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Dec 6, 2018 11:10:20   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
There is no denying man's impact on the earth concerning CO2, none, I could be here all day with scientific charts. Only i***ts don't believe it or are willing to acknowledge the facts. That's all I'll say about it, to argue with you would be to argue with the dead. Believe wh**ever fantasy you wish, the rest of the world will move forward, despite this i***t administration who allow companies to be environmentally irresponsible and companies who will go against trying to preserve our environment simply due to it hurting their profit.
There is no denying man's impact on the earth conc... (show quote)


Actually, I know of many i***ts who look at these references and charts and ignore the fact that they point to rising CO2 levels in "RESPONSE" to warming and NOT A CAUSE of warming. These i***ts also ignore the FACT that the same ice cores they reference demonstrate a lag in CO2 levels AFTER warming by as much as a 1000 years as well. They try to rationalize it away and are apologists for the g****l w*****g alarmists and "researchers" but it still doesn't change the fact that CO2 levels rise and fall in RESPONSE to warming and cooling of the earth which is driven by other factors, not CO2.

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Dec 6, 2018 11:21:11   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
The warming is most evident in the polar regions.
This is causing much of what we see happening.

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Dec 6, 2018 11:39:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
There is no denying man's impact on the earth concerning CO2, none, I could be here all day with scientific charts. Only i***ts don't believe it or are willing to acknowledge the facts. That's all I'll say about it, to argue with you would be to argue with the dead. Believe wh**ever fantasy you wish, the rest of the world will move forward, despite this i***t administration who allow companies to be environmentally irresponsible and companies who will go against trying to preserve our environment simply due to it hurting their profit.
There is no denying man's impact on the earth conc... (show quote)


Just another FYI Morgan, if you refer to the administration as the "i***t administration" then you are, in essence, calling those who support the Trump administration i***ts as well. YOu seem to be adverse to "insults" and yet you seem willing to dish them out. Just say'in!

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Dec 6, 2018 14:08:20   #
Lonewolf
 
G****l w*****g winters get colder and summers hotter




Capt-jack wrote:
1. It wildly exaggerates economic costs.

One statistic that media outlets have seized upon is that the worst climate scenario could cost the U.S. 10 percent of its gross domestic product by 2100. The 10 percent loss projection is more than twice the percentage that was lost during the Great Recession.

The study, funded in part by climate warrior Tom Steyer’s organization, calculates these costs on the assumption that the world will be 15 degrees Fahrenheit warmer. That temperature projection is even higher than the worst-case scenario predicted by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on C*****e C****e. In other words, it is completely unrealistic.

2. It assumes the most extreme (and least likely)climate scenario.

The scary projections in the National Climate Assessment rely on a theoretical climate trajectory that is known as Representative Concentration Pathway 8.5. In estimating impacts on c*****e c****e, climatologists use four representative such trajectories to project different greenhouse gas concentrations.

To put it plainly, Representative Concentration Pathway 8.5 assumes a combination of bad factors that are not likely to all coincide. It assumes “the fastest population growth (a doubling of Earth’s population to 12 billion), the lowest rate of technology development, slow GDP growth, a massive increase in world poverty, plus high energy use and emissions.”

Despite what the National Climate Assessment says, Representative Concentration Pathway 8.5 is not a likely scenario. It estimates nearly impossible levels of coal consumption, fails to take into account the massive increase in natural gas production from the shale revolution and ignores technological innovations that continue to occur in nuclear and renewable technologies.

When taking a more realistic view of the future of conventional fuel use and increased greenhouse gas emissions, the doomsday scenarios vanish. Climatologist Judith Curry recently wrote, “Many ‘catastrophic’ impacts of c*****e c****e don’t really kick at the lower CO2 concentrations, and [Representative Concentration Pathway] then becomes useful as a ‘scare’ tactic.”

3. It cherry-picks science on e*****e w*****r and misrepresents timelines and causality.

A central feature of the National Climate Assessment is that the costs of climate are here now, and they are only going to get worse. We’re going to see more hurricanes and floods. G****l w*****g has worsened heat waves and wildfires.

But last year’s National Climate Assessment on e*****e w*****r tells a different story. As University of Colorado Boulder professor Roger Pielke Jr. pointed out in a Twitter thread in August 2017, there were no increases in drought, no increases in frequency or magnitude of floods, no trends in frequency or intensity of hurricanes, and “low confidence for a detectable human c*****e c****e contribution in the Western United States based on existing studies.”

It’s hard to imagine all of that could be flipped on its head in a matter of a year.
Another sleight of hand in the National Climate Assessment is where certain graph timelines begin and end. For example, the framing of heat wave data from the 1960s to today makes it appear that there have been more heat waves in recent years. Framing wildfire data from 1985 until today makes it appear as though wildfires have been increasing in number.

But going back further tells a different story on both counts, as Pielke Jr. has explained in testimony.
Moreover, correlation is not causality. Western wildfires have been particularly bad over the past decade, but it’s hard to say to what extent these are directly owing to hotter and drier temperatures. It’s even more difficult to pin down how much man-made warming is to blame.

Yet the narrative of the National Climate Assessment is that c*****e c****e is directly responsible for the increase in economic and environmental destruction of western wildfires. Dismissing the complexity of factors that contribute to a changing climate and how they affect certain areas of the country is irresponsible.

4. Energy taxes are a costly non-solution.

The National Climate Assessment stresses that this report “was created to inform policy-makers and makes no specific recommendations on how to remedy the problem.” Yet the takeaway was clear: The costs pf action (10 percent of America’s GDP) dwarf the costs of any climate policy.

The reality, however, is that policies endorsed to combat c*****e c****e would carry significant costs and would do nothing to mitigate warming, even if there were a looming catastrophe like the National Climate Association says.

Just last month, the Intergovernmental Panel on C*****e C****e proposed a carbon tax of between $135 and $5,500 by the year 2030. An energy tax of that magnitude would bankrupt families and businesses, and undoubtedly catapult the world into economic despair.

These policies would simply divert resources away from more valuable use, such as investing in more robust infrastructure to protect against natural disasters or investing in new technologies that make Representative Concentration Pathway 8.5 even more of an afterthought than it already should be.

The Trump administration is coming under criticism for publishing the report on Black Friday. To the extent that was a conscious strategy, it certainly isn’t a new tactic. The Obama administration had frequent Friday night document dumps in responding to congressional inquiries about Solyndra and the Department of Energy’s taxpayer-funded failures in the loan portfolio. The Environmental Protection Agency even released its Tier 3 gas regulations, which increased the price at the pump, on Good Friday.

No matter what party is in charge, the opposite party will complain about their burying the story. Regardless, the American public would be better served by enjoying the holiday season and shopping, rather than worrying about an alarmist report. So, guess what I am doing down here in Florida for the holiday's, freezing my ass off.
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Dec 6, 2018 14:19:29   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Lonewolf wrote:
G****l w*****g winters get colder and summers hotter


I'd like to see a link on that one.

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Dec 6, 2018 15:41:23   #
teabag09
 
And that was with some 35 Republicans retiring. Mike
karpenter wrote:
And Republicans Typically Only Cast One B****t

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Dec 6, 2018 15:45:16   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Lonewolf wrote:
G****l w*****g winters get colder and summers hotter


I think you mean snowier winters.

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Dec 6, 2018 15:49:50   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
woodguru wrote:
The US GOP would rather continue paying money to the oil industry than switch to backing alternative renewable energy sources.


If and when that happens your bill to keep your lights on will be just $1000 or so a month unless you unplug your fridge. O' you may not always have power.

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Dec 6, 2018 15:56:08   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Capt-jack wrote:
If and when that happens your bill to keep your lights on will be just $1000 or so a month unless you unplug your fridge. O' you may not always have power.


Alternative "renewable" sources are just not ready for prime time widespread use. I noticed California has a law requiring solar panels on the roofs of all new homes. Requiring! And when they stop working, a few short years later, with it be required that the owner pay to replace them? And have you seen the costs of the batteries???

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Dec 6, 2018 16:06:10   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
Stats on weather started around 1858, so since that date, the temperature has increased 0.8K! That is what I call stable.
Also, NOAA has thermometers all over the world, but they keep moving them so that makes a lot of there finding skewed.
Plus buildings get built next to or very near to the measuring devices that create heat!!
Add to all this is civilization is paving over the Northen Hampshire with Black top and building, gone are the grass and trees.
So, if we could lose all the left wingers the temps would go down a bit.

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Dec 6, 2018 16:13:45   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
The warming is most evident in the polar regions.
This is causing much of what we see happening.


We KNOW that. That's how the machine sheds heat.

This is NOT a new phenomena.

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Dec 6, 2018 16:14:51   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Capt-jack wrote:
Stats on weather started around 1858, so since that date, the temperature has increased 0.8K! That is what I call stable.
Also, NOAA has thermometers all over the world, but they keep moving them so that makes a lot of there finding skewed.
Plus buildings get built next to or very near to the measuring devices that create heat!!
Add to all this is civilization is paving over the Northen Hampshire with Black top and building, gone are the grass and trees.
So, if we could lose all the left wingers the temps would go down a bit.
Stats on weather started around 1858, so since tha... (show quote)


Go back further and the temp is all over the map.

These people are utter fools to believe this g*******t bulls**t.

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Dec 6, 2018 16:17:05   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Alternative "renewable" sources are just not ready for prime time widespread use. I noticed California has a law requiring solar panels on the roofs of all new homes. Requiring! And when they stop working, a few short years later, with it be required that the owner pay to replace them? And have you seen the costs of the batteries???


The manufacturing of solar panels and batteries is highly toxic!! Obama's EPA band making them in America. How simple minded the left is.

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Dec 6, 2018 16:20:09   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Capt-jack wrote:
Stats on weather started around 1858, so since that date, the temperature has increased 0.8K! That is what I call stable.
Also, NOAA has thermometers all over the world, but they keep moving them so that makes a lot of there finding skewed.
Plus buildings get built next to or very near to the measuring devices that create heat!!
Add to all this is civilization is paving over the Northen Hampshire with Black top and building, gone are the grass and trees.
So, if we could lose all the left wingers the temps would go down a bit.
Stats on weather started around 1858, so since tha... (show quote)


The argument for warming related to the "concrete" jungle sprawl is even more convincing than any argument related to man made CO2.

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Dec 6, 2018 16:21:21   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Capt-jack wrote:
The manufacturing of solar panels and batteries is highly toxic!! Obama's EPA band making them in America. How simple minded the left is.


I know, right. But it's ok to pollute other parts of the world with heavy metals because we need those panels for our green minded Californians!!

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