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May 14, 2014 10:40:24   #
Patty
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Right, so parents must choose to have their kids taught anarchy or oligarchy, OR the parents could choose to teach at home, then they get to choose their kids ideology themselves. I once thought it was important to teach kids how to think for themselves, but I guess I was wrong.

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May 14, 2014 10:55:24   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Right, so parents must choose to have their kids taught anarchy or oligarchy, OR the parents could choose to teach at home, then they get to choose their kids ideology themselves. I once thought it was important to teach kids how to think for themselves, but I guess I was wrong.


Are you saying that God has removed the rights and the responsibility, He explicitly gave to parents, to bring up their children with a knowledge of what is good and what is evil, and in the worship of the one true God?

"Direct your children onto the right path, and when they are older, they will not leave it." (Proverbs 22:6)

"And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord." (Ephesians 6:4)

"Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them to thy sons, and thy sons' sons;" (Deuteronomy 4:9)

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May 15, 2014 10:17:18   #
Retired669
 
Inyourface wrote:
Apparently what is eating on you is that unless the schools resemble cult factories like Bob Jones,Liberty,Oral Roberts,Etc.. they are defective. The t***h is when people are educated and begin to open their minds your backward,r****t,h********c, philosophy gets destroyed.

Intelligence is the enemy of hokey religions,racial stereotypes and homophobia. You won't find much enlightenment at the rightwing, nutball, institutions I have named.

You and your ilk are losing battle after battle and soon the war.
Apparently what is eating on you is that unless th... (show quote)




Great Post!......Intelligence has always been the enemy of the republicans and the rest of the stuff you mentioned. Why do you believe the republicans always cut public education funding every time they get a chance to fund the private schools for future bigots who will support their party?

They like to criticize Liberal leaning institutions for brain washing students as they like to say all the time but what do these same morons think they are doing to all those little mush heads in their so-called Christian schools and their frickin churches where they teach them to believe what they want instead of letting the kids learn on their own to make up their own minds? Everyone of those bible thumping assholes are the biggest hypocrites on this planet. This website is full of those same types too. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 15, 2014 14:30:27   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Zemirah wrote:
Are you saying that God has removed the rights and the responsibility, He explicitly gave to parents, to bring up their children with a knowledge of what is good and what is evil, and in the worship of the one true God?

"Direct your children onto the right path, and when they are older, they will not leave it." (Proverbs 22:6)

"And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord." (Ephesians 6:4)

"Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them to thy sons, and thy sons' sons;" (Deuteronomy 4:9)
Are you saying that God has removed the rights and... (show quote)


No, I'm saying Christian schools, for the most part, are using tax loopholes and religious freedoms to teach kids politics. The, so called, separation of Church and State should work both ways, but it doesn't. " give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and Give unto God that which is God's" it did not say " give unto Ceasar that which you decide is Ceasar's, because I have given you special dispensation to do so "

" Churches" " are just another special interest group, looking to meddle in politics for their own purposes. I believe that if they do so, they should lose their tax exempt status. They'd have a fit.

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May 15, 2014 14:33:24   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Retired669 wrote:
Great Post!......Intelligence has always been the enemy of the republicans and the rest of the stuff you mentioned. Why do you believe the republicans always cut public education funding every time they get a chance to fund the private schools for future bigots who will support their party?

They like to criticize Liberal leaning institutions for brain washing students as they like to say all the time but what do these same morons think they are doing to all those little mush heads in their so-called Christian schools and their frickin churches where they teach them to believe what they want instead of letting the kids learn on their own to make up their own minds? Everyone of those bible thumping assholes are the biggest hypocrites on this planet. This website is full of those same types too. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Great Post!......Intelligence has always been the ... (show quote)


Yep, the "don't meddle in my affairs, but stand aside while I meddle in yours" crowd. They would love to tell the rest of us what to do, because they are always correct, their preachers tell them so, so it must be true.

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May 15, 2014 15:31:36   #
Retired669
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yep, the "don't meddle in my affairs, but stand aside while I meddle in yours" crowd. They would love to tell the rest of us what to do, because they are always correct, their preachers tell them so, so it must be true.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 15, 2014 17:23:35   #
Tyster
 
Inyourface wrote:
Apparently what is eating on you is that unless the schools resemble cult factories like Bob Jones,Liberty,Oral Roberts,Etc.. they are defective. The t***h is when people are educated and begin to open their minds your backward,r****t,h********c, philosophy gets destroyed.

Intelligence is the enemy of hokey religions,racial stereotypes and homophobia. You won't find much enlightenment at the rightwing, nutball, institutions I have named.

You and your ilk are losing battle after battle and soon the war.
Apparently what is eating on you is that unless th... (show quote)


Are you really that ignorant? This article is pointing out how schools such as Harvard are becoming their own form of cult where ideas outside of their biased viewpoint are silenced. It is not arguing for only conservative or Christian teachings as you imply - it is saying that a university should be open to the discussion of all sides of an issue. Why does the left have such a fear of opposing ideas?

Probably because they are no more than the fanciful daydreams of those unable or unwilling to face the realities of the world. Their arguments generally lack logic or the ability to be backed by historical precedence. When history defies their position, they delude themselves into thinking they can do it better.

Oral Roberts, Liberty Univ., and others you have mention are Christian related and they advertise themselves out as such. Harvard, is supposed to not represent a particular agenda, but as pointed out, it discourages discourse that is not "politically correct". Okay to touch Muslim practices and point out the benefits of that religion while excluding any presentation of Christianity? I wouldn't support it if it was the opposite either.

As this article presents, a university should be for the open expression of all ideas.

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May 15, 2014 20:12:30   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
lpnmajor wrote:
No, I'm saying Christian schools, for the most part, are using tax loopholes and religious freedoms to teach kids politics. The, so called, separation of Church and State should work both ways, but it doesn't. " give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and Give unto God that which is God's" it did not say " give unto Ceasar that which you decide is Ceasar's, because I have given you special dispensation to do so "

" Churches" " are just another special interest group, looking to meddle in politics for their own purposes. I believe that if they do so, they should lose their tax exempt status. They'd have a fit.
No, I'm saying Christian schools, for the most par... (show quote)


I believe your understanding of what is Caesar's and what is God's is skewered.

God created Government:
to 1) maintain order and administer justice, through taxes, policemen, courts, and prison;
2) protect a nation's sovereignty, through border guards, the coastguard
and national guard;
3) to protect the nation from foreign attack through diplomacy and a strong military.

The Constitution says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Article Ten of the Bill of Rights reserves power over anything not specifically granted to the Federal government to the states and to the people.

The Federal government has no right to be meddling in our schools.

There should be no concept of public or private. All schools should be locally administered, by parents and wh**ever duly elected local Boards of Education they deem fit.

There are no for-profit-making churches. They are not businesses. They should not need tax exemptions. Common sense, when it still existed, would have recognized that.

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May 15, 2014 22:16:22   #
Serenity54321
 
Zemirah wrote:
The Closing of the Collegiate Mind: Opponents of free speech have chalked up many campus victories lately as ideological conformity marches on.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303701304579550340222538088?mod=Opinion_newsreel_1

By Ruth R. Wisse
May 11, 2014 5:18 p.m. ET

There was a time when people looking for intellectual debate turned away from politics to the university. Political backrooms bred slogans and bagmen; universities fostered educated discussion.

But when students in the 1960s began occupying university property like the thugs of regimes America was fighting abroad, the venues gradually reversed. Open debate is now protected only in the polity: In universities, muggers prevail.

Assaults on intellectual and political freedom have been making headlines. Pressure from faculty egged on by Muslim groups induced Brandeis University last month not to grant Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the proponent of women's rights under Islam, an intended honorary degree at its convocation.

This was a replay of 1994, when Brandeis faculty demanded that trustees rescind their decision to award an honorary degree to Jeane Kirkpatrick, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. In each case, a faculty cabal joined by (let us charitably say) ignorant students promoted the value of repression over the values of America's liberal democracy.

Opponents of free speech have lately chalked up many such victories: New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly prevented from speaking at Brown University in November; a lecture by Charles Murray canceled by Azusa Pacific University in April; Condoleezza Rice, former secretary of state and national-security adviser under the George W. Bush administration, harassed earlier this month into declining the invitation by Rutgers University to address this year's convocation.

Most painful to me was the Harvard scene several years ago when the Committee on Degrees in Social Studies, celebrating its 50th anniversary, accepted a donation in honor of its former head tutor Martin Peretz, whose contributions to the university include the chair in Yiddish I have been privileged to hold.

His enemies on campus generated a "party against Marty" that forced him to walk a gauntlet of jeering students for having allegedly offended Islam, while putting others on notice that they had best not be perceived guilty of association with him.

Universities have not only failed to stand up to those who limit debate, they have played a part in encouraging them. The modish commitment to so-called diversity replaces the ideal of guaranteed equal treatment of individuals with guaranteed group preferences in hiring and curricular offerings.

Females and members of visible minorities are given handicaps (as in golf). Courses are devised to inculcate in students the core lesson that (in the words of one recent graduate, writing online at the Huffington Post) "harmful structural inequalities persist on the basis of class, race, sex, sexual orientation, and g****r identity in the U.S."

On too many campuses, as in a funhouse mirror, ideological commitment to diversity has brought about its opposite: ideological hegemony, which is much more harmful to the life of the mind than the alleged structural inequalities that social engineering set out to correct.

In 1995 I participated in a campus debate on affirmative action that drew so much student interest it had to be rerouted to Harvard's largest auditorium. This year I was asked by a student group to participate in a debate on modern feminism. Though I am not hotly engaged in the subject, I agreed and waited for confirmation, thinking it might be fun to consider a women's movement that has never graduated from sisterhood to motherhood.

There followed several emails apologizing for the delay and finally a message acknowledging that no one could be found to take the pro-feminist side. Evidently, one of those asked had responded: "What is there to debate?" No wonder those who admit no legitimate opposition to their ideas feel duty-bound to shut down unwelcome speakers.

Because conservative students do not take over buildings or drown others out with their shouting, instructors feel free to mock conservatives in the classroom, and administrators pay scant attention when their posters are torn down or their sensibilities offended.

As a tenured professor who does not decline the label "conservative," I benefit from this imbalance by getting to know some of the feistiest students on campus.

But these students need and deserve every encouragement from outside their closed and claustrophobic environs. As one of them put it to me, "There's more faculty interest in climate control than in the Western canon."

M**************m guarantees that courses on Islam highlight all the good that can be said of Muhammad and the Quran, but there is no comparable academic commitment to reinvigorating the foundational teachings of American liberal democracy or to strengthening the legacy bequeathed to us by "dead white males."

So far the university culture has not been able to destroy the two-party system, but its influence on the current administration in Washington gives some sense of what may lie ahead unless small "d" democrats—which these days means mostly conservatives—begin to take back the campus.

Through patient but persistent means, they ought to help students introduce speakers, debates, demands for courses and all the intellectual firepower they can muster in favor of American exceptionalism, the moral advantages of a free economy and the need to protect democracy from enemies we are not afraid to name.

In short, let the university become as contentious as Congress. In Nigeria, Islamists think nothing of seizing hundreds of schoolgirls for the crime of aspiring to an education.

Here in the United States, the educated class thinks nothing of denying an honorary degree to a fearless Muslim woman who at peril of her life, and in the name of liberal democracy, has insisted on exposing such outrages to the light. The struggle for freedom is universal; would that our universities were on its side.
The Closing of the Collegiate Mind: Opponents of f... (show quote)




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It is refreshing to see an article written in real English. I get tired of the eighth grade reading level.

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May 16, 2014 05:08:20   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Serenity54321 wrote:
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It is refreshing to see an article written in real English. I get tired of the eighth grade reading level.


Serenity, It is a frightening fact that many high school graduates now read at a sixth grade level.

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May 16, 2014 06:23:49   #
Serenity54321
 
Zemirah wrote:
Serenity, It is a frightening fact that many high school graduates now read at a sixth grade level.


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I doubt many High School graduates could state what the title of this thread means. They are unable to listen to an entire song through without getting impatient. That in and of itself closes the collegiate mind. Students can't debate if they can't think.

I went through my grandmother's books when she passed away. In perusing the contents, I discovered school readers from 1935. A 5th grade student reader in those days would, no doubt, be considered a High School
Reader today. I was impressed with my grandmothers education, and she was a poor girl raised on a farm.

Small wonder students today have closed minds, unbending to change and arrogant in mindset. Neither teachers, parents, or books have challenged their thought process long enough to critically think.

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May 16, 2014 09:19:26   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Zemirah wrote:
I believe your understanding of what is Caesar's and what is God's is skewered.

God created Government:
to 1) maintain order and administer justice, through taxes, policemen, courts, and prison;
2) protect a nation's sovereignty, through border guards, the coastguard
and national guard;
3) to protect the nation from foreign attack through diplomacy and a strong military.

The Constitution says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Article Ten of the Bill of Rights reserves power over anything not specifically granted to the Federal government to the states and to the people.

The Federal government has no right to be meddling in our schools.

There should be no concept of public or private. All schools should be locally administered, by parents and wh**ever duly elected local Boards of Education they deem fit.

There are no for-profit-making churches. They are not businesses. They should not need tax exemptions. Common sense, when it still existed, would have recognized that.
I believe your understanding of what is Caesar's a... (show quote)


Apparently your experience is limited.

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May 16, 2014 09:48:40   #
Serenity54321
 
lpnmajor wrote:
No, I'm saying Christian schools, for the most part, are using tax loopholes and religious freedoms to teach kids politics. The, so called, separation of Church and State should work both ways, but it doesn't. " give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and Give unto God that which is God's" it did not say " give unto Ceasar that which you decide is Ceasar's, because I have given you special dispensation to do so "

" Churches" " are just another special interest group, looking to meddle in politics for their own purposes. I believe that if they do so, they should lose their tax exempt status. They'd have a fit.
No, I'm saying Christian schools, for the most par... (show quote)


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All schools teach children politics. If they teach history, they teach politics. It does not matter if they are public or private. The only issue here is whether or not the parents agree with the politics the public schools are currently teaching.

If you think public schools do not teach politics, you have not been in a classroom for awhile.

You are upset not that private schools teach politics, rather you are annoyed that they teach a political view different from your own.

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May 16, 2014 09:52:46   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Zemirah wrote:
Serenity, It is a frightening fact that many high school graduates now read at a sixth grade level.


...and even scarier, they give you a driving license, because you reason like a sixth grader...

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May 16, 2014 09:54:25   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Serenity54321 wrote:
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All schools teach children politics. If they teach history, they teach politics. It does not matter if they are public or private. The only issue here is whether or not the parents agree with the politics the public schools are currently teaching.

If you think public schools do not teach politics, you have not been in a classroom for awhile.

You are upset not that private schools teach politics, but only that they teach a political view different from your own.


You don't even know what my political view is, so that was a dumb statement. What concerns me is teaching only ONE political view and combining it with religion. These schools do not allow any other viewpoint to be discussed. Politics MUST be taught, but NOT ideology.

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