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Apr 28, 2014 11:49:49   #
carolyn
 
Millions of Americans are receiving notices that their health insurance is being cancelled or their premiums are skyrocketing. The state of Delaware alone spent $4 MILLION to enroll 4 people in Obamacare. And Obamacare expert "navigators" were recently caught on camera coaching people to lie on their applications. Now with the rollout debacle, the talk in Congress is about "reforming" or "fixing" the bill is no solution. All this would do is allow Obamacare's taxes and regulations to become even further entrenched.

The answer is outright REPEAL. And we Americans cannot settle for anything less.

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Apr 28, 2014 12:16:16   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Problem with repeal is we're at the point a repeal will leave even more uninsured. Democrats have backed themselves into a corner and now either lie or change the subject very quickly.


carolyn wrote:
Millions of Americans are receiving notices that their health insurance is being cancelled or their premiums are skyrocketing. The state of Delaware alone spent $4 MILLION to enroll 4 people in Obamacare. And Obamacare expert "navigators" were recently caught on camera coaching people to lie on their applications. Now with the rollout debacle, the talk in Congress is about "reforming" or "fixing" the bill is no solution. All this would do is allow Obamacare's taxes and regulations to become even further entrenched.

The answer is outright REPEAL. And we Americans cannot settle for anything less.
Millions of Americans are receiving notices that t... (show quote)

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Apr 28, 2014 12:34:48   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
Obamacare was broken from its inception on. Repealing it is the only way to remove/reduce some of the WRONGS it has inflicted on "We the People". The idea of "fixing" Obamacare is like trying to fix a three legged goat. Can't be done.

carolyn wrote:
Millions of Americans are receiving notices that their health insurance is being cancelled or their premiums are skyrocketing. The state of Delaware alone spent $4 MILLION to enroll 4 people in Obamacare. And Obamacare expert "navigators" were recently caught on camera coaching people to lie on their applications. Now with the rollout debacle, the talk in Congress is about "reforming" or "fixing" the bill is no solution. All this would do is allow Obamacare's taxes and regulations to become even further entrenched.

The answer is outright REPEAL. And we Americans cannot settle for anything less.
Millions of Americans are receiving notices that t... (show quote)

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Apr 28, 2014 15:09:29   #
Patty
 
I don't think anything will look the same a year from now. Math doesn't lie and the numbers say there is no way of reversing the damage.
"Because there can be no change without pain. It is unrealistic to expect government to simply say OMG, you are right – let’s reform! Gee, here is the power we stole unconstitutionally – sorry! My bad! Political change does not take place without pain. This is what revolution is all about. Government has NEVER even once in recorded history simply said it was wrong and handed back power without anything causing such a change. This is just the way things function. This is Jefferson’s Tree of Liberty that must be feed with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

Therefore, predicting the trend of the MOB is simple and that is what cycles are all about. However, that does not mean we are hopelessly lost as individuals. We personally possess the free will to act like dumb sheep or to see the train coming down the track and move out of its way. This is why there are always two forces politically. People ask me what would happen if everyone used our models? Very simple – that would never happen. There is always people who will never believe simply because they cannot see things in a dynamic structure. They can only see the world in a linear fashion.

So yes – it is inevitable. I can rally a few hundred thousand people and we can all march on Washington. It will change nothing as was the case with the Occupy Wall Street gathering. Government simply arrested people under all sorts of pretense. Michael Bloomberg, who was Mayor of NYC at the time, was more concerned about people drinking soda than the freedom of speech. God forbid they protest against his bankers – never forget he came from Salomon Brothers.

Just as the pretend liberal Bloomberg sought to crush the freedom of speech yet cared so much about people drinking soda, we are hopelessly lost in a declining spiral vortex of debt and corruption that will only change with war and civil unrest".

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Apr 28, 2014 22:27:32   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
Patty, in your last paragraph you say, "we are hopelessly lost in a declining spiral vortex of debt and corruption that will only change with war and civil unrest.". War will only deepen the spiral of both corruption and debt.
We will see relief only through civil unrest, perhaps even revolt.

Patty wrote:
I don't think anything will look the same a year from now. Math doesn't lie and the numbers say there is no way of reversing the damage.
"Because there can be no change without pain. It is unrealistic to expect government to simply say OMG, you are right – let’s reform! Gee, here is the power we stole unconstitutionally – sorry! My bad! Political change does not take place without pain. This is what revolution is all about. Government has NEVER even once in recorded history simply said it was wrong and handed back power without anything causing such a change. This is just the way things function. This is Jefferson’s Tree of Liberty that must be feed with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

Therefore, predicting the trend of the MOB is simple and that is what cycles are all about. However, that does not mean we are hopelessly lost as individuals. We personally possess the free will to act like dumb sheep or to see the train coming down the track and move out of its way. This is why there are always two forces politically. People ask me what would happen if everyone used our models? Very simple – that would never happen. There is always people who will never believe simply because they cannot see things in a dynamic structure. They can only see the world in a linear fashion.

So yes – it is inevitable. I can rally a few hundred thousand people and we can all march on Washington. It will change nothing as was the case with the Occupy Wall Street gathering. Government simply arrested people under all sorts of pretense. Michael Bloomberg, who was Mayor of NYC at the time, was more concerned about people drinking soda than the freedom of speech. God forbid they protest against his bankers – never forget he came from Salomon Brothers.

Just as the pretend liberal Bloomberg sought to crush the freedom of speech yet cared so much about people drinking soda, we are hopelessly lost in a declining spiral vortex of debt and corruption that will only change with war and civil unrest".
I don't think anything will look the same a year f... (show quote)

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Apr 28, 2014 22:50:44   #
carolyn
 
bmac32 wrote:
Problem with repeal is we're at the point a repeal will leave even more uninsured. Democrats have backed themselves into a corner and now either lie or change the subject very quickly.


So what do you suggest? That we go ahead with Obamacare and make working people pay dearly while the same one's that took advantage of free healthcare through the welfare system still get free insurance through Obamacare? That doesn't sound like much of a plan for the working people, does it? But if we v**ed Obamacare out completely don't you think the insurance companies would come to their senses and offer affordable insurance again? This might even force a lowering of doctor and hospital costs to the people. One thing is for certain. We will never see anything but trouble through Obamacare.

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Apr 28, 2014 22:59:05   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
Leaving even more uninsured is the direct result of Obamacare. People are losing their coverage even faster that those getting insurance through Obamacare. The Problem Is Obamacare. The solution is, simply, removing the problem. Is this not the solution for most all problems??

bmac32 wrote:
Problem with repeal is we're at the point a repeal will leave even more uninsured. Democrats have backed themselves into a corner and now either lie or change the subject very quickly.

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Apr 29, 2014 06:32:30   #
Patty
 
WS between the quotation marks is a copy paste. I see it more that the American people will be unlikely to change the task masters as history has shown they will not give up power easily.
Washingtons downfall will come from the fact that 95% of the worlds population is not Americans and they have grown tired of the constant military complex profit corp wars to retain reserve currency status.
They have abused this position and seem to be completely out of touch with the destruction of this country that they have caused. With debt to GDP at over 100% and unfunded debt at 5 times that. With a massive trade surplus as well as a trade deficit for as long as I can remember what do they do?
They have the S&P downgrade a country (Russia) that has a 10% debt to GDP and a massive trade surplus to just above junk rating. If they are junk what does that make the US financial rating.
I believe that Washington arrogant will be brought down economically. We have been living on credit for years now and these DA 's in Washington have picked a fight with 95% of the rest of the world and it will not be tolerated.

Winter Solstice wrote:
Patty, in your last paragraph you say, "we are hopelessly lost in a declining spiral vortex of debt and corruption that will only change with war and civil unrest.". War will only deepen the spiral of both corruption and debt.
We will see relief only through civil unrest, perhaps even revolt.

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Apr 29, 2014 08:13:02   #
Patty
 
It certainly can get worse and the i***ts in Washington are bent on it.
http://www.debka.com/newsupdatepopup/8029/

Moscow: US will soon face painful payback

DEBKAfile April 28, 2014, 5:39 PM (IDT)
In response to the new round of US sanctions against Moscow, Russian Dep Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabakov warned: "A response of Moscow will follow, and it will be painfully felt in Washington D.C." President Vladimir Putin said earlier that Russia will be able to replace any defense industry imports lost due to the Ukraine crisis with its own products. Washington has banned the export of high-tech items for Russia’s military industry.

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Apr 29, 2014 11:06:02   #
carolyn
 
Winter Solstice wrote:
Patty, in your last paragraph you say, "we are hopelessly lost in a declining spiral vortex of debt and corruption that will only change with war and civil unrest.". War will only deepen the spiral of both corruption and debt.
We will see relief only through civil unrest, perhaps even revolt.


We already have much civil unrest in our country already. And revolt may be just around the corner if those that believe we are headed for martial law by the end of November prove to be correct. The fact that there are thousands of guns bought each day should be a good indication that people are not trusting any part of this government that we are now suffering. Even some of our more patriotic elected members of Congress see martial law attempts in our near future. See the following website and others.

the-tap-BlogSpot.com/2011/08/ron-paul-federal-government...

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