buffalo Loc: Texas

Nationalism represents resistance to the left’s g*******t agenda. That makes it not only a good thing but absolutely essential if Western Civilization is to survive.

Black Pigeon Speaks makes a case for nationalism:

Contra the pernicious lies barked by liberal elitists like Emmanuel Macron, nationalism is not an antonym for patriotism, but a synonym.

http://youtu.be/sOCOHgyx7c0

buffalo Loc: Texas

The Arrival of the Invaders
As the arrival of the caravan at the border proved definitively, this Third World army consists of invaders, wh**ever their enablers in the media want to call them. Jason Siler of Blue Collar Logic was right:

http://youtu.be/YEmHEue87Wg

Complaining about the use of tear gas and pepper spray against the Central American army is absurd. The situation — hostile invaders attempting to breach an international border while using potentially lethal violence against those defending it — would justify the use of machine guns and napalm. Scoundrels would stop deploying children to war zones as weapons if they knew we would not wring our hands and submit to their disgraceful tactics. However, the media/Democrats want the Border Patrol to abandon their duty and shower the violent invaders with flowers, welfare checks, and v***r r**********n forms.

Siler refers to an excellent Ami Horowitz video that explains who handled the expense and logistics of the caravan attack. It is worth another look:

http://youtu.be/BFbiqlExkfo

Wait, I forgot. The Washington Post demands that we not call the attempted invasion an “invasion.” Sorry.

Ofra Ben David

Well said, and true Buffalo!

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

It’s been said many times. Until libs are ready to open the doors of their own homes (and welcome them as equal members in their own families) with the same zeal they wish to eliminate our borders, they are just hypocrites with a bad agenda.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

They are related, but not synonymous. Patriotism is defines as “love for or devotion to one’s country” and nationalism in part as “loyalty and devotion to a nation.” But the definition of nationalism also includes “exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.” This exclusionary aspect is not shared by patriotism.

In essence, patriotism refers to a devotion to those around us, and nationalism refers to the exaltation of government and its interests. The practical reality is that patriots do not start wars, nationalists do. A 'rise' in nationalism is not a sign of a peaceful existence for the future.

buffalo Loc: Texas

“exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.” Nothing wrong with that. It also means not letting non-patriotic, non-assimilating disease ridden foreigners overrun one's nation and turning it into a third world s**thole.

What were the Founding Fathers? Patriots, or T*****rs? That should be a no brainer, larry. Patriotism has always been an ambiguous term. We call the Founding Fathers Patriots, but had they lost the War they would have been considered T*****rs. Eh?

Were the "Rebels" in the Civil War Patriots or T*****rs? One could, as I do, support the rebels solely on the basis of American Nationalism. Secession was certainly an issue in both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War...

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

I always found it interesting that there is no mechanism for secession in the constitution, and nobody seemed to notice until seventy years later. You're right, by the way, the victors write the history. Had the founders lost their bid for freedom from the English crown, they all would have been hanged as t*****rs and their names reviled in the subsequent history books. Because we get to write that particular chapter of history, we call them patriots. Not 'nationalists', but patriots. Think about it. In that sense, those who fought on the side of the Confederacy were also patriots, just not 'Union' patriots. Had the Confederacy won its independence, their names would be lionized in the history books instead of the disdain they are subjected to today, and the world, in my opinion, would be a much better place.

pafret Loc: Northeast

Patriotism and nationalism are not necessarily an either or proposition and in most cases the geographical bounds of the county are also the bounds of the nation. Nationalism is the logical progression from tribalism to a more unified identity, which was characterized by the melting pot analogy. It is the spirit that binds all segments into a cultural whole with its own ethos.

Kevyn

Seig Heil the illustrious Pumpkinfuhrer and his turd Reich

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

I agree, one can be both a patriot and a nationalist, they are not mutually exclusive concepts. They are, however, different concepts.


Well, yes... and no. Where a tribe is a family unit, nationalism has no place, such as in the Scottish highlands up until the thirteenth century, when the clans ruled a given area. Each clan was a family unit and nationalism didn't raise its ugly head until the English king Edward I (Longshanks) sent his Lords to take over. Even then it was generally peaceful until the English Lords started legally raping the local women on their wedding night (Prima nocte, as it was called).


Are you talking patriotism or nationalism? Patriotism, most certainly. Nationalism, not so much. Again, it comes down to the bonding of people either by common interest or by government interest. As you've probably noticed, I'm no fan of nationalism, I see it as more an evil than a good thing. Without nationalism, many of the wars of the past would not have occurred.

pafret Loc: Northeast

Is your only purpose in life to make vile and scurrilous remarks without any regard for the topic under discussion? You evidently do not engage in any self reflection because if you did you would commit suicide.

Kevyn

Nationalism is the cause of the vast majority of modern conflicts and its mindless pursuit has cost tens of millions of lives. It is especially troubling and destructive in its use to devide a nation among cultural lines when the nation is made up of immigrants and their descendants from around the world. Nationalism is being stoked in this country by a power hungry narcissist who is appealing to the rage in the minds of undereducated white folks who feel threatened by successful people who are enjoying an American dream they are failing at achieving. Trump and the ideology he is fanning is a cancer on our republic as Hitlers was in Germany and PolPots in Cambodia. So my response to anyone who sees nationalism as desirable is not to confront them on an intellectual level; it is of as little use as doing the same to a flat earther. The only hope to get through their thick skulls is to over and over remind them that they are supporting a sociopathic criminal who is in office only by conspiring with our nations enemies to defraud gullible Americans. If you support Trump you are no better than the brownshirts who marched and r**ted for Hitler in the thirties, don’t forget it.

woodguru

No, confederates were not patriots, they were rebels.

I can't imagine the horror of having family, brothers and uncles who fought against freeing s***es and being forced to k**l them because you were on the side of freeing s***es. There are right sides and wrong sides no matter who wins a war, and the wrong side of an issue isn't necessarily going to lose, and when they win it does not automatically make them right.

The idea of a civil war, the conservatives fighting liberals or l*****ts as they are being called is repugnant and unacceptable. I h**e the idea of k*****g people who have been deceived by their own party.

pafret Loc: Northeast

You need to read the motto you have selected which appears at the bottom of your posts. Read it with some comprehension this time.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Like I said, the victor gets to write the history; and yes, Confederate soldiers were patriots, whether the history books say so or not, and I say that because they fought for their homes and families, not some government edict.