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Feb 24, 2019 12:04:52   #
son of witless
 
Kevyn wrote:
And what would that be? I am betting taxes, but enlighten me. Much of this infrastructure is over a century old and there is not enough money to update maintain and repair it. One of the i***t Pumpkinfuhrers promises that he has ignored is to invest in American infrastructure. Far better to repair failing bridges and sewers than piss away scarce tax money on his Trumpty Dumpty vanity wall.


Hey Kevy, in my State of Pennsylvania we have the highest gasoline taxes in the nation and in my humble opinion the worst roads of all 50 states.

Do not even tell me we are under taxed. Our Government MASTERS over tax us and under serve us. We got infra structure spending coming out of our ears. You don't know what you are talking about. GUVMENT needs to fire most of their employees. Waste, waste, waste.

Do not blame my boy Trump for the misspending of tax money at the state and local level.

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Feb 24, 2019 12:34:08   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
Kevyn wrote:
How exactly should the installation and maintenance of storm drains and sewers be funded?


Maybe through state income tax, or sales tax, or property tax, or the many other hidden taxes we pay.

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Feb 24, 2019 12:41:56   #
Kevyn
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Maybe they should have used the taxes they've been collecting all along for just such a purpose, instead of giving it to their friends in the unions and spending it on wasteful boondoggles across the State. Since when was it necessary to invent new taxes to finance the things taxes have always paid for?

Assuming that you are or at one point made a house payment when the roof or furnace wears out it is an additional expense, this is no different. There is simply not enough savings in eliminating the realistically small amount of fraud or abuse to replace the infrastructure. We just need to do what the generations before us did and pay for it. When our interstate highway system was built the top marginal tax rate was 90% Our tax rate compared to GDP has fallen for years and we no longer can keep the country moving forward. If your taxes have not gone down or your income has not grown at the rate of GDP you ought to know why there is a distressed middle class and our infastructure is collapsing. Ill give you a hint it has nothing to do with immigrants or poor kids getting school lunches.

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Feb 24, 2019 13:14:37   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
Kevyn wrote:
How exactly should the installation and maintenance of storm drains and sewers be funded?


Sanitary sewers are usually maintained through a "sewer use fee" (tax) by cities and towns. Sanitary sewer drains have traditionally been maintained by homeowners' and businesses' real estate taxes. Storm water drains traditionally were piped into nearby rivers and streams unfiltered. That is why cities and towns started "separating" sewer systems, one for sewage (which is sent to a "treatment plant") and one for storm water that was allowed to empty into natural waterways. The EPA then decided that due to oil, antifreeze, and hydraulic oils that may leak from vehicles and heavy equipment onto roadways, there would be contamination of waterways and mandated that storm water be "treated" also. Although the "treatment" isn't the same in both cases, there is a large cost to install systems to treat storm water at every point of collection (catch basins). Many cities and towns then decided (I think, rightly so) to "re-combine" sanitary and storm water systems so that all water collected is treated.

Instead of instituting another "tax" the governments should simply raise the sewer use fee nominally on residents to help cover the costs for treating roadways and on businesses base on the size of their parking lots. Businesses will then be charged comprehensively more to treat the water collected in parking lots (which most residential homes don't have) and make it a "cost of doing business".

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Feb 24, 2019 13:26:46   #
Kevyn
 
snowbear37 wrote:
Sanitary sewers are usually maintained through a "sewer use fee" (tax) by cities and towns. Sanitary sewer drains have traditionally been maintained by homeowners' and businesses' real estate taxes. Storm water drains traditionally were piped into nearby rivers and streams unfiltered. That is why cities and towns started "separating" sewer systems, one for sewage (which is sent to a "treatment plant") and one for storm water that was allowed to empty into natural waterways. The EPA then decided that due to oil, antifreeze, and hydraulic oils that may leak from vehicles and heavy equipment onto roadways, there would be contamination of waterways and mandated that storm water be "treated" also. Although the "treatment" isn't the same in both cases, there is a large cost to install systems to treat storm water at every point of collection (catch basins). Many cities and towns then decided (I think, rightly so) to "re-combine" sanitary and storm water systems so that all water collected is treated.

Instead of instituting another "tax" the governments should simply raise the sewer use fee nominally on residents to help cover the costs for treating roadways and on businesses base on the size of their parking lots. Businesses will then be charged comprehensively more to treat the water collected in parking lots (which most residential homes don't have) and make it a "cost of doing business".
Sanitary sewers are usually maintained through a &... (show quote)

This is exactly what these knuckleheads are calling a rain tax.

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Feb 24, 2019 13:30:42   #
Kevyn
 
son of witless wrote:
Hey Kevy, in my State of Pennsylvania we have the highest gasoline taxes in the nation and in my humble opinion the worst roads of all 50 states.

Do not even tell me we are under taxed. Our Government MASTERS over tax us and under serve us. We got infra structure spending coming out of our ears. You don't know what you are talking about. GUVMENT needs to fire most of their employees. Waste, waste, waste.

Do not blame my boy Trump for the misspending of tax money at the state and local level.
Hey Kevy, in my State of Pennsylvania we have the... (show quote)
Pennsylvania is a very mountainous state with enormous fluxuation in temperature and humidity making the roads very costly and difficult to build and maintain. Add to that the heavy trucks used in the extraction industry that pound the roads daily. No one in their right mind would expect roads there to cost what they do in the flatlands.

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Feb 24, 2019 13:57:25   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
bmac32 wrote:
When a home is built.

Apparently he thinks storm drains are some new invention in need of special funding initiatives. I hear AOC is looking into it.

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Feb 24, 2019 14:00:11   #
son of witless
 
Kevyn wrote:
Pennsylvania is a very mountainous state with enormous fluxuation in temperature and humidity making the roads very costly and difficult to build and maintain. Add to that the heavy trucks used in the extraction industry that pound the roads daily. No one in their right mind would expect roads there to cost what they do in the flatlands.


You do not live here. I do. Penndot loves to start construction projects. Unless you have gotten stuck in traffic for months and months at one of their construction sites, while almost never ever seeing anyone working, you have no idea. Then when they finally remove the barriers you get to drive through the potholes.

I have taken many trips North and South. South into Maryland and North into New York State. When you are returning, you can have your eyes closed, and magically you will know the second you have crossed the border. You will feel it.


Do not blame the heavy extraction industry trucks. Our roads were always bad and those trucks do not go everywhere in the state. I do not blame the workers. I blame the leadership.

The states bordering us have the same climate, and mountains. They have lower road taxes and better roads.

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Feb 25, 2019 10:09:19   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
silvereagle wrote:
Here in columbia,s.c. they call it a runoff tax.The next tax I see coming is...you have a well.Ig gubment comes onto your land and install a meter on your well and charges you for your own water.


In some areas of Calif the c*******ts have been doing that for many years.

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Feb 25, 2019 12:14:05   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Yep, it's real and it's hitting the ground running!

https://uspoliticsandnews.com/new-jersey-to-begin-taxing-residents-for-checks-notes-rain/?inf_contact_key=6b9ae1931e6f966b5aebc23b900ac3201b0a3f0fd3ee5d9b43fb34c6613498d7

It seems our socialist fiends in New Jersey are running out of other peoples' money...


great idea
I'm pretty sure the'boss'will notice it
and will incorporate it into the 'Green New Deal'

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Feb 25, 2019 12:22:05   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
snowbear37 wrote:
How about the bill introduced in Jersey to keep Trump off the 2020 b****t unless he discloses 5 years of tax returns??! Dems/libs/socialists will stoop as low as they can to forward their agenda. There is absolutely no law requiring this. Actually, the law is that tax returns are private information and the IRS cannot publicly release peoples' tax returns.


That is an illegal law and wont stand up. Maybe if ALL CANIDATES had to do the same thing that law would be removed immediately.



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Feb 25, 2019 12:35:41   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
lindajoy wrote:
One of the reasons I left Chi~Town... After Springfield ran off corporations and started hitting homeowners in higher taxes on our homes I said enough!! Especially feeling like I had to carry 24/7 if out...Everything was becoming a luxury tax ... I’m surprised they didn’t tax us to breath the air!!!


Maybe i should sue the Government for all the air my 3,070 acres if trees produce everyday, guaranteed pure unpoluted fresh air. Heck I would be rich.

Oh wait, I am already rich. Well I would be richer. I could charge Socialist Dim-O-Crats double for the air they breathe and charge them for polution on the air they breath out.

I could donate it to pay off the national debt before our great president leaves office in 2024. 😏😁😎

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Feb 25, 2019 12:40:42   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
The same way they're always funded. How do you think?


First of all Larry, they have to have a brakn before they can think. They only know what they are programed to say.πŸ‘€β˜ 

😏😁😎

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ God bless America and President Trump.

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Feb 25, 2019 12:47:20   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Kevyn wrote:
And what would that be? I am betting taxes, but enlighten me. Much of this infrastructure is over a century old and there is not enough money to update maintain and repair it. One of the i***t Pumpkinfuhrers promises that he has ignored is to invest in American infrastructure. Far better to repair failing bridges and sewers than piss away scarce tax money on his Trumpty Dumpty vanity wall.


Had the money earmarked for infastructure in California been used for the jntended purpose instead in paying on the loan's the Governor made they wouldn't be in the shape they are today.

The millions of dollars wasted on printing road sign's so the illegal criminal aliens could understand how to get to the welfare office for freenies.



πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ God bless America and President Trump

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Feb 25, 2019 13:32:37   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
bmac32 wrote:
When a home is built.


The original home was built in 1802. The present homeplace was built around 1900 and remodled several time and expanded a couple of times the latest was around 1935 when Grandpaw inherited the tree Farm

He had indoor plumbing installed because Grandmaw DEMANDED it. He had to pay to have the original quarter mile of power lines run so they could have electricity. Even today AT&T still won't run telephone service to the house because there is only one customer.

They have a tower about a mile away and we have stromg cellular phone service. There are 20 to 25 phones on the tree farm 20 that I furnish to my delievery personel and top employees.

We still have a gravel road a quarter mile to the blacktop highway. We only use offroad diesel and save a lot of money on tax exempt fuel.

Everything that runs except the amblance and the limousine are diesel.

Our water supply comes from an artisanal well that has flowed everysince our forefathers setteled here in 1802. It has been upgraded with tank and pumps to provide water fot the place. 99.9% pure water with no additives.

Large septic tanks for waste and one for water from the bathtubs, showers and kitchens. That flows back into the original runoff about 100 feet below the original runoff.

The waste septic tanks have to be pumped out every so often by a company from Natchez.

Every thing has been recommended and approved by the State Department of Health. It took years and a lot of money to become self sufficient but was a bargan in the long run.

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ God bless America and President Trump.

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