not a democrat.

That is the world we live in.

It's pathetic.


Does that about sum up to you the indictments and guilty pleas of those below, just "regular guys" and "no actual crimes," all smart and accomplished men in their fields with a lot to lose just tricked "to slip up and say something incorrectly”?
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.
2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them).
3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

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Feb 26, 2019 23:17:09   #
rumitoid
 
byronglimish wrote:
Mueller has a well known history of framing innocent people.

His boyfriend Andrew Weissmann has a storied history of being unethical too.

If someone who considers themself, not ignorant, they have this t***hful knowledge already.

Weissmann is a low life scumbag who has had his convictions overturned for hiding evidence.

Mueller and Weissmann enjoy a cloak of protection from debased and filthy warriors of injustice.

Mueller framed gangsters for murder and millions had to be paid in retribution.

He covered for whitey bulger and his winter hill gang.

Like I stated, if a person doesn't know this already, they don't know squat.

What my post is, is t***h, look it up yourself as I don't hold someone by the pecker and tickle their ears.

In this age of debauchery is good and justice is evil, Mueller is your man.
Mueller has a well known history of framing innoce... (show quote)


Does that about sum up to you the indictments and guilty pleas of those below, just "regular guys" and "no actual crimes," all smart and accomplished men in their fields with a lot to lose just tricked "to slip up and say something incorrectly”?
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.
2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them).
3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

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Feb 26, 2019 23:18:11   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
byronglimish wrote:
Mueller has a well known history of framing innocent people.

His boyfriend Andrew Weissmann has a storied history of being unethical too.

If someone who considers themself, not ignorant, they have this t***hful knowledge already.

Weissmann is a low life scumbag who has had his convictions overturned for hiding evidence.

Mueller and Weissmann enjoy a cloak of protection from debased and filthy warriors of injustice.

Mueller framed gangsters for murder and millions had to be paid in retribution.

He covered for whitey bulger and his winter hill gang.

Like I stated, if a person doesn't know this already, they don't know squat.

What my post is, is t***h, look it up yourself as I don't hold someone by the pecker and tickle their ears.

In this age of debauchery is good and justice is evil, Mueller is your man.
Mueller has a well known history of framing innoce... (show quote)


More conspiracy theories? Are there any conspiracy theory you don't buy into hook line and sinker?

While you are correct, ONE case Andrew Weissmann worked on was overturned by SCOTUS, it was overturned based not on the integrity of the case itself, but due to the jury instructions not being sufficiently descriptive of what constitutes a verdict of guilt, just instructions typically handed down by the judge, not the prosecutor.

Here is the case:

Wikipedia wrote:
From 2002 to 2005, Weissmann was deputy director and then director of the task force investigating the Enron scandal.[1] His work resulted in the prosecution of more than 30 people for crimes including perjury, fraud, and obstruction including three of Enron's top executives, Andrew Fastow, Kenneth Lay. and Jeffrey Sk*****g. In a follow-up case in U.S. District Court, Weissmann also was successful at arguing that auditing firm Arthur Andersen LLP had covered up for Enron. In that case, which resulted in the destruction of Andersen, he convinced the district judge to instruct the jury that they could convict the firm regardless of whether its employees knew they were violating the law.[3] That ruling was later unanimously overturned by the Supreme Court in Arthur Andersen LLP v. United States, in which the court held that "the jury instructions failed to convey the requisite consciousness of wrongdoing."[3]
From 2002 to 2005, Weissmann was deputy director a... (show quote)


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Weissmann#Career



Here is the finding of SCOTUS on that conviction:

Wikipedia wrote:
In a unanimous decision by the Supreme Court, Arthur Andersen's conviction was overturned. Chief Justice William Rehnquist wrote the opinion for the court, and was joined by all associate justices.

In the court's view, the instructions allowed the jury to convict Andersen without proving that the firm knew it had broken the law or that there had been a link to any official proceeding that prohibited the destruction of documents. The instructions were so vague that they "simply failed to convey the requisite consciousness of wrongdoing", Rehnquist wrote. "Indeed, it is striking how little culpability the instructions required." Rehnquist's opinion also expressed grave skepticism at the government's definition of "corrupt persuasion"—persuasion with an improper purpose even without knowing an act is unlawful. "Only persons conscious of wrongdoing can be said to 'knowingly corruptly persuade,' " he wrote.
In a unanimous decision by the Supreme Court, Arth... (show quote)


NOT overturned for "hiding evidence".

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen_LLP_v._United_States#Opinion_of_the_Court

You claim that Robert Mueller has a "well known history" of framing innocent people, care to offer any proof of this claim? I have checked various sources and can not find even a hint of this (I obviously didn't check with any conspiracy theorists). No proof, no belief on my part.

Your claim that he was in any way involved with "The Winter Hill Gang", again, no evidence of any connection.


Information pertaining to Robert Mueller during the relevant time frame of James "Whitey" Bulger's reign as leader of "The Winter Hill Gang" (1978–1995):

Wikipedia wrote:
in 1982, he moved to Boston to work in the office of the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Massachusetts as an Assistant United States Attorney,[8] where he investigated and prosecuted major financial fraud, terrorism and public corruption cases, as well as narcotics conspiracies and international money launderers.[30]

After serving as a partner at the Boston law firm of Hill and Barlow, Mueller returned to government service. In 1989, he served in the United States Department of Justice as an assistant to Attorney General Dick Thornburgh and as acting Deputy Attorney General. James Baker, with whom he worked on national security matters, said he had "...an appreciation for the Constitution and the rule of law."[31]:33-34

In 1990 he became the United States Assistant Attorney General in charge of the United States Department of Justice Criminal Division.[20] During his tenure, he oversaw prosecutions including that of Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, the Pan Am Flight 103 (Lockerbie bombing) case, and of the Gambino crime family boss John Gotti[32].

In 1991, he declared the government had been investigating the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) since 1986 in more-than-usual media exposure.[33] Also in 1991, he was elected a fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers.[8]

In 1993, Mueller became a partner at Boston's Hale and Dorr, specializing in white-collar crime litigation.[20] He returned to public service in 1995 as senior litigator in the homicide section of the District of Columbia United States Attorney's Office. In 1998, Mueller was named U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of California and held that position until 2001.[8]
in 1982, he moved to Boston to work in the office ... (show quote)


No mention of having anything at all to do with "The Winter Hill Gang" or any controversies related to Mueller during that time.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller#Early_career



byronglimish wrote:
What my post is, is t***h, look it up yourself


Your entire post is NOT the t***h, couldn't be further from the t***h in fact. You really should do some research into these conspiracy theories before buying into them fully.

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Feb 26, 2019 23:37:38   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Your entire post is NOT the t***h, couldn't be further from the t***h in fact. You really should do some research into these conspiracy theories before buying into them fully.


Nobody on your side is ever guilty of a thing are they?

Andrew Weissmann hid evidence in the Enron trials.

Your Polly pure bred Mueller convicted innocent people of murder.

It's obvious that you lack the intellectual honesty to debate anything pointing toward evil men.

Give me a link, Give me a Link, how about you not always on the gimme bus and man up.

You people have the catchphrase 'conspiracy theory' to cower behind...that bullbiden is spewed by dishonest Progs everywhere.

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Feb 26, 2019 23:53:34   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
byronglimish wrote:
Nobody on your side is ever guilty of a thing are they?


My side? Were there some politicians with no party affiliation elected much less suspected of wrong doing? If you are still trying to lump me in with the Democrats, there have been several found guilty of crimes, not sure where you get your information from. Straight out of your nether regions is not as valid source.

byronglimish wrote:
Andrew Weissmann hid evidence in the Enron trials.


Provide evidence, I failed to find any

byronglimish wrote:
Your Polly pure bred Mueller convicted innocent people of murder.


Provide evidence, I failed to find any

byronglimish wrote:
It's obvious that you lack the intellectual honesty to debate anything pointing toward evil men.


A debate SHOULD include facts, you fail to provide any.

byronglimish wrote:
Give me a link, Give me a Link, how about you not always on the gimme bus and man up.


I can't find a link that doesn't exist, of course I will ask you to provide FACTS to back your claim, because you keep making claims NOT backed up by any known facts.

byronglimish wrote:
You people have the catchphrase 'conspiracy theory' to cower behind...that bullbiden is spewed by dishonest Progs everywhere.


It isn't a "catchphrase", it is the t***h, just because you can't handle the t***h, that doesn't make it any less true. Perhaps if you would do even a little bit of research, you MAY not fall for these conspiracy theories and be better informed. What REALLY is "bullbiden" is all these conspiracy theories that you spew INSTEAD of actual facts.




Edit: I offer you this deal, you don't offer up any conspiracy theories, I won't try to discredit them. Do we have a deal?

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Feb 27, 2019 00:03:23   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
It isn't a "catchphrase", it is the t***h, just because you can't handle the t***h, that doesn't make it any less true. Perhaps if you would do even a little bit of research, you MAY not fall for these conspiracy theories and be better informed. What REALLY is "bullbiden" is all these conspiracy theories that you spew INSTEAD of actual facts.




Edit: I offer you this deal, you don't offer up any conspiracy theories, I won't try to discredit them. Do we have a deal?
It isn't a "catchphrase", it is the t***... (show quote)


You can't disprove the t***h.

I just googled both and it was right there.

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Feb 27, 2019 00:11:09   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
byronglimish wrote:
You can't disprove the t***h.

I just googled both and it was right there.


If that were so, you would be able to provide links, and I don't mean to sites promoting these conspiracy theories, but sites with actual facts.

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Feb 27, 2019 00:12:32   #
Ricktloml
 
rumitoid wrote:
So this is how it worked this time. To you, that about sums up the indictments and guilty pleas of those below, just "regular guys" and "no actual crimes," all smart and accomplished men in their fields with a lot to lose just tricked "to slip up and say something incorrectly”?
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.
2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them).
3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.
So this is how it worked this time. To you, that a... (show quote)



You left out Gen. Flynn who was also charged with lying to the Mueller probe, after the FBI agents who interviewed him said he didn't lie. Mueller bankrupted him anyway, then threatened to start on his son. Yeah real ethical that Mueller probe.

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