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JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

It will be spent when there’s enough that matters. So what if the previous bill included DACA. In other words the democrats care nothing about border security. It was all about legalizing a bunch of i******s. They also knew they couldn’t get the bill passed. Kinda like the Republicans v****g to abolish Obamacare when thy knew they didn’t have the v**es in the senate. Don’t you ever get tired of being played?

moldyoldy wrote:

DACA was included in that bill, I would not support it. He has not spent the 1.6 that he got before.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

moldyoldy wrote:

There are a lot of variables in this. The border crosser normally are farm workers. The caravans are asylum seekers, a different breed. We also have the visa overstayers who make up the biggest group, they are from many countries. We could reinstate the program for farm workers that we had before. We can make e=verify a federal law, we could monitor H1-B visa programs. The bottom line is big business does not want to stop i*****l i*********n, and the politicians follow their lead.

Your progressive talking points are way off moldy !

There are Government work programs that are still in place and has been in place for all these farm workers local produce uses these programs and it works very well so if what you say all the i******s coming here are only farm workers looking for work why don't they sign up for this legal work program ?

I see where you are coming from because the media won't post the t***h do you know how many of these so called farm workers are actually M12 members as well as others you have no idea the number of criminals drug running cartels have been stopped at the border !

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

moldyoldy wrote:

The wall has never been a good idea.

Common idea of the progressives just open the border and let one and all come in register them in the Demo party put them on food stamps free housing free medical care all they have to do is v**e Demo !

It use to be folks coming here were those that had a desire to work hard and be productive citizens today there are those that are coming here legally and have to wait but the i******s is a whole different story .

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Remember when California was one of the reddest states? Because of decades of i*****l i*********n the entire demographic has changed. Now California leads the country in poverty and homelessness.

4430 wrote:

Common idea of the progressives just open the border and let one and all come in register them in the Demo party put them on food stamps free housing free medical care all they have to do is v**e Demo !

It use to be folks coming here were those that had a desire to work hard and be productive citizens today there are those that are coming here legally and have to wait but the i******s is a whole different story .

debeda

moldyoldy wrote:

There are a lot of variables in this. The border crosser normally are farm workers. The caravans are asylum seekers, a different breed. We also have the visa overstayers who make up the biggest group, they are from many countries. We could reinstate the program for farm workers that we had before. We can make e=verify a federal law, we could monitor H1-B visa programs. The bottom line is big business does not want to stop i*****l i*********n, and the politicians follow their lead.

May be is true. Or maybe WAS true. What I see are a lot of restaurant workers in my area, bus boys, cooks, etc. Also a LOT of hispanic females on welfare, who dont speak english and are NOT legal. I thought everify is a federal law? And it can be bypassed anyhow with identity theft, which is rampant. I still believe we have to stop the bleeding. The wall is like a band aid until we can. I saw a barrier that was more like pointed steel poles which would let water and etc pass. I am also viscerally opposed to the notion of a wall, for many reasons, but we just don't have the human resources to stop things the way they are.

debeda

Coos Bay Tom wrote:

I am of the opinion that if you know someone to be a jerk you don't support them and if they are running for office you don't v**e for them. You deserve what you got. It's that simple

His personality is rough, but his policies are sound and geared toward Americans. And he is the first politician in years to put the American people first. I'm more interested in actions and policies than words and demeanor. NO ONE could've said the things Obama said in a more polished and nonthreatening way. But his policies were abyssmal.

debeda

JFlorio wrote:

It will be spent when there’s enough that matters. So what if the previous bill included DACA. In other words the democrats care nothing about border security. It was all about legalizing a bunch of i******s. They also knew they couldn’t get the bill passed. Kinda like the Republicans v****g to abolish Obamacare when thy knew they didn’t have the v**es in the senate. Don’t you ever get tired of being played?

debeda

4430 wrote:

Common idea of the progressives just open the border and let one and all come in register them in the Demo party put them on food stamps free housing free medical care all they have to do is v**e Demo !

It use to be folks coming here were those that had a desire to work hard and be productive citizens today there are those that are coming here legally and have to wait but the i******s is a whole different story .

AGREED 4430!!! The talking points are from the FAR past!

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

debeda wrote:

His personality is rough, but his policies are sound and geared toward Americans. And he is the first politician in years to put the American people first. I'm more interested in actions and policies than words and demeanor. NO ONE could've said the things Obama said in a more polished and nonthreatening way. But his policies were abyssmal.

Keep drinking the koolade.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

JFlorio wrote:

Remember when California was one of the reddest states? Because of decades of i*****l i*********n the entire demographic has changed. Now California leads the country in poverty and homelessness.

California is the worlds 5th largest economy. You will not admit it. The deep red states in the midwest and south are in a bad way but you won't admit it.

badbobby Loc: texas

Coos Bay Tom wrote:

I am of the opinion that if you know someone to be a jerk you don't support them and if they are running for office you don't v**e for them. You deserve what you got. It's that simple

Tom
since you don't live in a border state,I'm sure you haven't felt the impact of so great many i*****l a***ns
here in south Texas
we are already a minority
.
Since there is no way we can assimilate all of them here,it only makes sense that they will start to spread to other states
soon there will be no U,S.A as we know it
And Tom they will certainly get to your whereabouts,then maybe you will understand why we need a wall
but by then
I'm afraid it'll be too late

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

It’s facts. California is the fifth largest economy. Unfortunately that economy is not very evenly distributed. They have the biggest discrepancy between have and have-nots. The reason the midwestern states are seen as heavily subsidized is due to they contain most of the farmland and military bases.

Coos Bay Tom wrote:

California is the worlds 5th largest economy. You will not admit it. The deep red states in the midwest and south are in a bad way but you won't admit it.

moldyoldy

4430 wrote:

Your progressive talking points are way off moldy ... (show quote)

H-2A Guestworker Program

The H-2A guestworker program allows agricultural employers to hire workers from other countries on temporary work permits for agricultural jobs that last ten months or less. To bring in H-2A guestworkers, employers must first show that they have tried and are unable to find U.S. workers to meet their labor needs. Although the H-2A program includes some basic requirements to protect U.S. workers from negative effects on their wages and working conditions, as well as protect foreign workers from exploitation, the structure of the H-2A program, including the dependence of H-2A workers on their employers, is inherently flawed and leads to a system that it is rife with abuse of both foreign and domestic workers. For an in-depth analysis of the H-2A program’s flaws, read our report, No Way to Treat a Guest.
https://www.farmworkerjustice.org/content/h-2a-guestworker-program

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

moldyoldy wrote:

H-2A Guestworker Program br br The H-2A guestwork... (show quote)

I don't the exact name of the program that the local produce uses but the workers fly into St Louis airport they are met with buss's that take them to the producer who houses them and feeds them till the job is done then they are returned to the St Louis airport where they fly home !

This arrangement has been in place for years and has had no problems that I know of !

moldyoldy

4430 wrote:

I don't the exact name of the program that the local produce uses but the workers fly into St Louis airport they are met with buss's that take them to the producer who houses them and feeds them till the job is done then they are returned to the St Louis airport where they fly home !

This arrangement has been in place for years and has had no problems that I know of !

I guess some work fine, but men can not be trusted to do the right thing.