woodguru

They can indict and congress can impeach before prosecution, that's how it was going to be done with Nixon. The court takes it's findings to congress and they decide what to do. There's no way a president can commit a crime and get a free pass until he's out of office.

The prosecutors do the work, when they have enough for an indictment they send a report over to congress and they decide how to handle it. If the AG says we can't indict a sitting president, congress can use that evidence of a crime with the recommendation for an indictment and use it as the reason for impeaching. There is no way the refusal to indict a sitting president means the charges can't be used.

We'll see ho well this has been strategized.

woodguru

Lying to the public is impeachable, and Obama lied too is not going to make a very good defense.

What will be and is easy to prove is money laundering. The books on what was paid for a property, who bought it (in spite of convoluted undisclosed LLC's), and what it was sold for are child's play for the FBI, then what takes down the greediest i***ts is failing to pay the taxes on the extraordinarily large profits involved.

Sew_What

...it will be interesting...

woodguru

Deep state refused to do anything to Hillary or Obama, buried and suppressed information... and on the flip side they make things up about Trump...

Deep state explains all things about Obama not being prosecuted, and everything about wh**ever Trump is found to have done.

Common_Sense_Matters

"The deep state" is just a way to explain the inexplicable.


The problem: "We don't have the evidence to show that any crime was committed"

The solution: "Deep state operatives hid all the evidence"

The problem: "They are trying to convict our idol"

The solution: "Deep state operatives are fabricating evidence that implicate our idol, it's a total frame job"


It is merely a paranoid delusion created so that they can shift the blame to something "tangible" when things don't go the way they want them to. "We weren't able to convict the evil Democrats (Obama, Hillary, "insert evil democrat politician's name here"...) on any of their wrong doings, it must be a deep state conspiracy!". "There is an evil witch hunt going on against our idol and they claim to have proof, it must be a deep state conspiracy fabricating f**e evidence to frame our idol!".

In most cases, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one. If the various agencies responsible for investigating potential crimes finds no evidence, perhaps there was no evidence there to find.* If the various agencies responsible for investigating potential crimes DO find evidence, it would seem that there is the likelihood that a crime WAS committed.



* There are times of course where evidence IS found but not sufficient enough to take the case to court. While "shaky evidence" MAY be indication of a crime committed, it can also mean that NO crime was committed or that the one suspected was not the one that committed it as well.

For the sake of argument, let us hypothesize a hypothetical mugging. The victim barely got a look at their attacker and described the attacker as best as they could. The police found someone matching the vague description that COULD have been in the area of the attack, matched the vague description of the attacker, did not have a strong alibi, was carrying an amount of cash on their person to roughly match the mount taken or perhaps more than what was taken. The evidence that this suspect MAY have committed the crime seems fairly strong, we should string him up for this crime right? Wrong, they MAY not have committed the crime, they are to be considered innocent UNTIL proven guilty. A "vague description" can match any number of people, "could have been in the area of the attack" doesn't necessarily mean they WERE in that area at that time, "did not have a strong alibi" means nothing, does anyone ever have a strong alibi 24/7? "Carrying an amount of cash on their person to roughly match the amount taken or perhaps more than said amount", how do we know it wasn't ALL his money that he was carrying or money that someone gave to him for a specific purpose/reason?

Just because we think someone may be guilty or wish for them to be guilty, that doesn't mean they are.


P.S. The likelihood of the person in the hypothetical presented being convicted ranges from "Will never happen" to "Oh yeah, he is toast" dependent on several factors including how effective his defense attorney is, any proof he can provide as to where the money on his person actually came from (he shouldn't have to prove anything as the burden of proof is SUPPOSED to fall on the prosecutor to have to prove his case but that isn't always the case), the jury selected, the bias of the judge (this isn't supposed to be an issue but sometimes it is) and sadly, the appearance of the defendant (this isn't supposed to be an issue either but all too often it is).

old marine Loc: America home of the brave

He wouldnt carry New York or California so it's no big loss.

bylm1-Bernie

I've got big news for you, Sew, the Deep State is not a myth. Far from it. We are in a critical stage here. The left won't admit it because it is just what they want, that being Socialist policies. If we continue to listen to the MSM, we are screwed. Screwed I tell you. This has been going on for some time. My prayer is that the patriots will be able to win out and save our republic from l*****t rule. Otherwise, get used to Venezuelan and N Korean type life. I pray for my grandchildren.

Common_Sense_Matters

It is that paranoia that I suspect makes you so susceptible to conspiracy theories.

bylm1-Bernie

No, just t***h.

Common_Sense_Matters

Conspiracy theories almost NEVER turn out to be true.



Edit: The more convoluted it must be to make it seem true, the less likely it IS true. In other words, the more layers it requires, the less likely it is to be true.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Like the so called collusion delusion solution?

Common_Sense_Matters

That investigation is still ongoing, we shall see what develops when the investigation is done.

bylm1-Bernie

That's true and calling something a conspiracy theory doesn't make it so, does it?

Sew_What

Oh, there's no such organization as the deep state....there are groups that band together within any large organization.

Sew_What

It's politics, not deep state. And if they are aren't keeping their employees busy that's what you get, people banding together...