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Nov 17, 2018 03:03:08   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
This is from a Mexican Paper called International (https://elpais.com/internacional/2018/11/17/mexico/1542412389_526379.html) For a better t***slation, copy the article into Google T***slate (https://t***slate.google.com)
Loose t***slation (by me) and then the article:

The Mayor of Tijuana basically calls them "a bunch of vagrants and marijuana." Going on he says the Mexican government has failed to protect Tijuana adding "The tranquility and security of Tijuana is being affected." Gastélum, the mayor, has also promised a hard-line policy. "Any member of the migrant caravan that does not respect the law or the tranquility of the Tijuana residents will be presented to the National Migration Institute so that they can be returned to their country of origin."

The caravan orchestrator then complains that the bus rides, because many Mexican States will not allow the caravan to stop, are being deprived of rest on the long bus trips provided to t***sport nearly 2,000 to Tijuana. The uncertainty about the future of the caravan and how the migration pressure on the border will be eased has polarized the Tijuana residents: some support the exodus and others organize to stop it. "They come demanding a lot and giving little, Donald Trump will not let them pass and what are we going to do with this caravan and the next and the next?" Asks Ángel Mendoza, a resident of the city.

It then goes into the clash that happened Wednesday between the residents of Tijuana and the interlopers. Going on it says This weekend, demonstrations have been called for and against the caravan in Tijuana, where it is expected that in the coming days up to 6,000 migrants will arrive in t***sit through the Mexican Pacific.
END T***SLATION.

Now food for thought.... other newspapers from Mexico say the travelers are leaving tons of garbage on streets. In this garbage is clothing provided by people donating to the travelers. Dirty diapers and woman's products are left on the streets along with discarded donated food. Now tell me.... these peaceful nice people, if you believe the liberals of OPP, are disrespectful and causing h**e and discontent in a nation that rolled out a welcome mat.... what do you think they will be like once they enter into the US? Will they suddenly change?

End of my diatribe.

No me atrevo a calificarlos como migrantes (…) Son una bola de vagos y mariguanos”. Así ha reaccionado el alcalde de Tijuana, Juan Manuel Gastélum, a la llegada de la caravana de migrantes centroamericanos a la frontera entre México y Estados Unidos. Gastélum ha reclamado que el Gobierno mexicano “no ha hecho su trabajo” y ha exigido recursos para hacer frente a la última crisis migratoria en la región. “La tranquilidad y la seguridad de Tijuana está siendo afectada”, ha dicho el alcalde en una entrevista al canal mexicano de noticias Milenio.

El político del conservador Partido Acción Nacional ha anunciado que convocará una consulta para que la ciudadanía decida si quiere permitir o frenar el arribo de más migrantes de las caravanas en tránsito por territorio mexicano, aunque no ha ofrecido detalles del referendo. Gastélum ha prometido también una política de mano dura. “Cualquier miembro de la caravana migrante que no respete la ley o la tranquilidad de los tijuanenses será presentado al Instituto Nacional de Migración para que sea regresado a su país de origen”, ha escrito este viernes en su cuenta de Twitter.

Los migrantes de la llamada primera caravana, el grupo más adelantado en el camino hacia Estados Unidos, han llegado esta semana en autobuses que les han permitido cubrir una distancia de más de 2.000 kilómetros en pocos días. Los Gobiernos estatales de la llamada ruta del Pacífico (Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa y Sonora), la que han escogido los organizadores y miembros de la caravana, han acelerado el tránsito de los migrantes y no han permitido que permanezcan en sus Estados. Pueblos sin fronteras, los coordinadores del éxodo, se han dicho preocupados por la integridad de los migrantes: sin agua, comida ni descanso al no tener acceso a albergues y en viajes de hasta 48 horas en autobús.

Esto ha creado un cuello de botella y ha hecho que la responsabilidad del éxodo centroamericano caiga sobre los hombros de la ciudad fronteriza de Tijuana, donde se calcula que ya hay 2.000 migrantes. La incertidumbre sobre el futuro de la caravana y cómo se dará desahogo a la presión migratoria en la frontera ha polarizado a los tijuanenses: unos apoyan el éxodo y otros se organizan para frenarlo. "Vienen exigiendo mucho y dando poco, Donald Trump no los va a dejar pasar y ¿qué vamos a hacer con esta caravana y con la siguiente y la siguiente?", cuestiona Ángel Mendoza, un habitante de la ciudad.

Las tensiones escalaron el miércoles pasado cuando hubo un choque entre vecinos de Playas de Tijuana y centroamericanos que se habían instalado en esa zona de la ciudad. “¡Que se vayan, que se vayan!”, gritaban los vecinos y momentos después otro pateó a uno de los migrantes, que antes se habían encaramado en el grupo fronterizo y habían retado a los agentes de la patrulla fronteriza estadounidense. “Los derechos humanos son para los humanos derechos”, ha dicho Gastélum al justificar la posición de ese grupo de ciudadanos, criticada como xenófoba y r****ta. Este fin de semana se han convocado manifestaciones a favor y en contra de la caravana en Tijuana, a donde se espera que en los próximos días lleguen hasta 6.000 migrantes que están en tránsito por el Pacífico mexicano.

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Nov 17, 2018 03:11:12   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
Pennylynn wrote:
This is from a Mexican Paper called International (https://elpais.com/internacional/2018/11/17/mexico/1542412389_526379.html) For a better t***slation, copy the article into Google T***slate (https://t***slate.google.com)
Loose t***slation (by me) and then the article:

The Mayor of Tijuana basically calls them "a bunch of vagrants and marijuana." Going on he says the Mexican government has failed to protect Tijuana adding "The tranquility and security of Tijuana is being affected." Gastélum, the mayor, has also promised a hard-line policy. "Any member of the migrant caravan that does not respect the law or the tranquility of the Tijuana residents will be presented to the National Migration Institute so that they can be returned to their country of origin."

The caravan orchestrator then complains that the bus rides, because many Mexican States will not allow the caravan to stop, are being deprived of rest on the long bus trips provided to t***sport nearly 2,000 to Tijuana. The uncertainty about the future of the caravan and how the migration pressure on the border will be eased has polarized the Tijuana residents: some support the exodus and others organize to stop it. "They come demanding a lot and giving little, Donald Trump will not let them pass and what are we going to do with this caravan and the next and the next?" Asks Ángel Mendoza, a resident of the city.

It then goes into the clash that happened Wednesday between the residents of Tijuana and the interlopers. Going on it says This weekend, demonstrations have been called for and against the caravan in Tijuana, where it is expected that in the coming days up to 6,000 migrants will arrive in t***sit through the Mexican Pacific.
END T***SLATION.

Now food for thought.... other newspapers from Mexico say the travelers are leaving tons of garbage on streets. In this garbage is clothing provided by people donating to the travelers. Dirty diapers and woman's products are left on the streets along with discarded donated food. Now tell me.... these peaceful nice people, if you believe the liberals of OPP, are disrespectful and causing h**e and discontent in a nation that rolled out a welcome mat.... what do you think they will be like once they enter into the US? Will they suddenly change?

End of my diatribe.

No me atrevo a calificarlos como migrantes (…) Son una bola de vagos y mariguanos”. Así ha reaccionado el alcalde de Tijuana, Juan Manuel Gastélum, a la llegada de la caravana de migrantes centroamericanos a la frontera entre México y Estados Unidos. Gastélum ha reclamado que el Gobierno mexicano “no ha hecho su trabajo” y ha exigido recursos para hacer frente a la última crisis migratoria en la región. “La tranquilidad y la seguridad de Tijuana está siendo afectada”, ha dicho el alcalde en una entrevista al canal mexicano de noticias Milenio.

El político del conservador Partido Acción Nacional ha anunciado que convocará una consulta para que la ciudadanía decida si quiere permitir o frenar el arribo de más migrantes de las caravanas en tránsito por territorio mexicano, aunque no ha ofrecido detalles del referendo. Gastélum ha prometido también una política de mano dura. “Cualquier miembro de la caravana migrante que no respete la ley o la tranquilidad de los tijuanenses será presentado al Instituto Nacional de Migración para que sea regresado a su país de origen”, ha escrito este viernes en su cuenta de Twitter.

Los migrantes de la llamada primera caravana, el grupo más adelantado en el camino hacia Estados Unidos, han llegado esta semana en autobuses que les han permitido cubrir una distancia de más de 2.000 kilómetros en pocos días. Los Gobiernos estatales de la llamada ruta del Pacífico (Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa y Sonora), la que han escogido los organizadores y miembros de la caravana, han acelerado el tránsito de los migrantes y no han permitido que permanezcan en sus Estados. Pueblos sin fronteras, los coordinadores del éxodo, se han dicho preocupados por la integridad de los migrantes: sin agua, comida ni descanso al no tener acceso a albergues y en viajes de hasta 48 horas en autobús.

Esto ha creado un cuello de botella y ha hecho que la responsabilidad del éxodo centroamericano caiga sobre los hombros de la ciudad fronteriza de Tijuana, donde se calcula que ya hay 2.000 migrantes. La incertidumbre sobre el futuro de la caravana y cómo se dará desahogo a la presión migratoria en la frontera ha polarizado a los tijuanenses: unos apoyan el éxodo y otros se organizan para frenarlo. "Vienen exigiendo mucho y dando poco, Donald Trump no los va a dejar pasar y ¿qué vamos a hacer con esta caravana y con la siguiente y la siguiente?", cuestiona Ángel Mendoza, un habitante de la ciudad.

Las tensiones escalaron el miércoles pasado cuando hubo un choque entre vecinos de Playas de Tijuana y centroamericanos que se habían instalado en esa zona de la ciudad. “¡Que se vayan, que se vayan!”, gritaban los vecinos y momentos después otro pateó a uno de los migrantes, que antes se habían encaramado en el grupo fronterizo y habían retado a los agentes de la patrulla fronteriza estadounidense. “Los derechos humanos son para los humanos derechos”, ha dicho Gastélum al justificar la posición de ese grupo de ciudadanos, criticada como xenófoba y r****ta. Este fin de semana se han convocado manifestaciones a favor y en contra de la caravana en Tijuana, a donde se espera que en los próximos días lleguen hasta 6.000 migrantes que están en tránsito por el Pacífico mexicano.
This is from a Mexican Paper called International ... (show quote)



And yet we are expected to welcome them with open arms. BULL S**T !

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Nov 17, 2018 03:13:05   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
My thoughts exactly!!!!!

Weasel wrote:

And yet we are expected to welcome them with open arms. BULL S**T !

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Nov 17, 2018 06:00:59   #
JoyV
 
Pennylynn wrote:
This is from a Mexican Paper called International (https://elpais.com/internacional/2018/11/17/mexico/1542412389_526379.html) For a better t***slation, copy the article into Google T***slate (https://t***slate.google.com)
Loose t***slation (by me) and then the article:

The Mayor of Tijuana basically calls them "a bunch of vagrants and marijuana." Going on he says the Mexican government has failed to protect Tijuana adding "The tranquility and security of Tijuana is being affected." Gastélum, the mayor, has also promised a hard-line policy. "Any member of the migrant caravan that does not respect the law or the tranquility of the Tijuana residents will be presented to the National Migration Institute so that they can be returned to their country of origin."

The caravan orchestrator then complains that the bus rides, because many Mexican States will not allow the caravan to stop, are being deprived of rest on the long bus trips provided to t***sport nearly 2,000 to Tijuana. The uncertainty about the future of the caravan and how the migration pressure on the border will be eased has polarized the Tijuana residents: some support the exodus and others organize to stop it. "They come demanding a lot and giving little, Donald Trump will not let them pass and what are we going to do with this caravan and the next and the next?" Asks Ángel Mendoza, a resident of the city.

It then goes into the clash that happened Wednesday between the residents of Tijuana and the interlopers. Going on it says This weekend, demonstrations have been called for and against the caravan in Tijuana, where it is expected that in the coming days up to 6,000 migrants will arrive in t***sit through the Mexican Pacific.
END T***SLATION.

Now food for thought.... other newspapers from Mexico say the travelers are leaving tons of garbage on streets. In this garbage is clothing provided by people donating to the travelers. Dirty diapers and woman's products are left on the streets along with discarded donated food. Now tell me.... these peaceful nice people, if you believe the liberals of OPP, are disrespectful and causing h**e and discontent in a nation that rolled out a welcome mat.... what do you think they will be like once they enter into the US? Will they suddenly change?

End of my diatribe.

No me atrevo a calificarlos como migrantes (…) Son una bola de vagos y mariguanos”. Así ha reaccionado el alcalde de Tijuana, Juan Manuel Gastélum, a la llegada de la caravana de migrantes centroamericanos a la frontera entre México y Estados Unidos. Gastélum ha reclamado que el Gobierno mexicano “no ha hecho su trabajo” y ha exigido recursos para hacer frente a la última crisis migratoria en la región. “La tranquilidad y la seguridad de Tijuana está siendo afectada”, ha dicho el alcalde en una entrevista al canal mexicano de noticias Milenio.

El político del conservador Partido Acción Nacional ha anunciado que convocará una consulta para que la ciudadanía decida si quiere permitir o frenar el arribo de más migrantes de las caravanas en tránsito por territorio mexicano, aunque no ha ofrecido detalles del referendo. Gastélum ha prometido también una política de mano dura. “Cualquier miembro de la caravana migrante que no respete la ley o la tranquilidad de los tijuanenses será presentado al Instituto Nacional de Migración para que sea regresado a su país de origen”, ha escrito este viernes en su cuenta de Twitter.

Los migrantes de la llamada primera caravana, el grupo más adelantado en el camino hacia Estados Unidos, han llegado esta semana en autobuses que les han permitido cubrir una distancia de más de 2.000 kilómetros en pocos días. Los Gobiernos estatales de la llamada ruta del Pacífico (Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa y Sonora), la que han escogido los organizadores y miembros de la caravana, han acelerado el tránsito de los migrantes y no han permitido que permanezcan en sus Estados. Pueblos sin fronteras, los coordinadores del éxodo, se han dicho preocupados por la integridad de los migrantes: sin agua, comida ni descanso al no tener acceso a albergues y en viajes de hasta 48 horas en autobús.

Esto ha creado un cuello de botella y ha hecho que la responsabilidad del éxodo centroamericano caiga sobre los hombros de la ciudad fronteriza de Tijuana, donde se calcula que ya hay 2.000 migrantes. La incertidumbre sobre el futuro de la caravana y cómo se dará desahogo a la presión migratoria en la frontera ha polarizado a los tijuanenses: unos apoyan el éxodo y otros se organizan para frenarlo. "Vienen exigiendo mucho y dando poco, Donald Trump no los va a dejar pasar y ¿qué vamos a hacer con esta caravana y con la siguiente y la siguiente?", cuestiona Ángel Mendoza, un habitante de la ciudad.

Las tensiones escalaron el miércoles pasado cuando hubo un choque entre vecinos de Playas de Tijuana y centroamericanos que se habían instalado en esa zona de la ciudad. “¡Que se vayan, que se vayan!”, gritaban los vecinos y momentos después otro pateó a uno de los migrantes, que antes se habían encaramado en el grupo fronterizo y habían retado a los agentes de la patrulla fronteriza estadounidense. “Los derechos humanos son para los humanos derechos”, ha dicho Gastélum al justificar la posición de ese grupo de ciudadanos, criticada como xenófoba y r****ta. Este fin de semana se han convocado manifestaciones a favor y en contra de la caravana en Tijuana, a donde se espera que en los próximos días lleguen hasta 6.000 migrantes que están en tránsito por el Pacífico mexicano.
This is from a Mexican Paper called International ... (show quote)


Every year a clean up is organized to clean such garbage out of the San Pedro starting from the border and moving north. The only people who access the river from my place to the border are officials such as B*M and CBP, the U of A doing wildlife studies, bird watchers (which we allow access), and i******s. Only the latter leave trash and clothing, let alone dirty diapers.

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Nov 17, 2018 06:03:44   #
JoyV
 
JoyV wrote:
Every year a clean up is organized to clean such garbage out of the San Pedro starting from the border and moving north. The only people who access the river from my place to the border are officials such as B*M and CBP, the U of A doing wildlife studies, bird watchers (which we allow access), and i******s. Only the latter leave trash and clothing, let alone dirty diapers.


Forgot to mention that a couple of years ago the CDC was investigating a mysterious new illness centering around the river heading from south to north.

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Nov 17, 2018 06:46:54   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I believe every American pro migrant protestor should have to take a migrant family in.
Pennylynn wrote:
My thoughts exactly!!!!!

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Nov 17, 2018 07:54:05   #
DASHY
 
JFlorio wrote:
I believe every American pro migrant protestor should have to take a migrant family in.


I believe every American pro-lifer should be required to put $10,000 into a fund to help support the children the mothers cannot.

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Nov 17, 2018 08:39:23   #
Gatsby
 
JFlorio wrote:
I believe every American pro migrant protestor should have to take a migrant family in.


Really, I believe that all Pro Migrants should Migrate!

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Nov 17, 2018 10:22:23   #
DASHY
 
Gatsby wrote:
Really, I believe that all Pro Migrants should Migrate!


Yet to be determined: Are the people in the caravans "Migrants" or "Asylum Seekers"? The fate of these people is determined by the policy in the target country. An asylum seeker flees his own country due to fear of persecution and applies for legal and physical protection in another country. Their claim for protection must be assessed. This is the big holdup that people fret about. I believe we should invest more resources in the area of assessment, and then apply the existing policy (which president Trump thinks is BAD). The United States military is not equipped to take on this task. Guys and gals with guns are trained to k**l.

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Nov 17, 2018 10:44:47   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
WOW.... so what you are saying is everyone that believes in being proactive and not getting pregnant was somehow responsible because someone else had sex and created a child.... talk about passing off the responsibility for lack of self control on to someone else.

DASHY wrote:
I believe every American pro-lifer should be required to put $10,000 into a fund to help support the children the mothers cannot.

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Nov 17, 2018 10:45:57   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Stupid comparison. I am not going to protest demanding women have children they cannot afford.
DASHY wrote:
I believe every American pro-lifer should be required to put $10,000 into a fund to help support the children the mothers cannot.

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Nov 17, 2018 10:49:34   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
They are migrants by definition if they come to our border and that area is not a port of entry. Where do you dense liberals get off lecturing everyone else on compassion? When have you taken a migrant family in? Go to the countries they come from and help. Please stay.
DASHY wrote:
Yet to be determined: Are the people in the caravans "Migrants" or "Asylum Seekers"? The fate of these people is determined by the policy in the target country. An asylum seeker flees his own country due to fear of persecution and applies for legal and physical protection in another country. Their claim for protection must be assessed. This is the big holdup that people fret about. I believe we should invest more resources in the area of assessment, and then apply the existing policy (which president Trump thinks is BAD). The United States military is not equipped to take on this task. Guys and gals with guns are trained to k**l.
Yet to be determined: Are the people in the carav... (show quote)

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Nov 17, 2018 10:50:13   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Was that a typical reaction or what?
Pennylynn wrote:
WOW.... so what you are saying is everyone that believes in being proactive and not getting pregnant was somehow responsible because someone else had sex and created a child.... talk about passing off the responsibility for lack of self control on to someone else.

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Nov 17, 2018 11:03:28   #
DASHY
 
Pennylynn wrote:
WOW.... so what you are saying is everyone that believes in being proactive and not getting pregnant was somehow responsible because someone else had sex and created a child.... talk about passing off the responsibility for lack of self control on to someone else.



Not Exactly. Each woman should be free to make her own decisions about her own body. Others should but out.

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Nov 17, 2018 11:12:15   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Border patrol is handling the interviews of these people and our military is only there in the event these people try to illegally cross the border or try to break down the fencing.
Those "guys and gals" (could you have been more condescending) have been ordered not to shoot anyone. As for building "better facilities" for these i***ts..... no! We have US children who go to bed hungry.... people who can not afford to pay for heating, men and women without t***sportation who hike great distances each day to go to a job that pays minimum wage, elderly who has to choose between eating or taking their medication because they can not afford both, children who go to school without supplies, housing in such bad shape it should be torn down. They need our help, not a bunch of people who will acerbate the internal problems facing our poor. NO.... we must take care of our own....

So.... my question was..... if these people have ZERO respect for Mexico and Mexicans who have rolled out the red carpet and have been providing food, clothing, shelter, t***sportation and an offer of a permanent home..... what are they going to do to our nation where the President, with the support of many, have said go home we do not want you....you are not welcome in the USA? Do you think that these people will have any respect for our laws?
They have trashed each town where they have stayed.... do you think there is some magic that will happen when they set foot on our soil?

I just love unicorn and rainbow children.....they never grow up....

DASHY wrote:
Yet to be determined: Are the people in the caravans "Migrants" or "Asylum Seekers"? The fate of these people is determined by the policy in the target country. An asylum seeker flees his own country due to fear of persecution and applies for legal and physical protection in another country. Their claim for protection must be assessed. This is the big holdup that people fret about. I believe we should invest more resources in the area of assessment, and then apply the existing policy (which president Trump thinks is BAD). The United States military is not equipped to take on this task. Guys and gals with guns are trained to k**l.
Yet to be determined: Are the people in the carav... (show quote)

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