kemmer

Who’s resisting and protesting? I’m just laughing at your raving and bluster against an immutable fact of nature which you unhappily don’t understand.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

No, "this" is the entire goal of the Progressive philosophy and agenda. Every heresy always surrounded itself with false coverings and some t***hs to make it more credible and acceptable. Their main agenda is what we would call sexual freedom and it gives licence for all depravity and crude language to destroy the nation's morality and spirituality. They use the Constitution for additional cover by calling these things rights: a******n rights, marriage rights, women's rights, homosexual rights, etc., and no shallow thinking American can possibly be against so called human rights; forget anything about responsibilities, "my rights, my rights, my newly discovered rights!" It was no accident to take prayer out of school and replace it with putting condoms on bananas. It was also part of the progressive agenda to teach that homosexuality is normal, natural and healthy. Now we've even got 60 different g****rs to further confuse young people. Everything that was good about human sexuality progressives have intentionally perverted. When God created sex He created something very beautiful, very holy, truly worthy of Himself. He created it for a special relationship called marriage which He blessed then as He does now. And sex, like anything else, is fulfilling only when one follows the manufacturer's directions. How can Progressives believe they do good using Satan's tactics? They deny God and establish their State as God. God's T***h is never archaic although they would claim it out of place in their utopia.

The Progressive philosophy promises many things, free health care for all, a pristine environment, free education, peace and love, etc, etc, etc, and while they can never deliver you continue to believe they will. They gave you only the right to "amuse" yourself and future promises.

If you were about to drink something and were told it was poison I suggest that bit of information is not moderately important. You already drank the poison. Now you need the antidote.

JoyV

I have to disagree with you that homosexuality is unnatural. If it is found in nature other than humans, it can't be unnatural. Sexual intercourse between same sex animals, has been found in many species, both wild animals and domestic animals. Of course this is always a small percentage of individuals within the population. I've seen it personally in cattle. Here is an article on the subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

I am not a Christian so won't argue whether or not it is sinful or not. I have read what is said in Leviticus. But I do find it interesting that the things listed as a*********ns in Leviticus include:

The following is a list of things the Bible considers an a*********n:
Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
C***ting (Mic. 6:10)
Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18) See GayPrejudice.com
Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) See GayPrejudice.com
Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
C***ting others (Dt. 25:13-16)
Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)

But all that said, no one should be forced to celebrate, or attend a celebration, what is against their religion. For example the case of the florist. To provide the flower arrangements at a wedding require the florist to remain to removed wilted blooms and replace them. Simply selling the flowers is not the same thing. Creating a wedding cake specifically for a wedding is not the same as selling a cake already made in your shop. Refusing to sell to someone because of your religious beliefs is discrimination. Refusing to participate is not. Forcing someone to do so is discrimination. Imagine if those cases had been from Islamic shop owners.

kemmer

Oh puullleease! You are a master of absurd hyperbole! You continue to judge 21st century people by the standards of an ancient writer, who presumes to speak for God as he outlines his behavioral demands for his contemporary society.

Hahahaha... You’re funny.

Yup.

And in keeping with his blessing, we now enjoy same sex marriage so that people who for centuries have suffered persecution at the hands of people like you can fully express the love for another, which formerly could have gotten them k**led.

Whereas many evangelicals think they’re going to be “raptured into the clouds” momentarily so they don’t care what happens to the planet.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You judge the timeless wisdom of God by the t***sitory gratification of a momentary sexual climax. That feeling is the closest you ever will come to feeling godlike. You traded your heritage for that? And you call us ignorant, stupid and barbaric?

kemmer

Unlike YOUR godlike self? I can live with that.

kemmer

Well, maybe just ignorant and barbaric.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

No sir, you're going to die with that eternally unless.........

It's very telling that you attack me and I don't make the "rules" - turn your anger on God and see how far that gets you. You give proof to the t***h that the majority of atheist choose atheism to give themselves cover for their own behavior. You can run but you can't ever hide.

1ProudAmerican

The movie, "From Russia With Love" was on the BBC channel tonight. Wish I'd watched it, it probably had all the directions for Trump....(SARCASM)

kemmer

Your towering self righteousness probably makes you more enemies than friends.
Strange, although not surprising, that you consider everyone not sharing your primitive beliefs as atheists.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Yes, yes, yes how the heathen doth rage! Kemmer, given the choice between making friends and telling the T***h about homosexuality there isn't a moment's hesitation which I'd choose! Telling the T***h that is, unquestionably, not of my own personal making is not "towering self righteousness." On the other hand, placing yourself above God believing you can change God's word is the height of folly. All the railing and complaints you make changes nothing at all. You're like a child throwing a perpetual tantrum. Time and time again I've told you that if you choose to be homosexual you are exercising your free will. But that's not good enough for you. You want to challenge me to convince me to admit that homosexuality is normal, natural, healthy and sanctioned as a legitimate loving relationship by God. No! It is not and it will never be. Obviously you are having more difficulty living with your behavior than I am.

The language you use regarding God, scripture and sin leaves room for doubt about your belief system. However it is undeniable that the godless philosophy of the Progressive philosophy and agenda is an attractive draw for atheists, agnostics and those pseudo Christians who have relegated God into their democratic style religion where the people v**e on dogma and benevolently offer it up for the Almighty to accede. FYI, Jesus established a Kingdom not a democracy. Wise up!

kemmer

Perhaps there should be, because you no more know the t***h about homosexuality than a box of nail clippings.

Looking back on your filthy posts, I think an impartial observer would judge YOU to be the one given to tantrums.

You must be one of the last people in the US to still think one chooses one's sexuality.

I've never tried to challenge you into anything. You possess what philosophers call "invincible ignorance".

Wh**ever you think of my belief system is of the utmost indifference to me.

You're just a poor soul wallowing in self righteousness and--as I've said earlier--hurling anathemae on all those who don't share your primitive, and destructive beliefs.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

We both know that your real issue is not with me but with Christ who says engaging in homosexual sex is a sin. Stop acting as if I'm the one sitting in judgement of your behavior. I know you have a cross to bear that most do not but you bear it badly. There is no opinion poll or general public opinion that will change what is the t***h. I have been t***hful, you have not. There is no argument to be won or lost here, there is only T***h to be affirmed or denied. Jesus said you shall know the T***h and the T***h shall set you free. But you must do more than know the t***h; you must admit it, you must confess it, you must assume responsibility for it. Facing the T***h is essential to repentance and recovery. Christ is the T***h that sets us free from delusions, free from many false ideas about ourselves and others. But, as I have said to you time and time again, you possess the God given right to exercise your free will in any way you choose. Evidently you believe this is hurling anathema at you. I always thought of free will as a choice: choose God or choose something else.

You might consider reacquainting yourself with the term "invincible ignorance." But, as in all choice, you don't have to.

kemmer

Christ never said a single word about homosexuality. If you're gonna start up lying again, I'm outta here. My partner and I are driving down to San Francisco for dinner and the opera this evening, and I'll have no more time to play your stupid games. Find someone else to assure that God h**es them.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You tell lies with pure abandonment. If you live a lie I presume they become easier to tell. For the record, I never said God h**es you. Quite the opposite is true, God loves you more than you love yourself. Finally, if Jesus stood in front of you and told you homosecuality is a sin leading to death you'd tell Him something inappropriate too. This is called "Gay P***e."