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May 14, 2014 15:42:11   #
Patty
 
Id buy Ukrainian Bonds but they aren't backed by a stable currency.
"Ukraine Just Issued $1 Billion Bonds Backed By The US Taxpayer

The bailout floodgates are open and the US taxpayer is footing the bill once again - whether through IMF loans or more directly. Today saw Ukraine issue $1 Billion 5-Year Notes at a stunningly low risk of only 28bps above US Treasuries and dramatically cheaper than the cost of capital in the public markets (and from the IMF) which yield over 10%. The reason for the 1) low cost, and 2) actual ability to raise debt... the bond is guaranteed by the US Agency for International Development and "assures full repayment of principal and interest" based on the full faith and credit of the US (Taxpayer). We assume Gazprom will be happy...

•*UKRAINE $1B 5Y NOTES LAUNCH AT +28
So why not pile into these bonds? 28 extra basis points for no apparent additional credit risk... some liquidity risk but we are sure your friendly local central bank will enable you to swap them for infinitely rehypothecatable cash with no haircut...

They're gonna need moar... (and this does not include Gazprom)
Oh and Ukraine says "thanks America"... (as WSJ reports)
"The $1 billion loan guarantee that (U.S. Agency for International Development) will implement will help the government of Ukraine access capital at reasonable rates and manage the t***sition to a prosperous democracy," Mark Feierstein, assistant administrator at USAID, said in April.

"The guarantee assures investors of full repayment of principal and interest."

The deal follows similar guarantees provided for bonds issued by Tunisia in 2012 and Jordan last year.

But - there is a catch...
Bank of America Merrill Lynch said Tuesday that Ukraine's bondholders could face losses if separatists in the country's southeastern regions successfully gain independence.
The bank said a breakup of the country could potentially force the International Monetary Fund to tear up Ukraine's current $17 billion aid package and trigger a debt restructuring program that would hit private investors. An IMF spokesperson said the fund is monitoring the situation.

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May 14, 2014 16:30:16   #
JimMe
 
AnnMarie wrote:
http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/25/barack-obama/obama-says-deficit-falling-fastest-rate-60-years/


Look... I use the USA Treasury's Daily Figures for the TOTAL DEBT & break the figures into Monthly & Yearly Totals...

For FY 2013 (Oct 1st 2012 thru Sept 30th 2013) the USA Debt for the Year was $671.942 Billion & the TOTAL DEBT WAS $16.738 Trillion...

For the First 7 Months of FY 2014 (Oct 1st 2013 thru April 20th 2014) the USA Debt for the Year is $710.254 Billion & the TOTAL DEBT IS $17.508 Trillion...

The USA Debt in FY 2014 - In Its First 7 Months - is ALREADY $98.312 Billion GREATER THAN ALL OF FY 2013...

Don't go Showing Links from July 2013 to try & Prove a Point that Our Yearly Debt is Decreasing When IT'S OBVIOUS - if You Do a Minimum of Research - Proves Our Yearly OverSpending is Once Again INCREASING...

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May 14, 2014 16:44:25   #
Liberty Tree
 
JimMe wrote:
Look... I use the USA Treasury's Daily Figures for the TOTAL DEBT & break the figures into Monthly & Yearly Totals...

For FY 2013 (Oct 1st 2012 thru Sept 30th 2013) the USA Debt for the Year was $671.942 Billion & the TOTAL DEBT WAS $16.738 Trillion...

For the First 7 Months of FY 2014 (Oct 1st 2013 thru April 20th 2014) the USA Debt for the Year is $710.254 Billion & the TOTAL DEBT IS $17.508 Trillion...

The USA Debt in FY 2014 - In Its First 7 Months - is ALREADY $98.312 Billion GREATER THAN ALL OF FY 2013...

Don't go Showing Links from July 2013 to try & Prove a Point that Our Yearly Debt is Decreasing When IT'S OBVIOUS - if You Do a Minimum of Research - Proves Our Yearly OverSpending is Once Again INCREASING...
Look... I use the USA Treasury's Daily Figures for... (show quote)


Thanks for the info. Facts are a nasty thing for some people, aren't they?

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May 14, 2014 17:09:39   #
JimMe
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Thanks for the info. Facts are a nasty thing for some people, aren't they?


Sometimes even I get "Biten" by FACTS... When I Spout using Someone's Post or Blog without Investigating...

I'm an NCIS Fan... They're Constantly Stating... "Trust NO ONE... VERIFY, VERIFY, VERIFY..."

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May 14, 2014 18:10:57   #
Liberty Tree
 
JimMe wrote:
Sometimes even I get "Biten" by FACTS... When I Spout using Someone's Post or Blog without Investigating...

I'm an NCIS Fan... They're Constantly Stating... "Trust NO ONE... VERIFY, VERIFY, VERIFY..."


That is why when some post a link to some group providing info I always check it out to see who their supporters are.

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May 14, 2014 18:32:49   #
son of witless
 
Patty wrote:
I had wondered last month when they announced that Belgium had bought up all those treasury bonds how that was possible. He explains how they did it here. You cant believe a word they say any longer. You know who else is good at explaining the MSM headlines that never make any sense is Pam Martens but she wants people to sign up for her free newsletter and has duplication restrictions so I cant post them. Dr Roberts is happy when his articles are passed around.


I remember the millions of jobs Obama saved or created. Don't think he saved any dollars, but he sure as hell has created $ Trillions in new dollars.

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May 14, 2014 18:40:38   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
son of witless wrote:
I remember the millions of jobs Obama saved or created. Don't think he saved any dollars, but he sure as hell has created $ Trillions in new dollars.


Yep, he created an untold number of jobs in the Federal Government.

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May 14, 2014 18:58:55   #
Artemis
 
Hartbreaker wrote:
Wow, first you inflate the numbers to the nth degree and then whenyou take credit for it. Yep, typical Obama, blame others for his actions and take credit for others.





Republicans stop your gigantic spending spree,

Ba,hahahah, try that in reverse.

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May 14, 2014 19:43:17   #
jjb2012
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Thanks for the info. Facts are a nasty thing for some people, aren't they?


There is a difference between budget deficits and our entire Debt.

The Budget deficits are on the decline. Are we running a surplus or reducing our Debt?? NO

And we have not since before Nixon , we were close during Clinton's terms but not before or since

There is a real danger of slowing the economy by using too much austerity. Just look at Europe.

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May 14, 2014 20:19:11   #
son of witless
 
jjb2012 wrote:
There is a difference between budget deficits and our entire Debt.

The Budget deficits are on the decline. Are we running a surplus or reducing our Debt?? NO

And we have not since before Nixon , we were close during Clinton's terms but not before or since

There is a real danger of slowing the economy by using too much austerity. Just look at Europe.


Europe is not hurting because of austerity. I have heard that argument on left wing blogs for awhile now. Europe is hurting because they are further down the Socialist sliding board to ruin than we are.

But indeed " Just look at Europe ". On energy and health care you lefties have been scolding the rest of us for a decade. Yeppir, " Just look at Europe ". Why suddenly are you slamming your socialist heroes?

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May 14, 2014 21:41:08   #
jjb2012
 
son of witless wrote:
Europe is not hurting because of austerity. I have heard that argument on left wing blogs for awhile now. Europe is hurting because they are further down the Socialist sliding board to ruin than we are.

But indeed " Just look at Europe ". On energy and health care you lefties have been scolding the rest of us for a decade. Yeppir, " Just look at Europe ". Why suddenly are you slamming your socialist heroes?


Europe went back into recession the minute they tried austerity and is fighting to get out. What does austerity cause?? A reduction in consumer purchasing power and any economy that is consumer driven, such as ours will be hurt by austerity. Even the CBO says austerity will slow the economy
Quote:

In fiscal year 2013, by CBO’s estimates, federal revenues will rise and outlays will decline as shares of gross domestic product (GDP), resulting in a federal budget deficit equal to about 5.3 percent of GDP (compared with 7.0 percent last year). The fiscal policies that reduce the deficit will lead to less demand for goods and services, thereby holding down economic growth this year, as CBO reported in The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2013 to 2023. If not for that fiscal tightening, CBO estimates, economic growth in 2013 would be roughly 1½ percentage points faster than the 1.4 percent real (inflation-adjusted) growth that the agency now projects, under current laws, from the fourth quarter of calendar year 2012 to the fourth quarter of 2013.
br In fiscal year 2013, by CBO’s estimates, fede... (show quote)


Now who gets hurt by austerity? Workers , the very same people that have seen stagnate wage growth since you great buddy Reagan.

Here is what happens when austerity is forced on workers.



Healthcare Why have healthcare costs increased dramatically over the last 34 years?? The costs have outpaced inflation why?/

Well lets go back to your good buddy the SOCIALIST Reagan that in 1986 passed a law that forced hospitals to give emergency treatment to anyone including I******s care when they show up at the emergency rooms which has been the single biggest contributor to increased costs.

So please tell me more about how the lefties are the problem.

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May 15, 2014 01:13:11   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
imbobbyc wrote:
Did I just enter the TWILIGHT ZONE!


The Twilight Kingdom!

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May 15, 2014 01:14:16   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
Great to know that debt is not a problem and really is an asset!!!
However, apparently some dumb book keeper in the government doesn't realize we are building assets and reports the amount of interest the government is paying each year. You probably need to explain to them they need to remove this from the liability column and re report it under assets! You know how dumb those accountants are. Now if I can only get my banker to understand that debt is really an asset I will be set for life. Now I understand the democratic method of balanced budget. Who said you can't spend your way out of debt!!!
Great to know that debt is not a problem and reall... (show quote)


What a relief! Eh? :roll:

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May 15, 2014 01:16:56   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Ricko wrote:
marvinsussman-is it not true that the only reason the US is not totally bankrupt is that we print some 67billion per month in new money? What happens to your theory if the EURO or some other currency becomes the worlds reserve currency in lieu of the dollar ? Is it not true that China, India and other countries are forming alliances to allow them to trade goods using their own currency rather than the US dollar as a basis? What happens when other countries decide we are no longer a good credit risk and stop buying our debt ? Even a novice like myself can see that the house of cards comes tumbling down. The federal government,like any other smaller government, needs a balanced budget. I agree that some debt is OK but it has to be manageable. Our debt is beyond that point. Good Luck America !!!
marvinsussman-is it not true that the only reason ... (show quote)


It's only a matter of time, and then all the smarts of the currency monkeys will be worth less than the worthless dollar.

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May 15, 2014 13:07:56   #
JimMe
 
son of witless wrote:
I remember the millions of jobs Obama saved or created. Don't think he saved any dollars, but he sure as hell has created $ Trillions in new dollars.


What "millions of jobs" has Pres Obama's programs generated?!? There are fewer people working today than when he took office...

And as far as Pres Obama "created $ Trillions in new dollars"...

I took the FY 2009 Revenue Total from the USA Treasury Dept (Pres Bush's last FY Spending) & it was $2.104 Trillion... Pres Obama's FY 2013 (the last complete FY so far for His Admin) was $2.773 Trillion... A Solid Increase of $669 Billion, but nowhere near even $1 Trillion...

I then took Individual Yearly Increases in Revenues during Pres Obama's Admin as a Cross-Check & come-up with an Increase of $669 Billion again...

So, while generating $669 Billion in New Revenues, the Treasury Dept Shows Pres Obama has in His first 4 Years (FY 2010-thru-FY2013) INCREASED OUR USA DEBT BY $4.828 Trillion or a NET LOSE OF $4.159 Trillion...

From 2009 thru 2013, the USA Labor Dept reports an Increase in Employees of 4.052 Million Workers... However, they also report a DECREASE IN THE LABOR FORCE OF 9.631 MILLION WORKERS... That's a NET LOSE OF 5.579 MILLION WORKERS...

At least that's what Pres Obama's Treasury & Labor Depts are Reporting...

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