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Feb 18, 2019 15:53:30   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
woodguru wrote:
You who see me crapping on the sidewalks of Placerville, know thats what my two dads taught me...p.s. I got the name wooguru in the back alleys of San Fran.

I am referring to indictments and plea deals that have to make a case to the judge with facts, we are seeing big pieces of what Mueller has, many intentionally not redacted so we have an idea. Do you think if Mueller refers to Trump as co-conspirator one in an indictment that he doesn't have full on proof that backs up that statement? The only place you are hearing that Mueller has nothing is FOX and right wing media, the rest of mainstream media and people following are seeing dozens of facts that Mueller has been systematically revealing in court documents that are unimpeachable in their veracity.

The right believes, or at least wants to believe that because Cohen has lied, is a liar, that nothing he says about Trump is true. In fact, Mueller is only using things that have corroborative proof because of that. Do you think Mueller is going to press charges based solely on the word of Cohen? That is not how cases are built. Cohen just helped Mueller know where to look or corroborated if he didn't already know.
You who see me crapping on the sidewalks of Placer... (show quote)

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Feb 18, 2019 16:35:06   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
To me it's not that hard to see something that has hard documents or irrefutable facts that we see unfolding before our eyes and recognize realities whether we like them or not.

One thing is taken with a bit of skepticism, two that match up with a grain of salt, when three and four things that prove out start matching up with more they take on more and more credibility. Pretty soon you have a situation where the parts start painting a picture and things that don't fit start standing out as likely untrue.

When people reject something that is actually very clear, and more and more that actually has a high credibility, automatic rejections of new additional facts surfacing start sounding very weak. Often we are seeing conclusions drawn before we even have a chance to see the facts.

My point here, and the question is for the right...when facts are clear, you are looking at court documents or other hard evidence, evidence that would actually be impossible to make up...

Do you actually deep down know that the things being denied are actually real? Is there a part of you that knows your position is bogus, but that it is the position the group you are part of is taking so you stick to it?

I'm hoping this is the case, otherwise we are dealing with an ability to delude yourselves that is truly frightening. Wars could be fought over complete delusions.
To me it's not that hard to see something that has... (show quote)



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Feb 18, 2019 19:00:20   #
woodguru
 
byronglimish wrote:
Yes, you are spot on...a whole host of intelligence cronies have kidnapped the constitution under the pretext of a bogus Russian Delusion Collusion Solution.

When treasonous Mueller doesn't produce your hopes and dreams...will you accept the Conclusion?


I will, will you when he does? If that is the case you need to pay attention to the things you can already see starting with indictments and plea deals and the proofs listed in them that give an idea of what Mueller has.

We can already see that Trump lied about having an affair with a porn star...then about not having an NDA... then about not paying or knowing anything about the payment on it...then that there were no campaign or foundation funds used...

Lying is by statute an impeachable offense...so is obstruction of justice, which Trump in his own words screwed himself with.

These are things that are going to come down that he did, we know he did, you think he is above the law on these things? You think because he openly did them they are no big thing? Think again

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Feb 18, 2019 19:08:29   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
I will, will you when he does? If that is the case you need to pay attention to the things you can already see starting with indictments and plea deals and the proofs listed in them that give an idea of what Mueller has.

We can already see that Trump lied about having an affair with a porn star...then about not having an NDA... then about not paying or knowing anything about the payment on it...then that there were no campaign or foundation funds used...

Lying is by statute an impeachable offense...so is obstruction of justice, which Trump in his own words screwed himself with.

These are things that are going to come down that he did, we know he did, you think he is above the law on these things? You think because he openly did them they are no big thing? Think again
I will, will you when he does? If that is the case... (show quote)


Fact. God's will will prevail in the end.

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Feb 18, 2019 19:10:06   #
woodguru
 
son of witless wrote:
I will defend Trump as your side defended Clinton. You must remember that Clinton's affair with Lewinski happened " on the job ", with a government intern. That is much worse than what Trump did as a private citizen. Please tell me you can tell the difference ?

The media is thoroughly corrupt, so why would I care as you do about what they say ? As far as Campaign violations, fine. If you can prove it, it will be a fine.


Trump as a president lied about not having an affair...then lied about no NDA...then lied about knowing nothing about the payment on it...

Again, the lies as a breach of public faith are impeachable, nothing has to be proved, we now know he did in fact lie as each new revelation came. No matter how corrupt the media is we know Trump openly lied in multiple stages.

You seem to be missing the fact that Mueller's scope is wide and anything he comes up with about money laundering, tax evasion, fraud...wh**ever it's all fair game.

That said everything he is doing in terms of indictments, guilty pleas, and plea deals has ties to Russia and deals with Trump. Trump owns too many things going on with Putin and Russians that have been lied about.

And...there is absolutely no way he can pardon Manafort or Flynn without triggering obstruction charges.

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Feb 18, 2019 19:10:48   #
woodguru
 
BigMike wrote:
Fact. God's will will prevail in the end.


And you will live with it?

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Feb 18, 2019 19:26:36   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
BigMike wrote:
Fact. God's will will prevail in the end.


What is God's will?

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Feb 18, 2019 19:38:16   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
woodguru wrote:
I will, will you when he does? If that is the case you need to pay attention to the things you can already see starting with indictments and plea deals and the proofs listed in them that give an idea of what Mueller has.

We can already see that Trump lied about having an affair with a porn star...then about not having an NDA... then about not paying or knowing anything about the payment on it...then that there were no campaign or foundation funds used...

Lying is by statute an impeachable offense...so is obstruction of justice, which Trump in his own words screwed himself with.

These are things that are going to come down that he did, we know he did, you think he is above the law on these things? You think because he openly did them they are no big thing? Think again
I will, will you when he does? If that is the case... (show quote)


Hey wood gobbler how about we meet in Diamond Springs and get acquainted.

Or are you a panty waste coward?

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Feb 18, 2019 19:39:12   #
son of witless
 
woodguru wrote:
Trump as a president lied about not having an affair...then lied about no NDA...then lied about knowing nothing about the payment on it...

Again, the lies as a breach of public faith are impeachable, nothing has to be proved, we now know he did in fact lie as each new revelation came. No matter how corrupt the media is we know Trump openly lied in multiple stages.

You seem to be missing the fact that Mueller's scope is wide and anything he comes up with about money laundering, tax evasion, fraud...wh**ever it's all fair game.

That said everything he is doing in terms of indictments, guilty pleas, and plea deals has ties to Russia and deals with Trump. Trump owns too many things going on with Putin and Russians that have been lied about.

And...there is absolutely no way he can pardon Manafort or Flynn without triggering obstruction charges.
Trump as a president lied about not having an affa... (show quote)


" Again, the lies as a breach of public faith are impeachable, nothing has to be proved, "

That is true but incredibly hilarious. Nothing has to be proven. True. Impeachment is a political act, not a legal one. I have said it before. You guys can impeach Donald Trump for bad hair.

What you forget is that as a political act Impeachment has political costs. Clinton was far more guilty of an impeachable act than Trump, yet in the end the Senate Republicans feared the political consequences.

Your i***ts in the house can draw Articles of Impeachment. In the Senate it will go nowhere because Republicans control that body. By the time Democrats have a chance to retake the Senate, the 2020 e******n will be over. Lets say that your clowns take the Senate. They will not Impeach Trump after the 2020 e******n.

Think about it. If Trump loses, there is no need to impeach. If Trump wins it means that America wants him to be President, therefore Impeaching him would be crazy for Democrats.

My logic is flawless. Now what did I get wrong ?

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Feb 18, 2019 19:41:34   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Bad Bob wrote:
What is God's will?


Pardon me for interrupting but I see BigMike has entered the discussion so I wants to preview BREAKING NEWS Trump is now saying Socialism is ending, do you think this has anything to do with BigMike rising?

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Feb 18, 2019 19:41:52   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
I will, will you when he does? If that is the case you need to pay attention to the things you can already see starting with indictments and plea deals and the proofs listed in them that give an idea of what Mueller has.

We can already see that Trump lied about having an affair with a porn star...then about not having an NDA... then about not paying or knowing anything about the payment on it...then that there were no campaign or foundation funds used...

Lying is by statute an impeachable offense...so is obstruction of justice, which Trump in his own words screwed himself with.

These are things that are going to come down that he did, we know he did, you think he is above the law on these things? You think because he openly did them they are no big thing? Think again
I will, will you when he does? If that is the case... (show quote)


There have been enough leaks and f**e news media hype about this Russian Collusion bulls**t that if 1/10 of it were true (real evidence) trumpy would have already been hung by a lynch mob of dim-0-craps from a tree on the White House lawn. Because they ain't got nothing on trump that his oliness didn't actually do, yet for fear of having the race s**t thrown at them the media ignored it.

"In July 2008, independent of any policy conversations by staff, candidate Obama went to the Middle East and Europe and spoke extensively, one-on-one, about policy with leaders from Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, the West Bank, Israel, France, Germany and Britain. As a candidate, not as a president-elect.

Without thought of violating the Logan Act, Mr. Obama conducted substantive conversations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, Jordan’s King Abdullah, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Israel’s Prime Minister Elud Olmert, Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel, France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy, Britain’s Prime Minister Gordon Brown, his predecessor Tony Blair and opposition leader David Cameron. In short, in an effort to t***sparently promote his p**********l candidacy, with all manner of topics, candidate Obama flew straight into the Logan Act."

Mr. Charles informs that in 200 years no one has been charged with violating the Logan Act. In 2008 these same news outlets were following Obama around like puppies and praising his every word and deed. The man was even awarded the Nobel Prize for peace without having done anything more than travel the world talking to leaders in private conversations…most of it while GWB was still president.

What the hell do you call that in your face evidence? I call it kissing the ass of a n!993r so as not to be labeled a raaacist...

You moonbats are still butthurt your queen b***h clinton lost.

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Feb 18, 2019 19:47:17   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
RT friend wrote:
Pardon me for interrupting but I see BigMike has entered the discussion so I wants to preview BREAKING NEWS Trump is now saying Socialism is ending, do you think this has anything to do with BigMike rising?



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Feb 18, 2019 19:55:57   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
And you will live with it?


Oh yeah...There's a verse that says, "and he (the antichrist) was given powered over the saints"...but I don't think that means America since America has a different destiny.

I like to save my ammo. In the meantime, you go ahead and listen to CNN.

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Feb 18, 2019 19:56:54   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
RT friend wrote:
Pardon me for interrupting but I see BigMike has entered the discussion so I wants to preview BREAKING NEWS Trump is now saying Socialism is ending, do you think this has anything to do with BigMike rising?


Are you being a wise-guy!

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Feb 18, 2019 19:58:08   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Bad Bob wrote:
What is God's will?


Wh**ever it is, Guido, it ain't what you think it is.

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