Kevyn

If you look at the most security sensitive installations around the nation from nuclear power plants and airports to military bases, the pentagon and even top secret outposts like Area 51 you will notice they don’t have walls around them. They are very secure and use various methods to stop trespassing and attacks. They are certainly well funded and security is taken seriously. Fences, video surveillance, ground sonar and listening devices along with security personnel protect them. If walls are the best way to stop incursion why are they absent here? The answer is simple the walls are expensive, outdated and most importantly ineffective. Taxpayer dollars used for border security should not be pissed away on a monument to stupidity or to assuage the fragile ego of a megalomaniac who’s mouth wrote a check he can’t cash.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Just how many M13 gang members / child traffickers / murderers are going to attack the institutions you gave for an example ? ? ? ?

Tell me do you rally believe that the border agents alone could have stopped 7000 i******s from entering the US

Funny how you are so worried about taxpayers money why aren't you crying about taxpayer money used to k**l 41 million unborn babies ? ? ?

After all these are unprotected little human beings they don't have any way to defend themselves !

As usual Kevy you never miss a chance to show your low level of intelligence

mongo Loc: TEXAS

You must have meant Area 51, right? Well, anyways, I fully agree with you on
that observation. You see, when you trespass on Area 51, the highly sophisticated
electronic devises alerts the Military personnel that there has been a breach. At that
time, the dispense troops to intercept said trespassers.
This is the part you didn't say, they give the order to halt, if you don't, they shoot
to k**l. Sure saves the taxpayers money on court fees and prison beds.
I think you've solved the problem, good job!

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Nuclear power plants are fenced off from public access... As are airports (the air strips)... And Military bases are extremely well guarded (and fenced off)... As are all secret military outposts...

I believe the point of the wall is to stem the flow of i******s into the US... Which it has / does / will do...

I postulate that if hundreds of people were crossing air fields daily and disrupting air traffic that a wall would be built...
I'm equally willing to postulate that those individuals would be apprehended and punished...

The border situation is neither new nor abhorrent to the Democratic party... The only factor to have changed is POTUS Trump's victory in the 2016 e******ns and their (Democratic congress) desire to withhold a 'victory' from him (and the American people)...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I don't know how many i******s are trying to get into those places but then, many DO have barriers, electric fencing, 24/7 video monitoring, etc. This is a pretty stupid line of reasoning.

Kevyn

My point isn’t that difficult to grasp, so pay close attention. If a concrete walls made for the best security don’t you think they would be installed at these highly sensitive targets? They are not the best or even an efficient solution so means like you outline are used instead. This is the type of real border security supported by Democrats and they are more than willing to fund it. The compromise is coming up with a face saving lie Trump can tell his base when our nation achieves true border security instead of his asinine wall.

Kevyn

Yea, I was having lunch and my mind was on steak sauce... oh wait that’s Heinitz 57, but you get the point. Thanks for pointing it out, I fixed the post. The same system you reference can be employed just as effectively on our borders, not a Trumpty Dumpty Wall.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

How about no fence at all? The barrier can be death from drones and A10 Warthogs and a on the ground Calvary like back when. Yeah, I'm cool with just a barrier. You must know more than border Patrol officials, cause they say that in 57 ports of entry, a wall is essential to security. Security is where we have control of the border, not the cartels running unchecked game on us.

woodguru

That actually is a good point, getting close to the perimeter gets you quick attention in response. Little drone squadrons of cost effective drones could have a farther and quicker reach to assess the level of response needed.

Dems have already shown that they will back border security to the tune of tens of billions along with comprehensive DACA and pathways to citizenship...

The wall is a Trump ego symbol, he'd love to include huge Trump signs all along it. It's five billion dollars more ridiculous than his parade he wanted.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

I call Bravo Sierra Mr Woodstock hippy, We've been hammering the Neocon Trotsky's for walls and fences since the
80's...Now if you want boots on the ground and predator drones 24/7 that's Fine to...Mercenaries to monitor
seismic ground monitors works well inside fenced border areas and pipelines...I'm for Fences, Walls, Monitoring , Claymore Mines and Mercenaries ""Combined"" Do it like the I.D.F. does it...Add missile defense as needed

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

L*****ts seem to think the "Wall" in question is nothing more than a 10 or 15 foot wall along the border. How silly is that?

President Trump, the director of DHS, CBP, and others engaged in national security have an entirely different definition of "Wall" on the drawing board than just a physical wall. Their definition is more in line with that of a "barrier" which includes high tech detection such as pressure sensors, laser intrusion sensors, infrared heat detectors, calibrated surveillance microphones, video surveillance cameras with night vision capability, Light Detection and Ranging Radar (LIDAR--which utilizes pulsed lasers to illuminate the target and measures the reflected pulses with detection sensors). All this is already available and is much the same technology other countries are using. Israel in particular has developed all kinds of unique high tech systems to protect their borders at the most active areas. There is no doubt that the Trump national security personnel and advisors are looking into that.

Some countries even deploy mine fields and trip wire booby traps.

L*****ts will use any excuse to attack president Trump even if their attacks are founded on pure nonsense. They are nothing but a mob of completely unhinged cry babies whining because the Big Man is raining on their parade.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

I appreciate the way you think, like a winner!

archie bunker Loc: Texas

OK. I'll give you the wall if you give me fencing like the PANTEX plant has. Along with the high tech stuff, and staff to cover the ENTIRE southern border.
What say you?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Would this include incarceration/punishment for individuals crossing / attempting to cross the border equal to that of an individual caught crossing/attempting to cross the PANTEX fence?
Would the staff be within their rights to employ deadly force to prevent such a breach?

archie bunker Loc: Texas

A rabbit couldn't get through their fencing, and, yes, if you push it, you will be shot.

One time, it took me 2 1/2 hours to deliver 4 pallets of light bulbs there, and it was outside the perimeter. Had a guy with a rifle in my truck the whole time!
That's the kind of security I want on our border!