Bcon

President Trump’s “WALL” has risen to the ranks of the most famous walls of all time – the fallen walls of Jericho, the Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, the Wailing Wall and – oh yeah — that record album by Pink Floyd.

To understand why there is even a discussion about a proverbial wall along the Mexican border, we need to understand the situation as it is today. This year, alone, more than 320,000 people were arrested by border patrol illegally crossing the American-Mexican border. Unlike the carefully selected media images, the vast majority are not women clinging to their small children, but young single men – and many of the children are not with their parents but with “coyotes” who bring them across for pay and for illicit purposes. Many are older teenage ”children” without any accompaniment.

Based on history, more than 80 percent of these will NOT be eligible for asylum. Looking for a “better life” is not sufficient. To gain asylum one must prove to be escaping serious oppression and potential physical harm from their government. Even living in a crime-ridden neighborhood is not enough.

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In the past year, more than 7,000 of those crossing had serious felony criminal records, including murderers, rapists and thieves. More than 800 were gang members – including MS13 – and drug dealers. When one considers what even one criminal can do, these numbers are frightening.

Against these scary numbers both Republicans and Democrats say they are for “greater border security,” but the Democrats are lying. Yes, willfully lying with all the intent and credibility of Baron Von Munchhausen, but without the proboscis problem of Pinocchio … unfortunately.

How do we know they are lying? First and foremost is that when they had the White House and both chambers of Congress – and then-candidate Barack Obama promised to make immigration the priority of his administration – the Democrats did nothing … nada … to correct any of the immigration issues, including border security. Since then, they have been against any reforms that would fix the problem. That is why we still have the problem.

The Democrats have refused to change the policies that allow even the most dubious claims of asylum to enable virtually every border crosser — legal and illegal – to remain in America with little to no vetting and no tracking.

In addition, Democrats have proposed and passed several programs and laws that actually encourage illegal crossing – including free schooling for their children, welfare benefits, jobs, drivers’ licenses (which lead to illegal v****g) and safe sanctuary for i******s (even criminals) and opposition to enforcement of federal laws by ICE.

Democrats have used their allies in the media to misinform American citizens regarding the nature of the problem. You will recall that Democrats said that the caravan was just a normal organic movement – not organized by left wing organizations. A lie. MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough led in the media’s false narrative that the caravan would never even reach the border. A lie. There was that “its only a bunch of poor women and small children. A lie.

In talking about “the wall,” Democrats and the news cronies create a strawman argument. They persist in describing the Trump wall as 2,000 miles of brick or concrete barrier comparable to the Great Wall of China – even though Trump has repeatedly said that “the wall” will be different things in different places.

It was almost two years ago that this writer did a column noting that the word “wall” for supporters of Trump’s efforts to harden the border was a metaphor for various means, at various places, to minimize illegal crossing. Trump, himself, has made that distinction a number of times. Yet, the anti-Trump forces falsely compare Trump’s proposal to the Chinese version of a “Medieval-like” structure that would transcend the entire 2,000 miles. They make ridiculous hair-splitting differentiations – claiming one of Trump’s examples is a big “fence,” not a wall.

In an effort to deflect from the central issue, they keep bringing up Trump’s assurances that Mexico would pay for the wall. Agreed, that is worthy of discussion and criticism. It was a bold campaign statement and there is no assurance that Mexico will pay for the wall.

BUT … it is a meaningless side argument. Trump’s promise makes no difference in the reality of the situation. The American border is porous. Too many people are entering America – and staying – illegally. Whether Mexico or Jeff Bezos pays for the wall (and he could) makes no difference. We need it secured … Period.

The savings in just one year to the American economy would pay for the highest proposed figure for border security … the metamorphic wall. It would come from a reduction in crime, reduction in law enforcement, employment opportunities for citizens and legal residents (meaning more tax money), reduction in welfare costs and even a reduction in the cost of day-to-day border security.

This issue has not been resolved for only two reasons. Democrats and the left-wing media want to bring down Trump with constant negative narrative. That is why they have hypocritically withdrawn their own past proposals to provide money for border security – including what they once called “a wall” – and their once voiced opposition to i*****l i*********n. As the situation on the border got worse, the Democrats commitment to fixing it has diminished. And there only seems to be one reason. Political opposition to all things Trumpian.

The second reason Democrats are not eager to close the borders is that they believe – and for good reasons – that the vast majority of the i*****l i*******ts that stay in America will support Democrats. They will eventually be legal v**ers – and in the meantime v**e illegally in some cases. The latter is not a theory of political paranoia, but an established fact in cases throughout the nation – especially in the major cities where the e******n process is controlled by corrupt Democrat political machines.

The amount of funding to completely accomplish Trump’s vision of an effective border barrier is minuscule to the size of even the discretionary (non-entitlements) portion of the budget. If it was only the amount of money that Democrats claim to be a factor, “the wall” would have been funded at the onset of the Trump administration.

Currently, Democrats are ignoring their own calls for a wall in the past and the fact they once put $25 billion on the table for border security that could have included walls. Their 180-degree turn-around was solely an anti-Trump tactic designed to appease their radical base. Rarely have even the most crass and partisan politicians waged such a major impasse over such a very small issue. The American people are now witnessing a comic opera performed by buffoons.

So, there ‘tis.

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

You have left no stone unturned in this topic.
Thank you.
PS. Check out Styxhexenhamm on U-Tube when you get the chance, please.

Gatsby

The seeming total blackout on any news about the criminal referrals coming out of the Horowitz investigation, is beyond obvious.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Excellent post...
Beautifully worded and concise...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Would like to know who wrote this article you posted... Link or just ID...

A short response via a Quora reply...

People who live on the US southern border, what are your thoughts on the wall?
Mike Zsarko
Mike Zsarko, Field Service Engineer at AMR (2016-present)


I live in San Diego. I’m also really into Astronomy. So much so I have a private pad out in the desert about a mile from the border. There is no fence that I’m aware of. There are however a massive amount of Border Patrol on ATV’s, 4x4’s, helicopters, and drones.

In the entire three years I’ve been going out there I have seen two i******s and Border Patrol picked them up right away. They weren’t carrying back packs, just some water and food.

On the way out there, if you take Old Highway 80, you’ll pass by several farms. They all have signs out saying they’re looking for farm help at $15.00 an hour plus benefits. Those signs have been up for two years and I don’t see them coming down anytime soon.

Downtown San Diego is feeling the hit too. Mexicans used to flock across the border to partake in the San Diego fun and sun lifestyle. Now they’d rather go to Europe where the leaders don’t call them names and insult them.

It’s time to stop letting those wannabe Aryans dictate our immigration policies. The wall is a stupid idea dreamed up by r****t assholes to keep out the dreaded brown people.

“But they’re stealing our jobs!” If your job can be stolen by someone that doesn’t speak English then I don’t see how you’re making enough to live here and it’s probably past time to find another line of work.

They come over here for our welfare benefits!” OK, first they’re stealing jobs, now they’re stealing welfare? Make up your mind.
First of all, if you aren’t an American citizen, you aren’t getting welfare benefits. Period. There is some emergency aid given to asylum seekers but welfare? No. If you don’t believe me go on down to the welfare office and ask them.

Second of all, and most importantly, I’ve never seen a group of people work so hard for so little. Mexican immigrants will work all damn day doing the jobs that Americans won’t do. We need them as much as they need us. If you don’t think so, get your lazy ass out to one of the farms about to go under.

If you want to do something about i*****l i*********n, start enforcing the laws about employing them. R****t Republicans love to punch down on poor brown people just looking for a better life, but don’t do a thing to the lily white folks hiring them. Start there. Maybe then you can fine them enough to pay for this boondoggle.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

As for the illegal Mexican and South American immigrants, they are the cause of many Americans not getting jobs because they receive more in welfare than they would receive by the depressed wages caused by these i******s. Why don't you get after your Democratic Congress people to get a new green card process approved and installed. They never did anything about that when they had "full control of Congress and the Presidency". As for your last paragraph, what a bunch of BS. What law is now in force that would stop the companies from hiring them? The Democrats and some Republicans will not support a E-verify bill that would stop that from happening. It is not about "all white folks" hiring them there are other races of people that use these i******s to make a larger profit by using these people as fodder for their benefit.

maryjane

For me, the most appalling thing behind congress' refusal to build a proper obstruction on our southern border is their perfect willingness to continue great harm to this nation and its citizens, to knowingly continue the destructive act of literally giving our country over to foreign economic migrants, both illegal AND legal. They are willing to destroy our nation's future health and prosperity if it takes that to destroy this president and put his v**ers back in their place. They are willing to sell out our country's very foundations to globalism and socialism to get their way and solidify their power. Selling out a nation, deliberately engineering a nation's destruction, both are acts of treason in my book. I did not specify democrats here because, though, undoubtedly, they are the worst, but republicans cannot be excused because they have refused to stand and fight, just chosen to stay quiet in the face of the dems fighting for their way. This action of the republicans seems to say that secretly they want the same thing as the democrats but without the guts or courage to say so publicly. In my opinion, they all want the same thing, Trump gone period, and things back to the way they were before, with them having all the power and doing wh**ever they want with the people having no recourse, just like Washington has been for at least 30 years and worse every year.

maryjane

Doesn't California have more foreigners and i*****l a***ns and Mexicans than any other state except, maybe Texas?? So, why are your foreign noncitizens bleeding your welfare services dry instead of working those $15 hour jobs?? If you think it is so wonderful to have your state overrun with these denanding, entitled foreigners that are here illegally, why is your state verging on bankruptcy, why are your public schools being totally degraded by these people, why, if they are so wonderful and such a great benefit to your state, are so many of your taxpayers having lived there for generations leaving your state? Maybe you have simply been very lucky in the specific location you chose to star gaze, but many, many others living bear the border in your state and the others tell a very different story. Are you both right? Maybe so, but if nothing changes, the future California will be just a little Mexico and that is a great shame.

maryjane

Another point. If you actually believe that i*****l a***ns AND other noncitizens do not have access to all welfare services, then you have not been paying attention. Last year, there were around 400,000 anchor babies born in the US to i******s, at least half in California. Though it has been many years since I had any personal knowledge of the costs of pregnancy/birth/aftercare, but I'm sure, today, that cost is several thousand dollars. Well sir, American working taxpayers paid every dime for all those pregnancies/births/aftercare including those in your state. We foot the bill for medical care for all the i******s and millions of the "legal" noncitizens. As for the refugees and asylees, they, upon arrival, are immediately placed on all welfare services and given cash, and many thousands stay there forever. Since our foolish nation gives instant citizenship to every child born here, these anchor babies give their illegal/noncitizen families legal access to all welfare services, where before the babies, the families got "ONLY" free education/meals/supplies/expensive special tutors for existing kids and totally free medical care for all of them. NOTHING is free, sir, someone has to pay, but the payers are working US taxpayers, not the foreign freeloaders and s**mmers. You can praise the few you know all you want, but the facts are that there are too many tens of millions of them, grabbing everything possible for free which, in turn, allows them, if they work, to deprive our country of additional tens of BILLIONS of our dollars that they send back to THEIR countries. So both these foreigners AND their complicit countries benefit greatly from their being in the USA. But neither our country nor our citizens benefit, but instead are forced to spend hundreds of billions of dollars annually on them instead of our own needs, and have to watch as their great numbers and demanding attitudes harm every aspect of our country.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Lou, the laws do exists.. it is enforcement which is needed.. difficult often but should be much better then it is..


https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html

What Counts as Hiring an I*****l I*******t?
Under federal law, it is illegal for any employer to engage with i*****l i*******ts in the following manner:

Hiring i*****l i*******ts
Recruiting i*****l i*******ts
Referring i*****l i*******ts for work and receiving a fee
This also includes hiring contractors who use i*****l i*******ts. There are criminal and civil penalties associated with this conduct.

What Are the Penalties for Hiring an I*****l I*******t?
Hiring i*****l i*******ts can lead to many severe penalties, such as:

Criminal and civil fines
Loss of business licenses
Most fines are broken down to the following:

First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing i*****l i*******ts can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.
This does not include “harboring” i*****l i*******ts, or employing ten or more i*****l i*******ts in one year. Harboring an i*****l i*******t can lead to ten years of prison time.

Additionally, employers should be aware of the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Employers can be sued under the act for hiring i*****l i*******ts, and can face large settlement deals.

The lawfully documented workers of the Zirkle Fruit Company recently settled a class action lawsuit brought under RICO. The suit alleged that their employer knowingly hired undocumented workers, driving down their wages.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Schumer wanted the wall before Trump wanted it, now not so much... The simple question is close the border, all of them down completely for about five years... Gives us time to find out who is here and if legal...If not send them out...

When and if we do reopen them its a gradual process with cap linits of how many we take in and they,not our government must have verifiable vetting documents... If they do not ~~ no entry!!!

Its time to call this stalemate and move forward!!!

Look for the same thing on every issue that comes up in the next two years...Expect it...
This isn’t a government for the people its a bloated bureucratic failure strong arming the will of the people!!! Pathetic and ridiculous~~~




dquote=Bcon]President Trump’s “WALL” has risen to the ranks of the most famous walls of all time – the fallen walls of Jericho, the Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, the Wailing Wall and – oh yeah — that record album by Pink Floyd.

To understand why there is even a discussion about a proverbial wall along the Mexican border, we need to understand the situation as it is today. This year, alone, more than 320,000 people were arrested by border patrol illegally crossing the American-Mexican border. Unlike the carefully selected media images, the vast majority are not women clinging to their small children, but young single men – and many of the children are not with their parents but with “coyotes” who bring them across for pay and for illicit purposes. Many are older teenage ”children” without any accompaniment.

Based on history, more than 80 percent of these will NOT be eligible for asylum. Looking for a “better life” is not sufficient. To gain asylum one must prove to be escaping serious oppression and potential physical harm from their government. Even living in a crime-ridden neighborhood is not enough.

Learn more about RevenueStripe...

In the past year, more than 7,000 of those crossing had serious felony criminal records, including murderers, rapists and thieves. More than 800 were gang members – including MS13 – and drug dealers. When one considers what even one criminal can do, these numbers are frightening.

Against these scary numbers both Republicans and Democrats say they are for “greater border security,” but the Democrats are lying. Yes, willfully lying with all the intent and credibility of Baron Von Munchhausen, but without the proboscis problem of Pinocchio … unfortunately.

How do we know they are lying? First and foremost is that when they had the White House and both chambers of Congress – and then-candidate Barack Obama promised to make immigration the priority of his administration – the Democrats did nothing … nada … to correct any of the immigration issues, including border security. Since then, they have been against any reforms that would fix the problem. That is why we still have the problem.

The Democrats have refused to change the policies that allow even the most dubious claims of asylum to enable virtually every border crosser — legal and illegal – to remain in America with little to no vetting and no tracking.

In addition, Democrats have proposed and passed several programs and laws that actually encourage illegal crossing – including free schooling for their children, welfare benefits, jobs, drivers’ licenses (which lead to illegal v****g) and safe sanctuary for i******s (even criminals) and opposition to enforcement of federal laws by ICE.

Democrats have used their allies in the media to misinform American citizens regarding the nature of the problem. You will recall that Democrats said that the caravan was just a normal organic movement – not organized by left wing organizations. A lie. MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough led in the media’s false narrative that the caravan would never even reach the border. A lie. There was that “its only a bunch of poor women and small children. A lie.

In talking about “the wall,” Democrats and the news cronies create a strawman argument. They persist in describing the Trump wall as 2,000 miles of brick or concrete barrier comparable to the Great Wall of China – even though Trump has repeatedly said that “the wall” will be different things in different places.

It was almost two years ago that this writer did a column noting that the word “wall” for supporters of Trump’s efforts to harden the border was a metaphor for various means, at various places, to minimize illegal crossing. Trump, himself, has made that distinction a number of times. Yet, the anti-Trump forces falsely compare Trump’s proposal to the Chinese version of a “Medieval-like” structure that would transcend the entire 2,000 miles. They make ridiculous hair-splitting differentiations – claiming one of Trump’s examples is a big “fence,” not a wall.

In an effort to deflect from the central issue, they keep bringing up Trump’s assurances that Mexico would pay for the wall. Agreed, that is worthy of discussion and criticism. It was a bold campaign statement and there is no assurance that Mexico will pay for the wall.

BUT … it is a meaningless side argument. Trump’s promise makes no difference in the reality of the situation. The American border is porous. Too many people are entering America – and staying – illegally. Whether Mexico or Jeff Bezos pays for the wall (and he could) makes no difference. We need it secured … Period.

The savings in just one year to the American economy would pay for the highest proposed figure for border security … the metamorphic wall. It would come from a reduction in crime, reduction in law enforcement, employment opportunities for citizens and legal residents (meaning more tax money), reduction in welfare costs and even a reduction in the cost of day-to-day border security.

This issue has not been resolved for only two reasons. Democrats and the left-wing media want to bring down Trump with constant negative narrative. That is why they have hypocritically withdrawn their own past proposals to provide money for border security – including what they once called “a wall” – and their once voiced opposition to i*****l i*********n. As the situation on the border got worse, the Democrats commitment to fixing it has diminished. And there only seems to be one reason. Political opposition to all things Trumpian.

The second reason Democrats are not eager to close the borders is that they believe – and for good reasons – that the vast majority of the i*****l i*******ts that stay in America will support Democrats. They will eventually be legal v**ers – and in the meantime v**e illegally in some cases. The latter is not a theory of political paranoia, but an established fact in cases throughout the nation – especially in the major cities where the e******n process is controlled by corrupt Democrat political machines.

The amount of funding to completely accomplish Trump’s vision of an effective border barrier is minuscule to the size of even the discretionary (non-entitlements) portion of the budget. If it was only the amount of money that Democrats claim to be a factor, “the wall” would have been funded at the onset of the Trump administration.

Currently, Democrats are ignoring their own calls for a wall in the past and the fact they once put $25 billion on the table for border security that could have included walls. Their 180-degree turn-around was solely an anti-Trump tactic designed to appease their radical base. Rarely have even the most crass and partisan politicians waged such a major impasse over such a very small issue. The American people are now witnessing a comic opera performed by buffoons.

So, there ‘tis.[/quote]

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

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You have presented a ton of misinformation.. I can not understand where you get such bad information..

Also, you seem to think I am from California.. Only while stationed there.. I am from Minnesota..

Both states are doing very well.. California is the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world.. Minnesota one of the leaders in good economy always.. both have large surplus
funds in the State treasury..

The facts on I******s and welfare have been posted many times. If you wish, follow a link and read for yourself..

this reply is so long, better to follow the link and read it..

We do give emergency aid to everyone. that is what our nation is about.. We do not let them die in the street..

but they get nearly none of the aid that you mention..

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/illegal-immigrant-benefits/

Claim
Undocumented immigrants in the United States receive a job, a driver's license, food stamps, health care, housing, education, a "tax-free business for seven years," and "child benefits."

Rating

Mostly False
About this rating
What's True
Undocumented immigrants are entitled to public education in most parts of the United States.

What's False
Undocumented immigrants are not entitled to most of the government benefits afforded to United States citizens, particularly when it comes to health care and housing. Far from getting a "tax free business," undocumented immigrants pay taxes, mostly without benefitting from the programs they help fund.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

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Everything you have stated is fact. But the left/progressives are not concerned with our American citizens. They only want the power these illegal border crossers might give them in the future.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Then why are we spending 116 to 130 billion a year in funding them and what are we spending it on for theses 12 million i******s???

In 2017, FAIR's "The Fiscal Burden of I*****l I*********n on United States Taxpayers" report put the total cost of i*****l i*********n at $135 billion a year, while claiming undocumented immigrants paid only $19 billion a year in taxes. That leaves a net cost to local, state and federal governments of $116 billion a year.

The only study on the cost of i*****l i*********n done recently that puts the net cost of immigration at $116 billion a year id after defuctibg what these i******s pay in taxes... Yeahhh, I’m not believing that either..

https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/691997002

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Thank You, 👍
Yes, Louie, you are right, that’s what the whole thing is over!! They have lost their base of v**ers as they saw take place 2016 and know they can no longer double talk them or manipulate them..

Those people want better than the agenda of the progressive left trying to bring in socialism full throttle!!! When hell freezes over!!!!