PeterS

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost." Thomas Jefferson, Paris, Jan. 28. 1786

Now I do find this a bit ironic since Jefferson once hired a writer to slander one of his opponents.

Makes one wonder if he would approve or disapprove of Trumplethinskin though I would think the former...

cund

PeterS, it seems as though there are plenty of editorialists and very few serious journalists these days!

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Wow...that's gonna keep me flummoxed to the wee hours. Good lookin' out.

Seth

Today, however, it's "slander and attack" the president 24/7, without reporting a single, solitary positive thing he's accomplished.

I don't suppose the mainstream media geniuses might suspect that the American public just might be intelligent enough, collectively, to actually notice this trend, wondering, "Do these journalists really expect me to believe that all this president does is sit in the Oval Office day in and day out hatching insidious plots against women and minorities and tweeting?"

This may account, at least in part, for the public's growing loss of confidence in the credibility of the media.

Your Jefferson comparison is really reaching.

PeterS

It depends on the news you listen to. Fox boasts about having opinion news which means everything they do is editorialized. I think that many of our friends on this board would disagree about them not being serious journalists. And I didn't hear any opinions being manifested by the WH press core but the president called them any number of names so the only one editorializing was the president, not those trying to get him to give an honest answer...something he seems completely incapable of doing...

Seth

They were especially unruly, and Trump knows that no matter how he answers a question, the "reporter" is going to spin it into something completely different from what the president said.

Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

[quote=PeterS]"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost." Thomas Jefferson, Paris, Jan. 28. 1786

Now I do find this a bit ironic since Jefferson once hired a writer to slander one of his opponents.

Makes one wonder if he would approve or disapprove of Trumplethinskin though I would think the former...[/quote


Hey Peter,
I heard/read something along these lines before.
Not clear on the details of Jeffersons writer's smear I'd be willing to bet there is no comparison between the writer of Jefferson and say today's msnbc. Unlike msnbc and majority of mainstream media Jeffersons writer's smear did not contain fabrication of facts, or bold face lies.

CNN framed questions during the latest Trump /media event in such a way as to assign false blame.

As an example if I were the media against you asking a question.
Peter, if I asked others attending your high-school if you where a drunk, is there a reason why most would say a " daily stumbling drunk".

I'm protected under the constitution and never said I did interview your classmates or that they did call you a drunk simply by how I framed a question. But the question does cause everyone to believe your a drunk and classmates were witnesses.
This deception which was not before as it is today, 90% of reporting against Gop and Trump, and should not have the same protections.
A smear campaign based in facts, t***hs of current events without fabrication lies or misleading is a distant practice of today's media.

Take care

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Once more, you distort things. You make a statement with some oblique relevancy and try to pass it off as a t***hful insight. In fact it is not.

I know of no time that Trump advocated for the destruction or censoring of the media. Nor did Jefferson but, FYI, Abraham Lincoln shut down hundreds of newspapers critical of him and had many opponents arrested. Trump is having the audacity to critcize the media. The media can give it but they can't take it.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

If the press had treated your messiah as disrespectful and dishonest at they treat Trump you would have attacked them too. The trouble with you Progressives is that your sense of fair and balance is skewed because of the unending shock that he actually won the presidency. There is nothing he can do to win you over except to die.

PeterS

They've reported on his economy but they've also reported on the debt he's created and the expectation of a trillion a year in debt that his fiscal policies are going to create from here on out. The problem with your sources is that they only concentrate on the good and won't touch with a mile along pole the bad in creating his faux economy. Your happy because he's met your expectations which is why Fox and other RW sources won't discuss the debt being created during, according to them, a booming economy. It's not what you guys want to hear so if there is any mention it will generally be camouf**ged by something else--like McConnell blaming SS and Medicare even though the surplus of one is enough to cover the deficit of the other. That means no way in hell can that be the problem.

As for why the public is losing confidence in the media it's because of Trump's never-ending mouth and his labeling them F**e news that confidence of them is going down. Scream loud enough and long enough and you can get people to believe just about anything that you want. But Trump is definitely walking a line with his treatment of CNN's Acosta when he had Sanders come out with a doctored video. There were dozens of people who had the video in its original form yet somehow InfoWars came out with a different one? Well, the puppets in Trump muppet farm bought it but all Sanders accomplished was that she exposed the WH for the lying bunch of bastards that they are.

The results of the Midterms clearly has Trump shaken up and he appears closer to losing then he ever has. The only reason to fire Sessions was so he could line up forces against Mueller but then he hired someone so obvious for the purpose that he can't possibly use him. So he lashes out at the media--the foil for all of his pent-up anger. Trump is a man child who is about to make the acquaintance of a real man...

Seth

Obama increased the deficit exponentially higher than Trump, and with a negative rather than Trump's positive impact on the economy in terms of jobs and relieving the burden on taxpayers.

The aggregate of additional income tax collected through lower unemployment will pay for much of what deficit Trump has added, over time.

Au contraire, the media follows Obama's falsely taking credit for Trump's economy, or ignores Trump's connection altogether.

While Trump's calling the MSM "f**e news" has helped the public's perception go in that direction, Trump hasn't been lying or exaggerating, and the public is collectively smart enough to discern the t***h as well, just from the sheer volume of negativity in "reporting" vs the paucity of anything of a positive nature.

The rest, such as inferences regarding Trump's motives for various actions is all supposition based on political bias.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

When you progs blame everything on Trump don't ya think it skewers your objectivity? No matter what you do, no matter what you say and especially no matter how you feel, he's not going to change. It's good that you will have to suffer for 8 years while we help our president MAGA. we suffered for 8 years while Obama was destroying America.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Have fun, dude. Arguing just to argue means you have too much time on your hands. I should send you a little weed.

Comment Loc: California

The 1st Secretary of State Was Thomas Jefferson.

The 1st Secretary of Treasury Was Hamilton.

Jefferson h**ed Hamilton's monetary policies. They were at odds, always. Jefferson hired a Frenchman, named Freneau, who started an opposition newspaper relative to Hamilton. Basically, Freneau published articles in his np opposing Hamilton's National Bank and the use of paper certificates a means to get investors to buy the certificates and finance the startup bank.