ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

If the Left is so insistent that a wall not be built, perhaps they will consider the alternative proposed by Ron Paul:

"I don't like walls. I'm a libertarian I don't want to wall people in and wall people out."

"I don’t want free, open borders either," he continued.

"I think you have to remove the incentives for people to come. They come because there's a welfare system here, there's easy access to citizenship its politicized one group wants them here because they think they can get the v**es."

Paul said he understands this dynamic thanks to his experience working as a doctor near the border.

"I'm an OBGYN doctor close to the border. People would pop in they'd have a baby then the next day they'd be at the courthouse signing up for welfare benefits."

Something tells me that the LEFT would not buy into this alternative proposal to Trump's wall. The unstated fact is that the LEFT wants open borders to increase their political base and political power. They can't or won't admit this is the real reason for their opposition to Trump's wall, even though in the past they supported such proposals. So it would be an interesting tact for Trump to take and show the hypocrisy of the LEFT if they opposed both the wall and a curb on the economic incentives for immigration.

Gatsby

Things will change very quickly, when Hispanic v**ers favor President Trump in 2020.

Lonewolf

I v**e for a wall if trump will cross it and stay

Kevyn

Undocumented immigrants can NEVER v**e, the entire premis that they bolster anyone’s v**er base is nothing but a lie.

Lonewolf

have you not been watching trumps popularity is tanking in red states he's not electable

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Undocumented immigrants can NEVER v**e LEGALLY. That does not mean that undocumented immigrants do not v**e.

"There have been a significant number of alien v**er violations alleged in recent years. Yet, there appears to be a stunning lack of federal interest in this issue."

"Federal and state lack of interest in e******n offenses is not an indication that noncitizen v****g is a minor problem. It is only an indication that e******n authorities are failing to prosecute violators. Inattention to the phenomenon of noncitizen v****g and a failure to impose effective penalties against those who cast v**es fraudulently has rendered laws against such activity a paper tiger, without deterrent effect."

"How Much Noncitizen V****g Is Going On?

There is widespread awareness that i*****l i*********n is a massive and growing problem in the United States. Estimates of the illegal population vary between 11 and 20 million. FAIR believes there are likely between 11 to 13 million illegal residents. In addition to the i*****l a***ns already in the country, the Census Bureau estimates that the i*****l a***n population is growing by a minimum of 500,000 per year.

Combining the estimated numbers of both legal and i*****l a***ns, there appear to be at least 26 million non-U.S. citizens in the United States at any given time. The bulk of them are lawful permanent residents and i*****l a***ns (a total of 22 million). The balance consists of roughly 1.6 million tourists and other brief-stay visitors; and approximately 2.4 million long-term visa-holders, such as students and temporary workers.

Many politicians are taking firm stances on issues affecting migrants, including amnesty, entitlements and sanctuary city policies. This gives noncitizens a significant incentive to register as v**ers and cast a b****t. For example, in East Chicago, Indiana, a city with 30,000 residents, v****g fraud was so systemic in 2003 that the State Supreme Court ordered a new e******n with heightened verification. When unlawful v**ers were prohibited from casting a b****t the outcome of the e******n changed.18

The problem is not unique to Indiana. A 2013 National Hispanic Survey study by Republican pollster John McLaughlin asked a sample of 800 likely Hispanic v**ers if they were American citizens. 13 percent admitted they were not.19

In 2014, a study released by a team of professors from Old D******n University and George Mason University estimated that approximately 6.4 percent of noncitizens v**ed In the 2008 p**********l e******n. They also surmised that 2.2 percent v**ed in the 2010 midterm e******n.20 In addition, the study estimated that 80 percent of noncitizens who appeared to have v**ed cast their b****ts in favor of one party. Noncitizens are believed to have v**ed in these e******ns in numbers great enough to have affected the outcome.

Nate Silver, an acclaimed statistician with the forecasting firm Five Thirty Eight, calculated that states with newly implemented v**er ID laws will experience turnout decrease by as much as 2.4 percent of the registered v**er population.21 Opponents of v**er ID laws claim that any decreases in v**er turnout are evidence that legal v**ers have been disenfranchised – discounting the possibility that the reductions are due to decreased participation by non-citizens. But, as Silver has noted, this argument doesn’t make sense because the vast majority of adults in America hold some form of photo identification and states with v**er ID laws offer qualifying documentation at minimal or no cost. While it is impossible to prove that Silver’s entire 2.4 percent estimated turnout decrease is entirely attributable to noncitizen v**ers, it is highly likely that foreign nationals without authorization to v**e will constitute the majority of this group. And Silver’s numbers are consistent with the results of other studies more specifically focused on reducing unlawful noncitizen v****g.

If we take the mean of these three estimates -- 7.25 percent -- and apply it to just the 22 million non-citizen residents currently in the United States, then approximately 1.6 million non-citizens v**e every year. According to the high and low estimates here, that number could be as high as 2.9 million (at 13 percent of 22 million), or as low as 528,000 (2.4 percent of 22 million). Both are unacceptably high numbers." https://www.fairus.org/issue/societal-impact/noncitizens-v****g-violations-and-us-e******ns

Conclusion

There is enough evidence of noncitizen v****g to indicate that it is an ongoing problem that may have a significant effect on American e*******l poitics. Due to the low risk of penalty, and the lack of effective controls, alien v****g is easy. In states without ID requirements, the only check against noncitizens registering to v**e is a box on the application form asking registrants to confirm they are U.S. citizens. Given the fact that this affirmation is rarely verified and few violators are ever prosecuted, it is a pointless exercise that does nothing to deter v***r f***d. In states with v**er ID requirements, the lack of a single, standardized document that demonstrates both identity and citizenship makes v***r f***d all too easy.

If the United States wants to eliminate the possible appearance of e******ns determined by fraudulent v****g, procedures must be adopted to verify the eligibility of new v**er registrants, and to verify the identity of v**ers when they cast b****ts, with the application of penalties for those who register and/or v**e f***dulently. If there is no real penalty for illegal v****g, it is unreasonable to expect that an “honor system” to keep ineligible persons from v****g will be effective.

Lonewolf

you just never can find any that do most keep there heads low and work to feed their families

TrueAmerican

No matter how many illegal v**es are cast some stupid people will never see the facts