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Dec 15, 2018 11:02:39   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
Doc110 wrote:
Please . . . Don’t Call Protestants . . . Christians . . . They Are Heretics

Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco

It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”

In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.

Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.

It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.

It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.



Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.

After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.

Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.

Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.

A redundancy if I've ever heard one.

Only Catholics can be true Christians.

No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.



The terms are synonymous.

Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.

Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.



It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.

Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.

A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –

What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?

Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.

To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.



Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:

It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.

No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.

The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.

Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)

Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?

Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.



In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.

And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.

The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.

With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.

This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:

A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.

He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”



Scriptures confirm this truth

My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.

“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.

“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”



It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.

Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.

Let me quote just a few verses:

“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”


It could not be clearer:

The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.

Christ establishes one Church with a single head:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).

St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:

“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).

In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:

“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).

The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”

Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.



Popes reiterate this teaching

The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.

Pius XII stated unequivocally:

“To be Christian one must be Roman.

One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).

How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?

Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.

Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).

Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:

“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.

Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).

Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.

Pope Pius IX stated:

“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).



In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,

The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).

Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.



How to fight Americanism?

Many persons ask me:

What can I do to fight Progressivism?

Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.



Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.

When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”

Stop and correct yourself.

Call him a Protestant.

It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:

Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.

It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.

It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.

The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.

Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.

Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.

Posted on February 6, 2007

Related Topics of Interest

The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities

https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
Please . . . Don’t Call Protestants . . . Chri... (show quote)

Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!

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Dec 15, 2018 13:25:18   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
tNotMyPrez,

Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.

Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!


Yeah, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1.987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Church oral and written historical traditions.

And then they try say, you're a new Protestant religion, that's been proven time wrong, time again.

Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.

Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.


That's a self serving religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?


On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.

Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.

And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.


tNotMyPrez, We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the Fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.


That's who you are replying into this post thread.

mwdegutis, Rose42, TexaCan and jack sequim wa, who are just 4 members, which I affectionately call them, the "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse."

The only other member you haven't met is Zemirah. They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.


I have no problem with Atheists, Agnostic or Deists, you all have Got given ("free-Will") to pick and choose you life's destiny with out God.

My Catholic faith is ever present, if you want to speak about God, the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ of His Catholic Church just ask . . .


The only thing I have to say, what happens in the end-times or imminent death ? And you're wrong ?


We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.


Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.

For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.

It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html

In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.

Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.

Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.


So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?

I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a

Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.


So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.

The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church


And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.

I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . tNotMyPrez ?

Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.


Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?


Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.


So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.

And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.

That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.

I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.

By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .


It's not my goal in life, but sometimes you bump into knuckle-heads, and in both of our cases, and you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.

The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse."



tNotMyPrez wrote:

Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!

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Dec 15, 2018 15:08:12   #
Rose42
 
Doc is creating no strife and division among Christians. The strife and division lies in his heart. He is fighting the Holy Spirit showing him the truth.

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Dec 15, 2018 15:56:14   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
You are a heretic Protestant and belong to a DEAD heretic Protestant Church, not Founded by Jesus Christ.

This is Historical Fact, try and disprove what all True Christians already know.


You Believe in Protestant Heretics, just like the Mormon Church you both have a man-Made invented Bible and man-Made theologies.

They are both one and the same, Heretic Protestant sectarian divisional Churches . . .


Read the "The Didache" . . . Martin Luther did not have this manuscript, for the Protestant Bible or for the man-Made doctrines of Lutherism.

"The Didache" was found in 1887 AD, lost in antiquity for almost 1,900 years.

Rose42,
This is how the Early Catholics Practiced the Mass and practiced the 7 Sacraments . . . and practiced the Liturgy.


You Protestant heretics have bastardized the Christian services.

The Protestant Church is a DEAD man-Made religion, with a invented man-Made theologies and man-made doctrines associated with the King James man-Made invented Bible . . .



LEARN SOMETHING FOR ONCE.

To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant . . .



12/12/2018 The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles The Early Church Patristic Fathers. (Part 1)

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html

The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations.



Rose42 wrote:


Doc is creating no strife and division among Christians. The strife and division lies in his heart. He is fighting the Holy Spirit showing him the truth.

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Dec 15, 2018 16:00:11   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
tNotMyPrez wrote:
But youse dun't hab a msg wirth conziderashun.

Hittin' the sauce a little early tNotMyPrez?

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Dec 15, 2018 16:20:25   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
Doc110 wrote:
Yeah, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1.987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Church oral and written historical traditions.

Ohhh myyyy Doc - - hardly anyone will read ANY soapbox of that length, let alone yours - - you must be kidding.

I hung in there and DID read it all, and I'm sure you'll have something negative to say when I tell you that I STILL disagree with your perspective.

You're just as much of a fanatic as anyone else, and each one of you believes that your way is the correct way, and the other guy is wrong...

As previously asserted, STRIFE & DIVISION !!!



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Dec 15, 2018 16:36:10   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Hittin' the sauce a little early tNotMyPrez?

No, that's a combination of my cat walking on the keyboard, and him not knowing how to spell. But I must say, he gets his point across...

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Dec 15, 2018 16:39:55   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
tNotMyPrez wrote:
No, that's a combination of my cat walking on the keyboard, and him not knowing how to spell. But I must say, he gets his point across...

He may have gotten his point across but that's more than I can say for you.

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Dec 15, 2018 16:42:09   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
mwdegutis wrote:
He may have gotten his point across but that's more than I can say for you.

Flinging insults isn't really interesting...



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Dec 15, 2018 17:21:57   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
tNotMyPrez wrote:
Flinging insults isn't really interesting...

I see...do as I say, not as I do. And by the way, you're obsessed with yourself.

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Dec 15, 2018 19:41:27   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Interesting video.

https://youtu.be/auM5dGm1hWY

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Dec 15, 2018 22:09:37   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
mwdegutis wrote:

Not really...

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Dec 18, 2018 16:48:20   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
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