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May 13, 2014 22:43:12   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
clarkwv wrote:
I really find it interesting you can see into my mind as to what I am thinking, I asked the question for the simple reason when you look up the meaning of inalienable, God does not enter into the meaning.

But I have another question to those of you who feel these are God given rights and as we in this country are to recognize all religions what God are you talking about gave us those rights?


If something exist that can't be taken away it has to be supernatural.
The God who gave these rights is the one who created all there is.
But once again, I'm thinking from the way you asked, this will not be the answer you are looking for. And again, if I am wrong I apologize. If I am right as they say nothing ventured nothing gained.

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May 13, 2014 22:47:54   #
rumitoid
 
It is totally ridiculous to think that there are not those who are more discerning than others. Some people have eidetic memory, total and accurate recall of events and most everything they encounter. Although eyewitness testimony is usually faulty, there may be among that crowd someone who perfectly remembers the events. Perfectly! No shades or biases. To dismiss the entire human population as having not the eyes to see through any other lens but "bias confirmation" is to render t***h relative and humanity pathetically blind.

This insistence of bias conformation for all with vision is an excuse for the myopic to gain e******y or dismiss any clear sight. In effect saying, "Hey, what I see is just a good as what they see." No! The dynamic here is not a dismissal of others, as well as their personal beliefs and values, due to a "superior eye" but just the simple fact that some people see more accurately than others. Trouble is, most of us feel that is the t***h of our own vision.

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May 13, 2014 22:53:51   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
rumitoid wrote:
It is totally ridiculous to think that there are not those who are more discerning than others. Some people have eidetic memory, total and accurate recall of events and most everything they encounter. Although eyewitness testimony is usually faulty, there may be among that crowd someone who perfectly remembers the events. Perfectly! No shades or biases. To dismiss the entire human population as having not the eyes to see through any other lens but "bias confirmation" is to render t***h relative and humanity pathetically blind.

This insistence of bias conformation for all with vision is an excuse for the myopic to gain e******y or dismiss any clear sight. In effect saying, "Hey, what I see is just a good as what they see." No! The dynamic here is not a dismissal of others, as well as their personal beliefs and values, due to a "superior eye" but just the simple fact that some people see more accurately than others. Trouble is, most of us feel that is the t***h of our own vision.
It is totally ridiculous to think that there are n... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 13, 2014 23:19:32   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Armageddun wrote:
If something exist that can't be taken away it has to be supernatural.
The God who gave these rights is the one who created all there is.
But once again, I'm thinking from the way you asked, this will not be the answer you are looking for. And again, if I am wrong I apologize. If I am right as they say nothing ventured nothing gained.


I believe based on history of the founders, they were seeing and understanding there intent from wisdom found in the pages of Gods written word.
The wisdom of man is but folly to God,
Therefore the wisdom of Gods word, is but folly to the unbeliever

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May 13, 2014 23:23:59   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Oh, Bulls**t cried the sailor this is not true love let's phuck.
What you wrote Preachfuzz sounds good and everyone should go for it.
The cops are among the first I would suspect of lying as with the media, red cross, government, politicians, ministers, priests, professors and teachers, parents (ever watch Leno on the street?), social workers, government employees,


Preachfuzz wrote:
I am a lover of real T***H. Not the generic, ever changing brand of information labeled t***h, that has nothing to do with what actually happened, but the kind of t***h that accurately describes the essence of the event. This my friends is the social media that is on the endangered species list today.

Men and women of ill will have been poaching this disappearing animal in record nimbers for the last 80 years. Since the issuing of the Humanist Manifesto in 1933, the academic professionals of America's institutions of higher learning were told that that it was okay to lie and not feel guilty about violating one of nature's laws that keeps society civil.

If our constitutional rights are deemed to be inalienable, that is God given, then no one should be able to take them away from us if the God of nature issued them to us. Then along comes a word poacher who reminds us of the serpant in the Garden of Eden, that shouts to us, Hath God really said that you have a right to expect men and women to speak the t***h?" For some strange reason I do expect everyone to tell the t***h. But serving as a cop the past 25 years I know that a t***hful person is a rare bird indeed.

Our Fonnders loved t***h because they knew what it was like to live under the kind of tyranny that defined t***h for everyone and forced them to accept the ever changing defination.

The Humanist Manifesto of 1933 basically said the the God of nature the Constiutional Framers invoked was not needed any longer because He was out of step with post modern man. So now the Humanists (atheistic socialists) free from the laws of Nature's God slaughtered the t***h with a weapon they borrowed from the serpant in the Garden of Eden. It was called a Lie.

Since t***h is what makes us act like respectable and civil human beings, we embrace it and live by its principles. We do so to make our free society a place where it's free citizens can practice life, liberty , and the pursuit of happiness, all made possible because of the abundance of t***h in our midst. But something has changed. No longer can the average person be trusted to tell the t***h, because they were taught that Nature's God is dead and they don't have to live by those restrictive, out dated rules.

Embracing the t***h and always telling the t***h is a sign of a good heart. T***h makes us trustable while everyone else is lying. But t***h is not user friendly until you align yourself with it. This is what the word poachers of our day do not want to do. It makes them accountable to tell what actually happened, so they slaughter the t***h with another bullet from the gun of lies. :-(
I am a lover of real T***H. Not the generic, ever ... (show quote)

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May 13, 2014 23:32:35   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Oh, Bulls**t cried the sailor this is not true love let's phuck.
What you wrote Preachfuzz sounds good and everyone should go for it.
The cops are among the first I would suspect of lying as with the media, red cross, government, politicians, ministers, priests, professors and teachers, parents (ever watch Leno on the street?), social workers, government employees,


Ron Who do you trust :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Not even the garbage man :?: :?: :?: :mrgreen:

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May 13, 2014 23:45:44   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
I believe based on history of the founders, they were seeing and understanding there intent from wisdom found in the pages of Gods written word.
The wisdom of man is but folly to God,
Therefore the wisdom of Gods word, is but folly to the unbeliever


Jack: My friend...you just hit a home run!!! :thumbup:

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May 13, 2014 23:45:44   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
I believe based on history of the founders, they were seeing and understanding there intent from wisdom found in the pages of Gods written word.
The wisdom of man is but folly to God,
Therefore the wisdom of Gods word, is but folly to the unbeliever


Jack: My friend...you just hit a home run!!! :thumbup:

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May 13, 2014 23:53:12   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Jack: My friend...you just hit a home run!!! :thumbup:


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 14, 2014 02:16:08   #
Ricktloml
 
Preachfuzz wrote:
I am a lover of real T***H. Not the generic, ever changing brand of information labeled t***h, that has nothing to do with what actually happened, but the kind of t***h that accurately describes the essence of the event. This my friends is the social media that is on the endangered species list today.

Men and women of ill will have been poaching this disappearing animal in record nimbers for the last 80 years. Since the issuing of the Humanist Manifesto in 1933, the academic professionals of America's institutions of higher learning were told that that it was okay to lie and not feel guilty about violating one of nature's laws that keeps society civil.

If our constitutional rights are deemed to be inalienable, that is God given, then no one should be able to take them away from us if the God of nature issued them to us. Then along comes a word poacher who reminds us of the serpant in the Garden of Eden, that shouts to us, Hath God really said that you have a right to expect men and women to speak the t***h?" For some strange reason I do expect everyone to tell the t***h. But serving as a cop the past 25 years I know that a t***hful person is a rare bird indeed.

Our Fonnders loved t***h because they knew what it was like to live under the kind of tyranny that defined t***h for everyone and forced them to accept the ever changing defination.

The Humanist Manifesto of 1933 basically said the the God of nature the Constiutional Framers invoked was not needed any longer because He was out of step with post modern man. So now the Humanists (atheistic socialists) free from the laws of Nature's God slaughtered the t***h with a weapon they borrowed from the serpant in the Garden of Eden. It was called a Lie.

Since t***h is what makes us act like respectable and civil human beings, we embrace it and live by its principles. We do so to make our free society a place where it's free citizens can practice life, liberty , and the pursuit of happiness, all made possible because of the abundance of t***h in our midst. But something has changed. No longer can the average person be trusted to tell the t***h, because they were taught that Nature's God is dead and they don't have to live by those restrictive, out dated rules.

Embracing the t***h and always telling the t***h is a sign of a good heart. T***h makes us trustable while everyone else is lying. But t***h is not user friendly until you align yourself with it. This is what the word poachers of our day do not want to do. It makes them accountable to tell what actually happened, so they slaughter the t***h with another bullet from the gun of lies. :-(
I am a lover of real T***H. Not the generic, ever ... (show quote)


Yes the father of lies is the serpent himself, it does take effort to seek and tell the t***h, lies are the easy and cowardly way to conduct yourself

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May 14, 2014 09:50:59   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
bahmer wrote:
As you said everybody has a bias based on their age, g****r, color, religion etc. The nice thing that Walter Cronkite and Mike Wallace did is to report exactly what happened and who said what. Even though they both had their own political persuasion it wasn't evident in their news cast as we were allowed to draw our own conclusions. We weren't told what to think or how to react to a story. We were given pretty much "the facts maam just the facts" and then allowed to come to our own conclusions based on all of the things in us that makes us unique and different. Today everything comes with a bias already built in as if we were incapable of thinking for ourselves and this is very demeaning and juvenile to think that their opinion is any better than mine or yours.
As you said everybody has a bias based on their ag... (show quote)


The problem today is that we have people who are not real journalists posing as such and providing entertainment that pretends to be news. A real journalist, even the TV kind, investigates stories or supervises trusted subordinates to investigate them and reports the "the facts, maam, just the facts." What we have today in abundance, especially on the internet, are people who just read others' stories and embellish them to make them their own, usually adding enough sensationalism to them to make their faithful readers keep coming back for more. Hence, the "media bubbles" or "echo chambers" that make money every time someone visits their sites. It's not always easy to distinguish them from sites you can trust, but if you poke around in them a little, you can usually tell.

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May 14, 2014 11:29:35   #
bahmer
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
The problem today is that we have people who are not real journalists posing as such and providing entertainment that pretends to be news. A real journalist, even the TV kind, investigates stories or supervises trusted subordinates to investigate them and reports the "the facts, maam, just the facts." What we have today in abundance, especially on the internet, are people who just read others' stories and embellish them to make them their own, usually adding enough sensationalism to them to make their faithful readers keep coming back for more. Hence, the "media bubbles" or "echo chambers" that make money every time someone visits their sites. It's not always easy to distinguish them from sites you can trust, but if you poke around in them a little, you can usually tell.
The problem today is that we have people who are n... (show quote)


Forgive my memory here, but it was either last Christmas, or the Friday after Thanksgiving, a report came out on the Associated Press. There was a website that showed all three networks repeat almost word for word the press release, but also in various locals in their local news they did exactly the same. If it wasn't so sad it would have been funny. I think that a lot of the political news is the same way. We used to have the Walter Cronkite and Mike Wallace type people of that era that presented their stories without bias. Not only that but they each tried to outdo the other one and get the best story or a different angle. They each worked to get the inside scoop and they were all different, now every one reads the same report like a robot.

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May 14, 2014 11:42:49   #
Comment Loc: California
 
rumitoid wrote:
T***h speaks most clearly in the silence of self, and anything else is the gibberish of vanity.

The only acid test for T***h is love in action, the rest is vanity.

It is popular and hailed as enlightened to say, "Create your own reality, meaning, and purpose: be wh**ever you want to be." This may be true but I see it differently. Who we are, as we are in essence, is far, far greater thatn anything we could ever make of ourselves of even dream to be. Why? Imago dei.
For me, there is far more t***h in one loving touch than in all the holy books ever written.

Reality is purely of the moment, making t***h too swift to be caught and yet ever still. We do not hold and express t***h; we are expressions of t***h, the relational wave breaking this instant; it has a total ambiance that is just beyond words, just beyond reason, and just beyond belief.

T***h is always brand spanking new, if it were not, we could not change and improve, there would be no maturing. So it is that each fresh nuance of t***h bears a different species of understanding.
Change and improvement are always a mystery.

T***h cannot be Dorothy''s ruby slippers or the Holy Grail or the Golden Fleece without the adventure.

Certainty is the weakest defense of t***h, for it make it an object and not a living process. Wonder and curiosity make a far better defense, for they are welcoming to t***h in all its many disguises and allow it to explain itself.

Error always holds a precious secret of t***h, so religion needs to be envious of our imperfection, for only there will the whole nature of T***h become clear. We do not plan for humiliations, failures, and losses, yet these can be the awful mercies of t***h, revealing far more about what is for our ultimate well-being than living a perfect and just life. T***h is alchemy, perpetually turning lead into gold and the reverse.

T***h is what expresses the exact nature of our existence. As God is love and we are made in his image, love is the essence of who we are. Ergo, Love is the language of T***h. As such, every era, place, and heart has the same interpretation of T***h, if it remains true to character. If you do not Love, you can not help but misinterpret the nature of your existence. Besides that, if you do not love..."you have nothing,,,you are nothing".
T***h speaks most clearly in the silence of self, ... (show quote)


Hell! Rumi: I don't love anyone and I am t***hful, honest and trustworthy. I know what t***h is as I see it. T***h is to me what it may not be to anyone else. A person who is in a delusional state see his delusions as t***h but, to everyone else his t***h is delusional. What you have posted is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. I h**e to tell ya. I have studied a lot of philosophy and philosophers ramble on and on with mombo jumbo until the conclude what a concept, word, ect is. Sometimes a few words will adequately explain something.

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