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Dec 22, 2018 19:02:13   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
bahmer wrote:
You and your wife will definitely have my prayers for this. Take care there and trust in the Lord our time here on earth appears to be getting shorter and I am already looking for the rapture.


Amen to that!

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Dec 22, 2018 19:55:29   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Nobody said nothing happened or the church died for 1500 years after Jesus acceded.
Both Zemirah and myself have posted in detail how, where the church was flourishing. This is history rewritten and lies by the Catholic historians which aggrees with the hundreds upon hundreds of forged documents, history, oral history that has been revealed to be forged, which also has been posted in detail even the Christian orthodox church has a great deal of documentation revealing the forged documents.
What history does reveal that the Catholic church would like buried is the 1700 years they persecuted mass numbers of Christians for being non catholic and holding only to the precious scriptures. They try to excuse these killings focusing them as restricted to only the crusades, but history says otherwise.
The reformation was a continuation of the previous 1500 years not a discovery. It was Luther revealing the 95 false doctrines and posting them, not as a discovery but in retaliation to the ongoing Catholic church killing Christians.

The breakdown in arguing is history and revisionist history, forged documents from the earliest founding years that became the foundation of the Catholic church. If revisionist history has been accepted and indoctrinated as the only truth, then actual history that is in direct conflict becomes heritical teaching. I'm learning that believers in many churches are convinced that regardless of documents being validated as actual, the default still is churches claims to possess the true documents. Any evidence even Empirical (I know you understand the meaning of Empirical) evidence is dismissed.
So how is it possible to discuss in light of "if the church says its true, Damned be anything saying otherwise.
I use the Mormon Church as a prime example because both Christians and Catholics agree they are a cult with false teachings and the same frustration exist when they default to" but the book of Mormon says"..... Give them empirical evidence of actual history that is documented, validated as empirical and they dismiss it as anti-Mormon lies and hate because" the church says so " and" the book of Mormon "says so. Indoctrination is a powerful tool as we also see in Islam having the very young children memorizing the Quran/Koran and what becomes their response when actual history, empirical evidence is served up to them...." lies, because Mohammed says " and the Koran says".

Using the Mormon and Islam from Christianity perspective can you see a common thread in these two false beliefs? (rhetorical) they both have writings "Additional" to the Bible that contridict the Bible. They both have leaders that established the "Additional" writings claiming they are from God.
Using the same applications of catholic oral traditions (extra writings), leaders claiming they are from God yet they contridict the first original Bible in the exact same way as the Mormons and Muslims..
Logical reasoning in believing the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob..believing in Jesus as Saviour would be to default to the original and test all things by it. I can add the Jehova witnesses to the exact same pattern of following additional writing and a leader that says so..
With that said unless one steps aside from "because the church says" and researches the validity of "actual history" claims by Christians it becomes a circular discussion.
Nobody said nothing happened or the church died fo... (show quote)


Until 1054 there was only one Church who successfully defended the Christian Church against all heretical teachings and they spread that faith into the known world. If you are not aware of any of those formally defined and named heresies who within your church can defend you? All heretics recognised Jesus Christ as Savior and still they went awry. St Paul fought against Gnosticism. At one time a huge part of the church believed in the heresy of Arianism. They received their heretical beliefs straight out of the Bible from reading scripture. But they interpreted scripture apart from the body that wrote and protected it: the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. It's easy for you to claim there was revisionist history yet there is far too great a body of "empirical" evidence that refutes your own claim. There were writings and scriptures deemed uncanonical by the Church and not included in the body of accepted teaching. You cannot use what was rejected as proof for revisionist history. Finally, I do not really care what you believe since I'm not interested in converting you. I say this in kindness. In one sense I am betting my soul and eternal life that you are in serious and grievous error and you are doing the same with me. The differences between your faith and my own may be that critical. However, every time I celebrate the Eucharist within the body of the liturgy I pray a prayer of the entire Orthodox Church for Christian unity that, in accordance with Christ's stated desires in His high priestly prayer, all Christians may all be one. I believe Catholics also have a similar prayer in their own liturgy. Do you? Does your Church? And, as I have said several times, I am personally satisfied in knowing that God's grace will flow where He says it will flow not where anyone says it cannot flow. I'm not confident you would feel comfortable with that same understanding. But I would hope you come to it.

If your wife came before me I would anoint her with holy oil and pray the prayer of healing (Holy Unction) as directed in scripture and if she had sins they too, according to scripture, would be forgiven. It would be Christ who both heals and forgives not a priest who is only His minister.

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Dec 22, 2018 21:41:13   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
bahmer wrote:
There are two main types of breast cancer and they are Ductal and Tubular let us know what to pray for and if there is any info that I can pass on I will.



OK, I'll be learning as I go. We're in the process of getting referrals and I know one is a biopsy to determine what type.
Thanks for the intercession prayers, I know God wants us to reach out to our brothers and sisters.
Now it's the faith in God's will, but also a petition for his hand in intervention.
God Bless

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Dec 23, 2018 01:53:31   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Rose42 wrote:
Very sorry to hear that Jack. The prayers will be for you too. May she be a light for others during this time.


Thank you and God Bless

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Dec 23, 2018 01:54:01   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
TexaCan wrote:
I am so sorry! My husband and I will be praying for her! Your wife is an amazing lady and I know how much you love her. You are both blessed to have each other!

God Bless you both!




Thank you and God bless

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Dec 23, 2018 01:54:48   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
TexaCan wrote:
Amen to that!



I'LL second that amen to that

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