no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

The basis concept of moral relativism is that there is no right or wrong, If you think that something is right, no matter what other people think then it is right "for you". M**************m plays a part in moral relativism in that if a culture can be found to have ever done any activity, then we are not allowed to call the activity "wrong" It is therefore an alternate reality. Most liberals have this concept of beliefs and morality. This particularly hods true in matters of sexual behavior. therefore, if at one time a small tribe , which may not even exist today,believed that having sex with a five year old child then throwing the child onto a fire to appease their gods, we should not condemn anyone who practices that activity, for fear of being cultural "insensitive" If a number of people believe that forcing a seven year old girl to marry an adult man of the parents choosing, we should say "that is their culture, that is their right to do, even if they are now living in America" If intergenerational sex between men and boys is permitted somewhere in the world, it should not only be tolerated but celebrated in this country. On the other hand, even tough s***ery and r****m as a national policy are still practiced in many parts of the world, to the liberals even saying something mildly derogatory about a race, or having had distant relatives who were s***e owners two hundred years ago is a mortal sin. So is donating to a cause that the liberals don't believe in. Part of the concept of moral relativism is that there is no t***h, or lies, and that "knowledge is a collectively accepted system of beliefs regardless of whether the beliefs are true or the inferences rational." so, in sociologist studies, it the sociologist says it is true" (moral relativism-Lukes)
Most conservatives believe that there is such a thing as right and wrong / Because they believe that there is a power greater than themselves, God or a supreme power, they understand that Nature"s God has made male and female with a particular design and purpose in mind, and that willingly violating Nature's law has consequences. That includes sexual behavior in addition to the laws designed and given to people on how to treat and work together. People have an inherent moral sense that guides them toward the goals that a supreme Power wishes us to have. That moral sense must be nurtured through out life to function properly, The further people stray from the moral sense, the more unhappy, unfulfilled, and destructive their lives become . This does not give people the right to h**e people because they do bad or evil things, but, instead to h**e the bad or evil things, and to help the person become a better person, more able to resist the temptations. In my opinion, the true difference between the conservative and the liberal is "In God all things are possible" vrs "without God, all things are permissible."

Moral relativism regarding homosexual behavior, the rationalization and the thinking behind it have devastated the institutions of society and government, invading our schools and organizations such as the Boy Scouts. There is a difference between most homosexuals and the activists that must be kept in mind. Most homosexuals, like most heterosexuals do not let their sexuality define their entire being. The activists in the movement believe that their sexuality is the definition of their being, so that if you challenge the lie that homosexually is genetic, they feel very threatened . "The nature of the act is different from the person performing the act, and this distinction allows you to judge the act not the person. It is this distinction between the act and the person that removes any moral onus from a person whose homosexuality, or alcoholism or drug dependency is no fault of his own, which is why, against all evidence to the contrary, the homosexual activists demand that we believe that their homosexuality is genetic, and unchangeable. If, as is suggested by those who claim sexual restraint or even abstainance impossible, that they have no free will, then any idea of morality becomes absurd" MAKING GAY OKAY. At the end, only God can judge the condition of any person's soul In the mean time, perhaps we can come to a better understanding of the moral nature of an act, and realize that some acts are bad, and some are a great evil.

At this point in history however, the subject of homosexuality has become intertwined the rhetoric of "Rights" Rights, as the Declaration of Independence says are dependent on the laws of Nature and of Nature's God.".Any one who claims that what he is demanding is on the level of a right gets tremendous moral and political power for his cause For this reason activist homosexuals and their supporters attempt to identify themselves as the next civil rights movement". "MAKING GAY OKAY"
that the discussion of homosexuality and "rights" is now totally political is fully evident within the behavior of many politicians.

In 1985 in the Journal of Sex Education and therapy Dr. Lester Kirkendall, who is a professor of "Family Life" stated "sex education programs of the future will probe sexual expression across generational lines particularly as our sense of guilt about those things diminishes and this would also include incest"
Kevin Jennings who founded GLSEN is Obama's School Safety Czar ( more information can be found on him under the heading "Stanford not Really News, But Notre Dammed?"

Recently the President signed a bill that would have a stamp commemorating the life of Harvey Milk who was murdered in San Francisco, by someone who allegedly h**ed homosexuals, although some evidence has since surfaced that Milk may have molested a friend or relative of the murdered Milk was an admitted pederast ( he preferred young teenage boys who were runaways) Another celebrated California pederast is Henry Hay who was influential in the activist cause and is considered an icon, and a martyr for the cause.
Mathew Shepard is a martyr to the cause because he was murdered because, supposedly, he was homosexual. He is still a martyr despite the knowledge by the activists that he and the two men who murdered him were drug dealers and it was a drug deal gone bad. At least one of the two murderers had been a sexual partner of Shepard.
On June 29 2009, the President met with 250 homosexual leaders in the White House to commemorate the Stonewall Inn R**t when police and homosexuals clashed at a bar for homosexuals. The bar was well known to be a drug dealer's haven, and was owned by the New York Mafia. Obama singled out Franklin Kameny. Franklin Kameny had been arrested in 1957 for soliciting homosexual prostitutes in Lafayette Park across from the White House. At that time "perversions" were considered grounds for dismissal so Kameny lost his government job. He fought his dismissal on the grounds that "homosexuality is not only not immoral but is affirmatively moral. In 2008 Kameny expressed his views in a letter published in Americans For T***h. He wrote "let us have more and better enjoyment of more and better perversions by what ever definition by more and more consenting adults- If beastiality with consenting animals provides to some people let them pursue their happiness"

Does a thought come to mind JUST HOW DOES AN ANIMAL CONSENT
All of these people and events have the same goal in mind, not just to make gay OK , but to change the family structure in many damaging ways

This should give you an idea just how far we have come down the path of moral relativity. The next question should be "how can we get back to a moral and sane society or is it too late?

There are several postings in the Standford Notre Dame post.
You might also want to read
Moral Relativism Steven Lukes
Making Gay OK Robert Reilly
A Q***r Thing Happened to America Michael Brown
Homosexuality and the Politics of T***h Jeffrey Satinover MD
I hope the information here is to be considered and thought about. If you wish to copy the article and sent it to your friends please do so. Hopefully there will be responses on this site. Please keep in mind that descussion is great, accusations of H**E SPEECH or any such nonsense will not lead to a civil conversation, and should be avoided when possible. Thank you.

Comment Loc: California

I don't h**e homos. I just don't approve of what they do. My neighbor let me know that he was a she when we first met. It didn't deter me from befriending him.

Comment Loc: California

Thanks for sharing. I love the analysis. A good tile for the piece should be: "The Moral Decay of America."

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I have a number of friends that are homosexual, believe it or not. However I despise the activists and their mountain of lies while they are trying to brainwash the rest of the country to celebrate their behavior and keep quiet when we know the t***h. I know that a large percentage of homosexual men have suffered horrible childhoods, and I wish I could help them ease their pain. Those who do not define their entire lives by who they have sex with are often involved in many of the same interests that my wife and I are. A few have been helpful when we are training the therapy Mastiffs even though they know what kind of work I do. My idea is to never be nasty to anyone unless they give me an exceptionally good reason to do so. Of course it goes without saying that I also despise the child molesters and consider them an evil on the earth.

By the way, I didn't proof read the posting as well as I should have. It took me two outlines and four rewrites to do it, and my eyes were getting crossed, so if there are mistakes, sorry about that.

Brian Devon

The t***h is that most people have enough to worry about in their own lives, to have the time to obsess about what consenting adults do in the bedroom. Most of us don't really care as long as it does not involve children or an unwilling victim.

Conservatives love to whine about liberals and moral relativism. What they are really whining about is that the science folks are defeating the goat-herder fairy tale folks in the culture war.

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

Excellent post.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

A well written and thoughtful composition! Thanks for sharing his.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Brian has done another "drive-by". If he'd stick around awhile, he'd probably learn something, but that would mess up his head even worse than it is. By his posts, you can tell that he doesn't really read the topic, but merely does a cut and paste of his two or three responses to any conservative or Judaeo-Christian poster on here. What a total bore!

His Evelyn Wood speed reading of "How The Grinch Stole Christmas", (no doubt his authoritative source for all his "goat-herder fairy tale folks" comments), may have served him well in public school, but on here in the grown-up world, he just shows himself to be a moron.

Brian you stated, "Most of us don't really care as long as it does not involve children or an unwilling victim." The entire point of this topic is that is does and has, Do you have TBI? If so, my apologies if not, pay at-freakin'-tention already!

As to the "science folks" you seem to place so much reliance upon, they can't even get diet right, why would any intelligent person trust them with their soul?

"...the health establishment's embrace of the wrong ideas about nutrition have made the U.S. fatter and sicker than we might otherwise have been. We've increased our consumption of carbohydrates by 25 percent since the 1970s, which may be the reason that Type 2 diabetes is reaching epidemic levels. The switch to vegetable oil from butter and lard may have increased rates of cancer and Alzheimer's disease."

"...the scientific establishment is hardly immune to politics, fads, bias and self-interest. Bad science is endemic. As The Economist magazine noted in October, "half of all published research cannot be replicated ... and that may be optimistic."

http://townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/2014/05/06/say-no-to-bad-science-n1833795/page/2

Spit out your kale & wheat germ on gluten-free bread sandwich, go grab a Big Mac and get your mind RIGHT!

P.S. The Grinch isn't a goat, it's a fictional character, you may have figured that out if you hadn't sped read your book!

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

I take o fence. Ever sence i took Evelyn woods sped reddin course my compression has improoved grately.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

The Grench stole Christmas. He must be either a politician or a high school administrator.

On the other hand goats sample everything, newspapers, plastic buckets, groceries from the car, so maybe it was really a goat that stole Christmas.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Hang on there missinglink, taking "Evelyn to the woods", just aint the same as the course...Hay, ya tak a holelot like me n my kinfolk, iz we re-lated? Iz this cuzin' Cletus just joshin' me on here?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

He aint no goat, an animal would never stoop that low, but I have a picture of him (Grinch) that is suitable for framing. I give them to all my liberal friend (not plural, no mistake) at Christmas time...

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

I believe that the goats actually eat the labels off of the plastic buckets but hey, anything's possible.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Our neighbors have Nigerian Dwarf Goats and they have eaten the corners of every feed bucket they use. They have now switched to stainless, as the goats can't eat them. The goats also like the salt and road dirt off the cars, and leave little lick marks along the sides, but they haven't yet tried to eat the cars. Actually they are pretty picky about what they eat, just sampling most things, not actually eating them. The neighbors now have 6 little kids, born about a week ago to two mothers. We help bottle feed them one a day, just to get them used to strange people ( and my wife thinks I am very strange)

On a serious note, while I have gotten several compliments on this posting, I have also gotten a few private messages saying they were going to report me for H**E SPEECH, so if my postings cease to exist, you will know why. While I was working full time, I got a couple of actual death threats for some of the things I said while working with abuse victims. No, nothing came of them, it wasn't just that the theateners were incompetent. nothing was actually attempted as far as I know. I really don't think there will be any requests to remove my posts, I think it is just hurt feelings from people who should stop and take a look at their lives, and perhaps find out why they are so unhappy and nasty.

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

I am not concerned with what adults do in the privacy of their home. However, I am concerned with what adults say to my children.

I have instilled in my child and grandchildren a sense of what is by our morals right and wrong. We do not judge others, as that is left to a higher power than us.

I firmly believe: that which we get with our blood and our milk stays with us. If we rear our children in the ways of our God, we have given them a map to navigate this world. I will protect the children of my family from the things I consider immoral. I believe this is my job.

It gets harder to do this as the media encourages things I believe to be wrong. However, it is not impossible. I try to teach them not to h**e anyone. H**e only hurts you.

People who hurt children should be removed from society. Children can not give consent therefore to my mind it is rape.

I don't believe you have the right to discuss sexual matters whether homosexual or heterosexual with other people's children.