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Jan 13, 2019 02:15:10   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
sisboombaa wrote:
So sorry to hear of your failed experiment. Hope you learned a lessen which is never ever follow advice from Kevyn. One wonders how many other people have been led astray by Kevyn only to suffer. Perhaps the government should pass a law requiring that Kevyn be covered with warning labels.


Love it... Belly laughs...

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Jan 13, 2019 02:42:36   #
Gatsby
 
cbpat1 wrote:
So after reading kevyns post on what certain locations all have in common, about high security places that have no walls, that I would put it to the test. I decided, that my backyard, with a six foot wooden wall, that I use as a barrier to keep my dogs safely secure, is r****t and needed to come down. So it took me all weekend, but, I took down my immoral wall, set up surveillance cameras, set up sonar, radar and a drone.

Next I slid open my sliding glass barrier from my house and let my three dogs, all Black Mouth Cur’s, into the backyard, to see how my new security system worked.

Well, before I knew it they were all about three houses down, running like hell, all in different directions. The surveillance cameras did absolutely nothing to stop them at all, I was shocked. The sonar failed and the radar was worthless as well. The drone hit a electric line and crashed and burned in my next door neighbors front yard.

My smallest dog, JB ran out in front of a car and got hit and had to be put down.

Maggie, my only female, bit the little boy down the street and now I am being sued.

Louie, the biggest male, got caught by the dog catcher and cost me $150.00 to get out of the doggie slammer.

All in all, I decided that walls really do work and put my six foot wooden wall back up in my back yard. Funny how in over twenty five years of having my six foot high wooden wall, I never had any of the several dogs we had in those many years ever get out of our back yard.

I think walls or fences or wh**ever you want to call them, really do work, and you would have to be pretty stupid to think they don’t.
So after reading kevyns post on what certain locat... (show quote)


Try to keep 100 cattle out of a 100 acres of corn, without a fence!

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Jan 13, 2019 06:11:01   #
Idaho
 
BBianch wrote:
Most undocumented immigrants in this country did not enter the U.S. at the Southern border.

And they didn't enter near the border town of McAllen, Texas, which the president visited Thursday during the 20th day of a partial government shutdown fought over constructing additional barriers on the Southern border.

When it comes to people in the country without proper documentation, the majority of them didn't cross the Mexican border at all. Most of them came to the United States legally — but then don't leave.

About 700,000 travelers to the United States overstayed their visas in fiscal 2017, the most recent year for which the Department of Homeland Security has published figures. DHS estimated that, as of Sept. 30, 2017, the end of that fiscal year, more than 600,000 of those travelers were still in the U.S.

During that same year, there were just 300,000 apprehensions along the Southern border, according to Customs and Border Protection — the lowest number since 1971.

Visa overstays have outnumbered people who enter the country illegally at the Southern border every year since 2007, according to a report by the Center for Migration Studies. The report's authors estimate that the number of total visa overstays was 600,000 more than the total number of border crossers and that in 2014, visa overstays accounted for two-thirds of all new undocumented immigrants.

Immigrants traveling through Mexico, of course, take up much of the public's attention on the issue of i*****l i*********n. And they do account for almost all people apprehended by CBP, which includes the Border Patrol. (Immigration and Customs Enforcement largely works in the interior of the country.)

Those caught by the U.S. government can apply for asylum if they can claim a credible fear that their lives would be in danger by returning to their home countries; some immigrants, in fact, turn themselves in to federal agents to do so.

"A growing percentage of border crossers in recent years have originated in the Northern Triangle states of Central America," wrote Robert Warren and Donald Kerwin of the Center for Migration Studies. "These migrants are fleeing pervasive violence, persecution and poverty, and a large number do not seek to evade arrest, but present themselves to border officials and request political asylum. Many are de facto refugees, not illegal border crossers," the authors wrote.

In 2017, the Border Patrol employed more than 19,000 agents, almost double the number in fiscal 2003. And the agency's budget grew from $263 million in 1990 to more $3.8 billion in 2016, according to the American Immigration Council. The budget for Customs and Border Protection — which includes the Border Patrol — has grown from $5.9 billion in 2003 to $13.2 billion in 2016.

At the same time, apprehensions at the Southern border have declined — from a high of more than 1.6 million in 2000 to just over 300,000 in 2017.

Does the wall deter crossings?

CBP data shows that the number of people that agents have caught has decreased across the board — not just in areas where the government constructed barriers.

Both the El Paso and Rio Grande sectors have physical barriers in place to prevent illegal crossings into the United States. Pedestrian fencing stretches to both sides of the city of El Paso in West Texas, with vehicle barriers along much of the rest of the New Mexico border. In south Texas, pedestrian fencing dots the area around McAllen and expands most of the way from there to the Gulf of Mexico.

The Tucson sector, which covers most of Arizona and is almost completely blocked by vehicle and pedestrian fencing, has seen a recent increase in apprehensions. In fiscal 2018, CBP caught about 52,000 people there, including an estimated 5,000 unaccompanied minors.

The sector of the Southwestern border with the fewest apprehensions, on the other hand, has almost no fencing. The Big Bend sector, starting in West Texas and extending about halfway down the state, is the largest individual sector guarded by CBP. The rough terrain of the mountain ranges and the Chihuahuan Desert make it a difficult place to cross. In fiscal 2018, CBP apprehended just 8,000 people there.

There is no southern border “crises” and an absence of any factual information supporting that claim.
Most undocumented immigrants in this country did n... (show quote)


Having read an article some weeks ago (sorry I don’t have the reference) I no longer believe the numbers being cited.

That article stated that when a caught illegal is given a court date and released, they are technically no longer in the country illegally. They have what amounts to a ‘visa’ until their court date. I******s who miss their court date are then counted under the heading of ‘overstayed their visa’.

I don’t know the t***h of that argument, though I do remember the article itself was plausible. My point being that I don’t think you can trust the official statistics in making an argument like this. I simple don’t think we can know from our vantage point.

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Jan 13, 2019 06:55:37   #
Patsaco1
 
cbpat1 wrote:
So after reading kevyns post on what certain locations all have in common, about high security places that have no walls, that I would put it to the test. I decided, that my backyard, with a six foot wooden wall, that I use as a barrier to keep my dogs safely secure, is r****t and needed to come down. So it took me all weekend, but, I took down my immoral wall, set up surveillance cameras, set up sonar, radar and a drone.

Next I slid open my sliding glass barrier from my house and let my three dogs, all Black Mouth Cur’s, into the backyard, to see how my new security system worked.

Well, before I knew it they were all about three houses down, running like hell, all in different directions. The surveillance cameras did absolutely nothing to stop them at all, I was shocked. The sonar failed and the radar was worthless as well. The drone hit a electric line and crashed and burned in my next door neighbors front yard.

My smallest dog, JB ran out in front of a car and got hit and had to be put down.

Maggie, my only female, bit the little boy down the street and now I am being sued.

Louie, the biggest male, got caught by the dog catcher and cost me $150.00 to get out of the doggie slammer.

All in all, I decided that walls really do work and put my six foot wooden wall back up in my back yard. Funny how in over twenty five years of having my six foot high wooden wall, I never had any of the several dogs we had in those many years ever get out of our back yard.

I think walls or fences or wh**ever you want to call them, really do work, and you would have to be pretty stupid to think they don’t.
So after reading kevyns post on what certain locat... (show quote)



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Jan 13, 2019 07:39:09   #
rk
 
cbpat1 wrote:
So after reading kevyns post on what certain locations all have in common, about high security places that have no walls, that I would put it to the test. I decided, that my backyard, with a six foot wooden wall, that I use as a barrier to keep my dogs safely secure, is r****t and needed to come down. So it took me all weekend, but, I took down my immoral wall, set up surveillance cameras, set up sonar, radar and a drone.

Next I slid open my sliding glass barrier from my house and let my three dogs, all Black Mouth Cur’s, into the backyard, to see how my new security system worked.

Well, before I knew it they were all about three houses down, running like hell, all in different directions. The surveillance cameras did absolutely nothing to stop them at all, I was shocked. The sonar failed and the radar was worthless as well. The drone hit a electric line and crashed and burned in my next door neighbors front yard.

My smallest dog, JB ran out in front of a car and got hit and had to be put down.

Maggie, my only female, bit the little boy down the street and now I am being sued.

Louie, the biggest male, got caught by the dog catcher and cost me $150.00 to get out of the doggie slammer.

All in all, I decided that walls really do work and put my six foot wooden wall back up in my back yard. Funny how in over twenty five years of having my six foot high wooden wall, I never had any of the several dogs we had in those many years ever get out of our back yard.

I think walls or fences or wh**ever you want to call them, really do work, and you would have to be pretty stupid to think they don’t.
So after reading kevyns post on what certain locat... (show quote)


But did your house get robbed?
Was your wife raped?
Did you have a child molested?
Was a family member hit by a stray bullet?
Was any food taken from your refrigerator?
Did any drug dealers enter your house to sell your children drugs?
I hope no bombs were exploded by any guests that may have entered your welcoming home.
Did you have a welcome signs posted in front of your house (Hill-Barry-Bernie campaign signs)?
.... or fly an ISIS f**g in front of your house to make guests feel welcome?

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Jan 13, 2019 07:48:46   #
cbpat1
 
sisboombaa wrote:
So sorry to hear of your failed experiment. Hope you learned a lessen which is never ever follow advice from Kevyn. One wonders how many other people have been led astray by Kevyn only to suffer. Perhaps the government should pass a law requiring that Kevyn be covered with warning labels.



Great idea!

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Jan 13, 2019 07:50:49   #
cbpat1
 
BBianch wrote:
Most undocumented immigrants in this country did not enter the U.S. at the Southern border.

And they didn't enter near the border town of McAllen, Texas, which the president visited Thursday during the 20th day of a partial government shutdown fought over constructing additional barriers on the Southern border.

When it comes to people in the country without proper documentation, the majority of them didn't cross the Mexican border at all. Most of them came to the United States legally — but then don't leave.

About 700,000 travelers to the United States overstayed their visas in fiscal 2017, the most recent year for which the Department of Homeland Security has published figures. DHS estimated that, as of Sept. 30, 2017, the end of that fiscal year, more than 600,000 of those travelers were still in the U.S.

During that same year, there were just 300,000 apprehensions along the Southern border, according to Customs and Border Protection — the lowest number since 1971.

Visa overstays have outnumbered people who enter the country illegally at the Southern border every year since 2007, according to a report by the Center for Migration Studies. The report's authors estimate that the number of total visa overstays was 600,000 more than the total number of border crossers and that in 2014, visa overstays accounted for two-thirds of all new undocumented immigrants.

Immigrants traveling through Mexico, of course, take up much of the public's attention on the issue of i*****l i*********n. And they do account for almost all people apprehended by CBP, which includes the Border Patrol. (Immigration and Customs Enforcement largely works in the interior of the country.)

Those caught by the U.S. government can apply for asylum if they can claim a credible fear that their lives would be in danger by returning to their home countries; some immigrants, in fact, turn themselves in to federal agents to do so.

"A growing percentage of border crossers in recent years have originated in the Northern Triangle states of Central America," wrote Robert Warren and Donald Kerwin of the Center for Migration Studies. "These migrants are fleeing pervasive violence, persecution and poverty, and a large number do not seek to evade arrest, but present themselves to border officials and request political asylum. Many are de facto refugees, not illegal border crossers," the authors wrote.

In 2017, the Border Patrol employed more than 19,000 agents, almost double the number in fiscal 2003. And the agency's budget grew from $263 million in 1990 to more $3.8 billion in 2016, according to the American Immigration Council. The budget for Customs and Border Protection — which includes the Border Patrol — has grown from $5.9 billion in 2003 to $13.2 billion in 2016.

At the same time, apprehensions at the Southern border have declined — from a high of more than 1.6 million in 2000 to just over 300,000 in 2017.

Does the wall deter crossings?

CBP data shows that the number of people that agents have caught has decreased across the board — not just in areas where the government constructed barriers.

Both the El Paso and Rio Grande sectors have physical barriers in place to prevent illegal crossings into the United States. Pedestrian fencing stretches to both sides of the city of El Paso in West Texas, with vehicle barriers along much of the rest of the New Mexico border. In south Texas, pedestrian fencing dots the area around McAllen and expands most of the way from there to the Gulf of Mexico.

The Tucson sector, which covers most of Arizona and is almost completely blocked by vehicle and pedestrian fencing, has seen a recent increase in apprehensions. In fiscal 2018, CBP caught about 52,000 people there, including an estimated 5,000 unaccompanied minors.

The sector of the Southwestern border with the fewest apprehensions, on the other hand, has almost no fencing. The Big Bend sector, starting in West Texas and extending about halfway down the state, is the largest individual sector guarded by CBP. The rough terrain of the mountain ranges and the Chihuahuan Desert make it a difficult place to cross. In fiscal 2018, CBP apprehended just 8,000 people there.

There is no southern border “crises” and an absence of any factual information supporting that claim.
Most undocumented immigrants in this country did n... (show quote)




Your so called facts are so pathetically wrong, it’s amusing.

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Jan 13, 2019 07:58:24   #
cbpat1
 
Kevyn?

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Jan 13, 2019 08:25:59   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
BBianch wrote:
Could you give me a source for your 30 million figure? and could we have a civil discussion without the name calling?


The numbers have been estimated by various groups with lows of eight to ten million to the high of thirty million. I am not going to go research what is common knowledge for you, do your own work. I stand by my statement that with an influx of thousands through our southern border monthly, to claim the majority of i******s overstay their visas is stupid. It denys reality.

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Jan 13, 2019 08:27:48   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Hadenough wrote:
Pafret,

Didn’t you know the 11 million illegal Mexicans are frequent flyers? That’s how they get their families up here, they use their miles for trips back and forth. They use the monetary assistance from the US taxpayers to go to Disneyland.

MAGA


I'll buy that for a dollar!

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Jan 13, 2019 08:44:57   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Idaho wrote:
Having read an article some weeks ago (sorry I don’t have the reference) I no longer believe the numbers being cited.

That article stated that when a caught illegal is given a court date and released, they are technically no longer in the country illegally. They have what amounts to a ‘visa’ until their court date. I******s who miss their court date are then counted under the heading of ‘overstayed their visa’.

I don’t know the t***h of that argument, though I do remember the article itself was plausible. My point being that I don’t think you can trust the official statistics in making an argument like this. I simple don’t think we can know from our vantage point.
Having read an article some weeks ago (sorry I don... (show quote)


I have seen that statement a few times but I don't remember where. It makes logical sense.

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Jan 13, 2019 08:53:01   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
cbpat1 wrote:
So after reading kevyns post on what certain locations all have in common, about high security places that have no walls, that I would put it to the test. I decided, that my backyard, with a six foot wooden wall, that I use as a barrier to keep my dogs safely secure, is r****t and needed to come down. So it took me all weekend, but, I took down my immoral wall, set up surveillance cameras, set up sonar, radar and a drone.

Next I slid open my sliding glass barrier from my house and let my three dogs, all Black Mouth Cur’s, into the backyard, to see how my new security system worked.

Well, before I knew it they were all about three houses down, running like hell, all in different directions. The surveillance cameras did absolutely nothing to stop them at all, I was shocked. The sonar failed and the radar was worthless as well. The drone hit a electric line and crashed and burned in my next door neighbors front yard.

My smallest dog, JB ran out in front of a car and got hit and had to be put down.

Maggie, my only female, bit the little boy down the street and now I am being sued.

Louie, the biggest male, got caught by the dog catcher and cost me $150.00 to get out of the doggie slammer.

All in all, I decided that walls really do work and put my six foot wooden wall back up in my back yard. Funny how in over twenty five years of having my six foot high wooden wall, I never had any of the several dogs we had in those many years ever get out of our back yard.

I think walls or fences or wh**ever you want to call them, really do work, and you would have to be pretty stupid to think they don’t.
So after reading kevyns post on what certain locat... (show quote)


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Jan 13, 2019 09:02:58   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
BBianch wrote:
Most undocumented immigrants in this country did not enter the U.S. at the Southern border.


“Most” isn’t the issue. “More than is acceptable” is.

So tell me, what number or percentage of human/sex traffickers, drug smugglers, murderers, etc coming across our southern borders would constitute an actual crisis? Now that you have that number in your head, would one less be entirely tolerable?

What if that one was your own daughter’s life?

Would you willingly sacrifice your own daughter rather than commit to the 1 tenth of 1 percent of the national budget the president is requesting to help keep her safe?

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Jan 13, 2019 09:11:21   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
BBianch wrote:
Could you give me a source for your 30 million figure? and could we have a civil discussion without the name calling?

The eleven million figure quoted by the government is nine years old, and reflects the last census. It is an estimate. There are just about 300,000 babies born to wetbacks in this country every year, and because of a deliberate misreading of the intent of the 14th Amendment, they have been granted birth citizenship and their parents are allowed to stay. This opens the door for chain migration. There have been more than 3 million babies born to i******s since the last census. About 60% of i******s are visa overstays.
People who overstay their visas by a couple of months are not the problem and never have been, (unless their wife, girlfriend or rent-a-puta happens to drop a brat on US soil.) While 30 million people is a bit much in my opinion, the number of i******s in this country is easily 20 million, and probably more. To put it in perspective, according to the US census, about 44 million people in this country identify as Hispanic. According to the government's own estimates there were, at the time of the census about 11 million i******s here. You don't think 25% of a demographic in this country being illegal is a problem?

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Jan 13, 2019 09:35:04   #
sisboombaa
 
pafret wrote:
The numbers have been estimated by various groups with lows of eight to ten million to the high of thirty million. I am not going to go research what is common knowledge for you, do your own work. I stand by my statement that with an influx of thousands through our southern border monthly, to claim the majority of i******s overstay their visas is stupid. It denys reality.


How would/could anyone calculate the number of i******s. Even if someone could the numbers would change daily. We do know the numbers are huge. There are flocks crossing the border every day. The amount on welfare can be counted but what percentage are illegal? How would they know who is illegal? Does the welfare rolls know? How do they know? Fact, there are i******s on our side of the border. One is too many. It is a situation that should be addressed. It's easy to pass a law but more difficult to enforce the law. My opinion is; if the law cannot be enforced uniformly get the law off the books. Should we remove all laws dealing with immigration it is common sense that tells us the U.S. will be doomed. That means we should do what ever is necessary to stop the migration that is in violation of our laws. What is going on now is a big sad joke on we citizens. The tax payers are paying through the nose and receiving little to nothing in the way of results. Build the damn wall. It's cheap at any price and may do some good. Something has to be done. If the government can't or won't, I fear the citizens will (in an uncontrolled way) and innocent people will get hurt. The government does not appear to want to protect us and at the same time wants to remove our ability to protect ourselves. The government should wake up and fly right or there is going to be bigger problems for both the government and citizens. Good luck to us all as we're going to need it.

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