One of the greatest Christian preachers in history on Catholicism - Charles Spurgeon
Dec 13, 2018 10:04:57 #
Rose42 wrote:
You don't even read them so why do you bother commenting?
Why did you take the name of a Roman goddess?
Why did you take the name of a Roman goddess?
Just more pagan worship would be my guess.
Dec 14, 2018 00:23:17 #
Rose42 wrote:
You don't even read them so why do you bother commenting?
Why did you take the name of a Roman goddess?
Why did you take the name of a Roman goddess?
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Your brain is made of filth. My mind is filled with science. And Venus is the most beautiful planet next to earth.
When I was in the grade school playing with kids under the moonlight at the beach, I used to gaze and wonder at that Venus star so beautifully shining up there. It was a nostalgic moment that I missed so much.
Dec 14, 2018 09:18:23 #
Venus3 wrote:
When I was in the grade school playing with kids under the moonlight at the beach, I used to gaze and wonder at that Venus star so beautifully shining up there. It was a nostalgic moment that I missed so much.
When I was in the grade school playing with kids under the moonlight at the beach, I used to gaze and wonder at that Venus star so beautifully shining up there. It was a nostalgic moment that I missed so much.
Sounds like a good reason to choose it. Reminds me of this -
He determines the number of the stars; he gives to all of them their names. Ps 147:4
Dec 14, 2018 11:21:22 #
bahmer wrote:
Just more pagan worship would be my guess.
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Spurgeon was the pastor of the congregation of the New Park Street Chapel (later the Metropolitan Tabernacle) in London for 38 years.
Another lost soul Baptist interpreter in violations of Christ ONE UNIFIED TEACHINGS thru Saint Peter, the One Holy Catholic Church that could carry a UNIFIED interpretation as Christ so ordered.
Dec 14, 2018 11:29:35 #
Venus3 wrote:
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Spurgeon was the pastor of the congregation of the New Park Street Chapel (later the Metropolitan Tabernacle) in London for 38 years.
Another lost soul Baptist interpreter in violations of Christ ONE UNIFIED TEACHINGS thru Saint Peter, the One Holy Catholic Church that could carry a UNIFIED interpretation as Christ so ordered.
Spurgeon was the pastor of the congregation of the New Park Street Chapel (later the Metropolitan Tabernacle) in London for 38 years.
Another lost soul Baptist interpreter in violations of Christ ONE UNIFIED TEACHINGS thru Saint Peter, the One Holy Catholic Church that could carry a UNIFIED interpretation as Christ so ordered.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon may be the greatest Christian preacher in history. He deserves the moniker "Prince of Preachers". A truly great man who knew God's word. His sermons are still a source of inspiration today for those who have a heart for Christ.
Dec 14, 2018 13:55:11 #
Rose42 wrote:
Sounds like a good reason to choose it. Reminds me of this -
He determines the number of the stars; he gives to all of them their names. Ps 147:4
He determines the number of the stars; he gives to all of them their names. Ps 147:4
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At grade school I was studying the constellation of the universe, and the brightest and most significant one was Venus, Pegasus, and Orion the Hunter. I've learned those when I was in the 3rd grade, just a young little girl.
Dec 14, 2018 16:04:34 #
Venus3 wrote:
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At grade school I was studying the constellation of the universe, and the brightest and most significant one was Venus, Pegasus, and Orion the Hunter. I've learned those when I was in the 3rd grade, just a young little girl.
At grade school I was studying the constellation of the universe, and the brightest and most significant one was Venus, Pegasus, and Orion the Hunter. I've learned those when I was in the 3rd grade, just a young little girl.
I thought that you were using that book title from 1992 "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus".
Dec 15, 2018 11:30:19 #
bahmer wrote:
I thought that you were using that book title from 1992 "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus".
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Your filthy brain never occurred in my mind. All I thought was about science, and the magnificent beautiful Venus that lingered in my memory.
I think you dumb bald knucklehead has done nothing except growing old in defiance to God's orders and commandments to His people. The reason for that was you were an indoctrinated protestant to be a HERETIC.
Dec 15, 2018 13:31:13 #
rose42
More Protestant heretic compost. . . . dung, poo poo . . .
02/06/2007 Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
More Protestant heretic compost. . . . dung, poo poo . . .
02/06/2007 Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
Rose42 wrote:
You don't even read them so why do you bother commenting?
Why did you take the name of a Roman goddess?
You don't even read them so why do you bother commenting?
Why did you take the name of a Roman goddess?
Dec 15, 2018 13:41:23 #
I'm not going to read that mishmash Doc however, you are being so convicted! Awesome to see the Holy Spirit at work. You just have to yield to it.
Dec 15, 2018 13:45:10 #
Rose he is the greatest Protestant Heretic . . .
02/06/2007 Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
02/06/2007 Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
Rose42 wrote:
You don't even read them so why do you bother commenting?
Why did you take the name of a Roman goddess?
Why did you take the name of a Roman goddess?
Dec 15, 2018 13:51:59 #
Dec 15, 2018 14:23:18 #
Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!
Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.
Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.
And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.
Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.
Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.
That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?
On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.
Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.
And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.
We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.
The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.
We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.
Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.
For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.
It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html
In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.
Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.
Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.
So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?
I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a
Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.
So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.
The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church
And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.
I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?
Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.
Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?
Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.
So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.
And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.
That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.
I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.
By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .
When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.
And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .
Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.
Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.
And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.
Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.
Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.
That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?
On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.
Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.
And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.
We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.
The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.
We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.
Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.
For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.
It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html
In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.
Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.
Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.
So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?
I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a
Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.
So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.
The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church
And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.
I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?
Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.
Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?
Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.
So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.
And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.
That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.
I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.
By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .
When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.
And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .
Rose42 wrote:
Sadly, the author doesn't know what Christianity is.Hopefully one day she will!
Dec 15, 2018 14:38:32 #
TexaCan
Loc: Homeward Bound!
Venus3 wrote:
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Your filthy brain never occurred in my mind. All I thought was about science, and the magnificent beautiful Venus that lingered in my memory.
I think you dumb bald knucklehead has done nothing except growing old in defiance to God's orders and commandments to His people. The reason for that was you were an indoctrinated protestant to be a HERETIC.
Your filthy brain never occurred in my mind. All I thought was about science, and the magnificent beautiful Venus that lingered in my memory.
I think you dumb bald knucklehead has done nothing except growing old in defiance to God's orders and commandments to His people. The reason for that was you were an indoctrinated protestant to be a HERETIC.
You told us a while ago that someone or other thought you looked younger than your 74 years! You told us that your servants and maids treated you like a queen and how very much you do for the poor! Then you assure us that you could never be friends with any of these poor, uneducated people. Then you went so far as to tell Rose that you would put up 25,000 dollars for some stupid bet, but you said she couldn't afford it!
You seem to be obsessed with the way people perceive you to look and how wealthy and how many good works you do! You know nothing about us, and yet you act as if you are in a higher class of people! I was curious so I googled the Philippine Islands and their Caste System! Your actions reminded me of someone that had lived like that. It was officially ended in 1898, but it really still existed! This explains why you are obsessed with material things and how you are perceived, than anything else! Were you taught that in school? We don't have a true Caste System here!
The Bible certainly doesn't condone it!
You treat Balmer as if he is beneath you because he said that he was not wealthy, you treat me like that because I have only a high school education! You go so far as to make fun of us! This is not making you look like the person who constantly says she loves everyone!!!! What we both have are wonderful memories of a long loving marriage and children, successful work life, friends and family, and most of all we are SAVED! Not too long now , we will hear that trumpet in the air and we will be raised and meet Jesus in the air and will always be with Him!
Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. James 1:26
Dec 15, 2018 16:18:31 #
TexaCan wrote:
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TexaCan, I know nothing about you? Who are you?
Who started all those low level treatment? You have the liberty to calling me all kinds of bad names, but when I respond in kind, all of you get angry and don't like it. Life is two way street.
Being born here does not always guarantee of being a good citizen. I lived for only 16 years in RP as a child, with 40% DNA from my mother. I am glad for that because the love and culture was beautiful. Other 60% DNA is a combination of Spain and Italy. My uncles don't have Asian blood. They lived in the US all their lives.
My uncle adopted me to go to college, continued raising me a Catholic, and made me the beneficiary of his estate. My husband served in Vietnam dedicated his life for that.
I lived in the US 58 years. My 2 uncles served WW2. One died in Europe, and the other survived the Pacific. He and his wife don't have children. They both loved me very much.
The people I don't associate with are the wicked people, low morals, liars, and all kinds that are not welcome in God's kingdom. Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man who does not keep the company of the wicked". For example, I don't associate with HERETICS.
Don't accuse me I am bragging again.
Tomorrow, Dec. 16th, I am going to feed 40 homeless people in our church. This is my project. I am cooking and preparing dinner for them. I will gather all the mothers and their children, give them presents to celebrate the love for Christmas. I have other people helping me do all these things until 8:00 PM.
Somedays, I'll give everything I have to the poor, when God calls me.
What have you done. Except you hope and wish I have short time left in my life. Well, let God decide that, not you. People with ill-will to people are not under God.
I wish you have a long happy and healthy life. I don't wish you to have miserable lives on earth, or to shorten your life. God decides that not you.
In the event God calls me, I am ready for that. And God will say, "Well done my good and faithful servant."
https://biblehub.com/matthew/25-23.htm
I don't like liars, and people with filthy brains and low morals.
I have the right to choose good people around me, as God said, blessed is the one who choose good people. Psalm 1:1
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