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Donald Trump Jr.’s ‘loser teachers’ comment was ‘a chilling moment’
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Feb 17, 2019 10:01:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Spoken like an educated gentleman...

That is because, above everything else, 'Doc' LpnMajor is an educated gentleman of the highest order.

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Feb 17, 2019 10:03:52   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Gatsby wrote:
Those who refute biology, to advance sexual fantasy.


Not familiar with any of them...

Expand?

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Feb 17, 2019 10:15:15   #
Rose42
 
I didn't find his comment chilling but I did find it to be stupid.

"Teachers nurture, care and protect students. Teachers champion the pursuit of knowledge."

That's what they are supposed to do. They do that less and less. Many of them are automatons in the classroom blindly following wh**ever curriculum they're given. Fewer take an active part in real teaching.

Books are banned and history changed by "progressives". School is now more for indoctrination than ever. Its no coincidence that our education system is in so much trouble.

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Feb 17, 2019 10:26:57   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
If the teacher, professor, instructor, etc ; are teaching these youngsters the same as what Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer has been teaching you and the rest of their left wing constituents, then I would definitely say they 'all' fit the description of loser.

That's my spin and I'm stickin' to it.

Wolf, wrong as you may often be, I will not call you or anyone a "loser" simply for having a different perspective.

Teachers teach, and astute students are left to glean what they will from those teachings...while, at their discretion...toss the rest.

It's called 'free will'.

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Feb 17, 2019 10:30:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
Wolf, wrong as you may often be, I will not call you or anyone a "loser" simply for having a different perspective.

Teachers teach, and astute students are left to glean what they will from those teachings...while, at their discretion...toss the rest.

It's called 'free will'.
Wolf, wrong as you may often be, I will not call y... (show quote)


So much more gentlemanly than my response...

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Feb 17, 2019 10:42:42   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
So much more gentlemanly than my response...

I should have made it clear that the key word in my second line comment was "astute".

Having read Wolf for some time now, I have often suggested he (and others) follow the advice within a quote attributed to Ben Franklin...."If passion drives you, let reason hold the reins."

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Feb 17, 2019 10:43:56   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Wolf, wrong as you may often be, I will not call you or anyone a "loser" simply for having a different perspective.

Teachers teach, and astute students are left to glean what they will from those teachings...while, at their discretion...toss the rest.

It's called 'free will'.
Wolf, wrong as you may often be, I will not call y... (show quote)


You are primarily 'all' losers because you lost the e******n and for two years you have been envious of the winners.

What triggers you 'all' is that a Trump family member called you a loser.

Jr. is a chip off the winning block.

And winners are the world's greatest authority on who is a loser.

The only thing worse than a loser, is one who can't stand to admit he's a loser.

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Feb 17, 2019 10:47:18   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
Valerie Strauss

You may recall that President Trump held a border wall rally in El Paso on Monday and that his eldest child, Donald Trump Jr., made a speech that roused the crowd.

The president’s son drew cheers when he urged young conservatives to “bring it to your schools” (though he didn’t say exactly what “it” was) because “you don’t have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth.”

Three teachers explain why Trump Jr.'s comment was more than simply mean.

Jelmer Evers of the Netherlands, Michael Soskil of the United States and Armand Doucet of Canada were featured authors in the 2018 book “Teaching in the Fourth Industrial Revolution: Standing at the Precipice.”

Evers is also the author of “Flip the System: Changing Education From the Ground Up.” Soskil was the 2017-18 Pennsylvania Teacher of the Year. Doucet was a recipient of Canada’s teachers award and is the author of “Teaching Life: Our Calling, Our Choices, Our Challenges.”

By Jelmer Evers, Michael Soskil and Armand Doucet.....

“You know what I love? I love seeing some young conservatives because I know it’s not easy. (Crowd applauds and shouts.) Keep up that fight. Bring it to your schools. You don’t have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth. You don’t have to do it. Because you can think for yourselves. They can’t.” (Crowd applauds and shouts again.) – Donald Trump Jr. in Texas on Feb. 11, 2019

For teachers around the globe, this was a chilling moment.

In a stadium filled with people chanting “USA, USA,” the son of the president of the United States called for hostility toward teachers because of their so-called political leanings. This is a message you would expect in an authoritarian regime, not at a rally for the U.S. president.

As teachers, we come from varied backgrounds and political leanings, but there is an undeniable core to who we are and what we stand for. Teachers nurture, care and protect students. Teachers champion the pursuit of knowledge.

By working daily with young people, teachers are the stewards of the future. Whether Democratic or Republican, liberal or conservative, right, left, center, blue or red — seeing and reinforcing the value of a teacher should be a national pillar that rises high above partisan politics and cheap applause.

Throughout history, schools and teachers have always been among the first to be targeted by authoritarian regimes and extremists. Independent thinking, creativity, compassion and curiosity are threats to dogmatic beliefs and rule.

Many of our colleagues in countries ravaged by war or in shackled societies teach in difficult circumstances. They are often ruthlessly persecuted and even k**led for providing a well-balanced education to children, which should be a basic human right.

Echoes of these authoritarian practices are increasingly being heard in democratic countries as well. In Germany, the radical right party Alternative for Germany has launched a website where students and parents can report “left-wing teachers.”

In the Netherlands, right-wing parliamentarians have called on students to out their socialist teachers because they were indoctrinating their students in “c*****e c****e propaganda.”

In Canada, Ontario Premier Doug Ford has accused student unions of “crazy Marxist nonsense” and has raised alarms by throwing out one of the most progressive sex education curriculums, which dealt with topics from consent, to g****r identity to “sexting” in the age of social media.

In Hungary, textbooks are censored to follow the government’s nationalistic agenda. After years of denouncing teachers and schools, President Jair Bolsonaro’s first education policy in Brazil is to go after the “Marxist” curriculums, which bars teachers talking about feminism and L***Q issues.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey has fired thousands of teachers. In the Philippines, President Rodrigo Duterte is attacking teacher unions.

Research by the United Nations has shown that the globe is spinning toward a dramatic teacher shortage, with analysts predicting a shortage of 69 million teachers by 2030. This is the crisis we should be talking about.

We’ve seen overcrowded classrooms, long working hours, lack of professional development, burn out, low salaries, terrible retention rates and teachers across the United States striking to demand better teaching and learning conditions.

How does Donald Trump Jr.’s description of teachers as “losers” and the encouragement of hostility toward us solve these problems? How does it ignite passion in a new generation to pursue the world’s most important profession?

If we can be accused of anything, it is that we are on the front line of democracy. Education reformer John Dewey famously said, “Democracy has to be born again each generation and education is its midwife.”

As members of a global profession, we reject the narrowing of the mind and we stand by our colleagues defending academic freedom. We call upon parents, teachers and politicians to stand with us. Our academic freedom is what allows our democracies to remain strong.
Valerie Strauss br br You may recall that Presid... (show quote)


Welllllll......
Honestly, it was probably poorly done by Don Jr. BUT....it is chilling to have your children come home from kindergarten (my grandson 2 weeks ago) saying he was sad he wasn't gay cuz people like gays and maybe he could be that. Unfortunately for this 5 year old moment, his personality and looks destine him to be a "toxic male"
When your children 20 years ago, come home during February (black history month) saying that people of color CAN'T be r****t, only w****s.
When you see teachers constantly whining about their jobs, and at least 40% of high school teachers h**e teens.
When you see colleges ACROSS THE COUNTRY, even Wheaton college ( a divinity school) and DePaul (a Catholic school) refusing to have conservative speakers at their campuses.
Don Jr might have said it badly, but there IS indoctrination rampant in the school system.

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Feb 17, 2019 10:48:21   #
debeda
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The difference is in being taught how to think for yourself, and taught WHAT to think. Free thinking has ever been the salvation of democracy...............and the bane of autocratic ideologies.

What is interesting ( and terrifying ), is that the people who accuse schools of brainwashing children and promoting Marxist ideology, themselves want to censor what ideas children are exposed to, want to dictate behavior and punish those that do not conform.............................just like every Marxist society known to mankind.
The difference is in being taught how to think for... (show quote)



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Feb 17, 2019 10:49:22   #
debeda
 
Rose42 wrote:
I didn't find his comment chilling but I did find it to be stupid.

"Teachers nurture, care and protect students. Teachers champion the pursuit of knowledge."

That's what they are supposed to do. They do that less and less. Many of them are automatons in the classroom blindly following wh**ever curriculum they're given. Fewer take an active part in real teaching.

Books are banned and history changed by "progressives". School is now more for indoctrination than ever. Its no coincidence that our education system is in so much trouble.
I didn't find his comment chilling but I did find ... (show quote)


Well said, Rose

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Feb 17, 2019 10:50:13   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
You are primarily 'all' losers because you lost the e******n and for two years you have been envious of the winners.

What triggers you 'all' is that a Trump family member called you a loser.

Jr. is a chip off the winning block.

And winners are the world's greatest authority on who is a loser.

The only thing worse than a loser, is one who can't stand to admit he's a loser.


Was it difficult being a 'loser' during the eight years before Trump?

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Feb 17, 2019 10:52:56   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
Wolf, wrong as you may often be, I will not call you or anyone a "loser" simply for having a different perspective.

Teachers teach, and astute students are left to glean what they will from those teachings...while, at their discretion...toss the rest.

It's called 'free will'.
Wolf, wrong as you may often be, I will not call y... (show quote)


Very good point. Which is why young, impressionable students, who have no filters, should NOT be indoctrinated. 25 years ago I went and spoke at a PTA meeting (grade school) and implored teachers to stick to the 3 Rs and let parents deal with the 3 Ms (manners, mores and morality) a few teachers clapped, 90% of the parents cheered.....

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Feb 17, 2019 10:56:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
Very good point. Which is why young, impressionable students, who have no filters, should NOT be indoctrinated. 25 years ago I went and spoke at a PTA meeting (grade school) and implored teachers to stick to the 3 Rs and let parents deal with the 3 Ms (manners, mores and morality) a few teachers clapped, 90% of the parents cheered.....


All students are indoctrinated...
First by family...
Second by peers...
Third by teachers...
Only one group truly encourages all avenues of knowledge and reasoning... Allowing for e******y of indoctrination...

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Feb 17, 2019 11:10:19   #
bahmer
 
Rose42 wrote:
I didn't find his comment chilling but I did find it to be stupid.

"Teachers nurture, care and protect students. Teachers champion the pursuit of knowledge."

That's what they are supposed to do. They do that less and less. Many of them are automatons in the classroom blindly following wh**ever curriculum they're given. Fewer take an active part in real teaching.

Books are banned and history changed by "progressives". School is now more for indoctrination than ever. Its no coincidence that our education system is in so much trouble.
I didn't find his comment chilling but I did find ... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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Feb 17, 2019 11:16:52   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
All students are indoctrinated...
First by family...
Second by peers...
Third by teachers...
Only one group truly encourages all avenues of knowledge and reasoning... Allowing for e******y of indoctrination...


Read my other response with specific examples, Kyle. You of course being a teacher are somewhat unknowing of the other side of things. There are 2 sides, the school system and families. This is sad. All should be on the side of the school system teaching children the sk**ls they need to become successful adults. The TEACHER portion of that job is to teach reading, writing, history, math, science, music, art, etc. And hopefully in such a way that is engaging and challenging for their students. I understand a teacher's job is frustrating, and many complain about being forced to "teach to the test". But that is a systemic problem, which some intrepid teachers are taking on. I also understand the challenges of teachers that work in depressed areas, as inner cities. Grinding. But if they can catch the interest of these innocent minds with knowledge of their subjects, they can make a HUGE impact. My Aunt became a teacher in her early 50s. She taught for 10 years. She had former students corresponding with her until her death, because as a fifth grade teacher she made such a huge impact. (In a depressed area) In fact, a woman I worked with was talking about the wonderful teacher who had turned her daughter's grades around. And it turned out to be my aunt Shirley!

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