DASHY

Dopey Trump tossed his dimwit followers a bone by declaring a f**e emergency, knowing it will take years to clear the courts ending in defeat. Maybe Mexico will come forward with wall funding.

kemmer

He said he really didn't have to do this (declare a national emergency), but he wanted to get it out of the way to free up the Presidents' Day holiday to flit down to Florida for golf.

Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas

Except..Not only are there not "hordes" of i******s at our doorstep, the rate of attempted illegal entry has slowed, not increased. Please avoid falling into the trap of believing Trump's daily rants.

old marine Loc: America home of the brave

Kemmer.

How does one FLIT down to Florida for golf?

I will explain why President Trump plays so much golf. He plays mostly to work off his anger.

All his golf balls have pictures of Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer painted on the golf balls.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Probably Jim Accosta and Mueller as well...

There is really quite a list...

kemmer

On Air Force 1, at $300,000 on the taxpayers’ tab, that’s how.

old marine Loc: America home of the brave

You never complained when Nancy Pelosi flew home to San Francisco every weekend at $1,000,000 per trip.

Different strokes for different folks?

kemmer

A million a trip?! What did she do, charter a fleet of Concordes?

PeterS

In one of Trump's first speeches, he described i*****l i*******ts--Hispanics not you white skinned Canadians--as rapists, murders, and some...I suppose...are good people. For someone who claims to be a Trump disciple you don't seem to listen to what he says...

He hasn't tried several paths. Republicans held both houses for two years and he couldn't convince them to build his wall? The first path and best path was to go through Republicans--if they weren't going to support why didn't he declare a state of National Emergency then? He could have garnered enough v**es using democrats but then he would have had to approve DACA and because he wouldn't, he turned down 25 billion dollars. Then he had the option of 1.5 billion dollars but because Coulter and Limbaugh were upset he shut down the government and finally had to settle for 1.375 billion. Trump hasn't tried anything, at least successfully, and he's going to fail here all to keep a campaign promise to the most r****t people in this country.

As for fear--r****m centers around fear and while I am sure you can't see it the full of Trump's policies--whether they are anti-Muslim or anti-Hispanic or as simple as his pursuit of Obama's birth certificate are fully derivative of being a r****t. And of course, those who Trump is selling all this to are his conservative base who agree with him wholeheartedly in everything he does. And if you honestly don't think this is based on fear why do you think Trump keeps trying to terrify us with caravans of brown people getting ready to storm our southern borders? If this wasn't fear based he wouldn't need such tactics...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

First... I remember that speech... Is it your claim that rapists, murders, other criminals aren't coming across the border? Perhaps you think they are doing it legally through ports of entry?

Some ARE good people... Coming over for economic reasons... Does them being Brown give them free egress into the States?

Maybe people have less fear of Canadians because for the most part we are visa overstays... possession of a passport and a successful application for an American visa would indicate that those individuals are not criminals... I haven't heard the right complaining too much about Hispanic visa overstays either...
Visa overstays should still be removed...In my opinion...


Second...Trump has tried several avenues to get the wall... He did not compromise the platform that he ran on.. Good for him...


Third...Muslims are not a race... That's not r****m... Just common sense... And if you have read any of the threads where I have defended Islam from ignorant bigots you are aware of the fact that I am not islamatic... But some places are dangerous and their people need to be better vetted... Saudi ArabIa does a better job of vetting Muslims than America does.....


Fourth... Obama's birth certificate was an i***tic argument in my opinion... Much like Trump's taxes..


Fifth... Trump's base agrees and disagrees with him as his actions dictate... When promises are fulfilled they are pleased... When unfulfilled they are indignant...
Should it not be this way?


Last... Caravans of foreigners carrying their f**gs and demanding (DEMANDING) entrance into the US... I see little fear, but much anger at such actions... Do you honestly believe that if the caravans were full of impoverished, possibly diseased, demonstratably criminal (a certain percentage), WHITE people that Trump and the GOP would throw open the border and welcome them with brotherly love? Really?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

And my apologies... I had just finished writing a rather long rebuttal to Pennylynn and my hackles were up...

I should have started my reply with a Good morning...

Good morning Peter... Hope you are well and enjoying the fine weather....

And thanks for your reply... You're one of my favorite people to engage with...

PeterS

1) There is a higher crime rate amongst citizens than there are from i*****l i*******ts. Again, Trump is playing the fear card instead of being honest about the actual threat posed by i*****l i*********n.

2) We are a democracy and it is intended to be run on compromise. Trump went from an offer of 25 Billion dollars to 1.5 billion dollars to 1.375 billion dollars. And mind you, after he shut down government he got less money than the original offer. His lack of compromise is the reason there will never be a wall so long as he is president.

3) Then I am assuming Judaism isn't a race either and Hitlers attempted extermination of them didn't stem from r****m! You are splitting hairs--the hatred directed at Muslims is no different than that directed at Hispanics.

4) Obama's birth certificate isn't i***tic to Trump's base and it was Trump's pursuit of said certificate that gave him the recognition to run for president.

5) You see little fear? Senator Graham just argued that children in Kentucky are better off having money for new school's directed instead to the wall. Now tell me, how are children in Kentucky threatened by anyone crossing the border? They run a bigger risk of a crazed ass Christian with an AR-15 exterminating them than they do from an i*****l i*******t. The entire right is preaching fear as the reason for building the wall! If you can't see it than it's only because you have your eyes closed...

PeterS

Here in Dallas the weather isn't so fine. Cold and yucky and today is suppose to be in the '30s with widespread rains. I guess it could be snow so there is that...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

1) There is a not higher crime rate amongst citizens than there are from i*****l i*******ts.
I*****l i*******ts are not spread evenly throughout the population... If one looks at areas where they are concentrated the crime rate among them is far higher than amongst the locals....

2) Trump would have had to have betrayed on promise to fulfill the other... That's not compromise...

3) Judaim is not a race, it's a religion... The Jews are a race... Islam is a religion... Muslims are not a race...
H**e directed at Muslims is infinitely different from h**e directed at Hispanics... I have seen neither from Trump...
Hitler's attempt to exterminate the Jews could be construed as anti-semitism, not r****m... The Jews (to my knowledge) are a white race...

4) Obama's birth certificate was i***tic to me... And to plenty of Trump supporters...Try not to generalize...

5) I see little fear... I stand by the statement...
'crazed Christian'... How many crazed Christians have murdered or harmed people in Kentucky? I'm betting there have been a larger number of violent crimes committed by i*****l a***ns than by Christians...By this statement you prove yourself to be somewhat hypocritical.. Trump is fear mongering concerning muslims, but crazed Christians are the real threat....
And I don't agree with senator Graham... Education should never be devalued... My opinion...


Query:
When past governments built walls on the border, was it out of fear and hatred for the Hispanics?

It is the last day of Chinese New Year...
I Hope you are in good health...

PeterS

I just came across this meme that illustrates why i*****l i*******ts are the least of our worry. I'll come back and address the rest of our points later...