debeda

That's why you look at all and try to parse the t***h

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

So your saying our concepts are not on the same level we perceive them to be??

Everything is an illusion?? Communication is hindered because what I say here may not be the reality as defined by plato or as you view it??

My perception is based on my belief right or wrong and is therefore my reality, right or wrong..

Diversity teaches as much as it creates Dissension.. Which is right here???

Seth

In many ways, you are correct.

However, there was a certain mindset to the times. We were still in the early stages of the cold war and there was a "c*******m bad, democracy good" philosophy in play.

I imagine that then, going to war with Ho Chi Minh to protect his non-c*******t but corrupt weaker neighbor was considered as good a proxy war to wage as any against the USSR.

That said, the Democrats should have thought twice about the young lives and treasure it was going to cost us before they accelerated it into a full blown committment and initiated the draft.

The tragic part was that those same Democrats then feathered their caps by interfering with the military every step of the way, causing the war to be prolonged and when we eventually pulled out, we'd seized defeat from the jaws of victory.

debeda

Well said!!

Smedley_buzkill

Why hello, Marvin. Where have you been keeping yourself? I actually perused some past posts and noticed some of yours. I usually disagree with you but at least your arguments are well thought out.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

I served in the US Military from 1959 thru 1979 and I have a different perspective than you. While c*******m doesn't "appear" to be as much of a threat today, I'm not overly confident that internally America isn't facing her greatest threat ever from that failed philosophy. C*******m in our universities is unwisely taught pretty much as being benign and that attitude seeped into the Progressive movement regardless as much as they might deny it. Such an attitude against c*******m was not the case during the Korean War, the Cuban Crisis and Vietnam. Personally I see little difference between Korea and Vietnam; same enemy different geographical locations. Both wars became too political and departed from the traditional American ethos of winning.......period! if Truman had allowed MacArthur to win in Korea, both China and North Korea would not now be c*******ts. If the military had been allowed to fully execute the war in Vietnam against c*******m, including the destruction of Hanoi, we could have won. Nevertheless, the American resistance against c*******m was effective especially considering the great unknowable - what would our world be like today if we had done nothing to resist the spread of c*******m? We can be certain that the threat to our own nation and Europe would be far greater and to illustrate that point, Cuba would have ICBM's pointed at us right now.

Regarding the war in the Middle East, it seems to me that many Americans have forgotten the connection between 911 and the war against radical Islam. Once again, just it was against c*******m, we are fighting a war against a radical philosophy and it too, like c*******m, is spreading. This particular philosophy attacked us in our homeland causing more deaths than Pearl Harbor and an additional further 1000 deaths, thus far, from cancer by first responders. For the first time we were attacked in our homeland. I find it smarter to war with them in their homeland than in our own, but fight them and k**l them we must.

Whenever we get so tired of defending America against evil, both internally and externally, we lose. We lose everything except our mere existence. Sadly, many Americans in our age believe it shows moral strength to resist defending this nation thru war and simply capitulate. I just don't happen to be one of them.

debeda

Thanks for the first hand perspective. And REMINDER!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Amen Aand God Bless you, always!!!

Two things you said ring especially true ~
We can be certain that the threat to our own nation and Europe would be far greater and to illustrate that point, Cuba would have ICBM's pointed at us right now. ..

And

Whenever we get so tired of defending America against evil, both internally and externally, we lose. We lose everything except our mere existence. Sadly, many Americans in our age believe it shows moral strength to resist defending this nation thru war and simply capitulate. I just don't happen to be one of them.[/quote]

We will never capitulate!! We will as, American patriots, stand FOR our country or else leave it!!

Socialism, c*******m, marxism and any other “ism” just will not ever be acceted lest we lose the very foundation of this great country~~ Freedom!! When hell freezes over, Mike!!! Too many gave their lives for her fredom we can not or ever succumb to any threat to take her!!!

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

I too, if able, will never go quietly into the night when my nation is in peril. The military has at her highest priority the mission that peace is their profession. And to our Progressive brethren I suggest that the 1% you're always touting is not the rich but rather our military!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Amen!!! As I read your post this came to mind~~

Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall.
-John Dickinson

This happens to be a favorite I have never forgotten..

debeda

AGREED and AMEN.

badbobby Loc: texas

I'll go with that Paf

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

padremike.....the other day I said a post you made was the best I ever saw from you. I take it back...THIS is the BEST post I have ever seen from you. Very well thought out and from a perspective of one who had a long term experience the topic. Also, thank you for your service. I had a similer idea about N**ism and I'll post it on this thread. Good work this post.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

The conservative West Point grad, I don't remember his name, from Michigan that lost his bid for the Senate, gave the very best response I've yet to hear when people thanked him for his military service. His reply was,"It was an honor to serve." I likewise respond. Thank you. I look forward to your comments on N**ism.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

lindajoy and OPP,
An idea came to me while reading this thread....what if we hadn't fought in WWII? What if we had just let N**ism cover the world? I mean, sure they slaughtered the Jews, homosexuals, and others, but that would have stopped eventually. The whole world could have enjoyed peace and prosperity (after all, that's how Hitler won over the populace i.e. a strong economy after 2 decades of near starvation and moral decadence.) Would it have really been that bad? Everything would have been provided for us, much as some on the left want it to be today. Had we just done as told, we would have been treated well. The N**is didn't want to k**l EVERYbody, just those who opposed them. We were a strong and hard working people, AND rich, so the N**is would have made us their favorites, I'm sure. Progress would have been made, we may have even been living on the moon by now. So, could it have really been THAT bad?
THAT is the thinking of some of our citizens today i.e. there is nothing worth fighting for, except AGAINST those who would fight for a moral ideology. In principle, c*******m is a masterpiece of e******y and fairness, but it falls to pieces the minute that humans try to implement it. Greed, power, authority, even absolute authority ARE FAILINGS of the human species. We MUST have checks and balances on the power of government. Why did we fight in Korea? Or Vietnam? To help the little guys prevent totalitarian government from absorbing them. We were the guys who could handle the bullies. The last and only time we effectively played that role was during the Cuban missile crisis. We backed down a little guy who was equipped by the biggest bad guy of them all...the U.S.S.R.. who was putting the northern and southern Americas in harms way.
The whole point of going to war is ideology. They're attacking me...that ain't right. They're attacking that little guy over there...that ain't right. It's all about right and wrong. I bought a ceramic elephant and when I got it home, it was from Viet Nam. That made me feel a little weird. BUT, look at Germany. They were after WORLD domination and directly and indirectly responsible for the death of about 100,000,00 people with untold expense and we're friends with them.
Freedom is an ideology in itself. It's not tangible. You can guarantee it with laws, but laws have to be obeyed. So, when laws are broken, there HAS to be an enforcer. Laws have to be upheld. Law abiders have to be diligent to see that laws are obeyed. Otherwise, laws are useless and freedom is lost. Some laws are written against freedom(s). People of good conscience have to see that 'bad' laws are struck down. Why do we want our leaders to be of high moral fiber? To do the things I just mentioned. The US is NOT perfect, because it is run by humans, but we are the freedom defenders of the world. We still firmly believe that we were doing the 'right' thing in WWII. We believed that in Korea. We believed that in Viet Nam, up to a point anyway. We put guys fresh out of high school into combat 10,000 miles from home for 2 years and spit on them when they came home. We believed that in the middle east. I know,...oil,oil,oil...but is there anything WORSE than cutting off the head of a 6 year old girl because her dad was a Christian? Untold brutality HAS to be stopped. Look back at the seventies...the Shaw of Iran was NOT a good guy, but look what we got after he was deposed. We have had NOTHING but trouble with Iran ever since.
So, we HAD to fight in WWII and all the others, because we are a freedom loving people, a people who chooses right over wrong. We populate the most powerful nation on earth and we have attempted to keep the power mongers of the world under control.
Now, we are fighting amongst ourselves over our borders. We fought and sacrificed hundreds and hundreds of thousands of men to eliminate N**ism, yet now, some want no border at all, saying we have always been that way. We have not. People on the coasts and in BIG cities have somehow twisted our history into US being the bad guys. C*******m has crept into our collages and a religion that murders is gaining acceptance more and more. People are beginning to h**e this beloved country, and some are even apologizing for being born Caucasian. It's more than just politics..it's geographical. The coastal regions against the heartland. So, should we fight our own people? If the people of good will, good conscience, and stout moral character want to preserve this, the GREATEST NATION ON EARTH, then we must do so.
No, we are not in a cave...we are in the light fighting to stay OUT of the cave. Opponents throw all manner of slings and arrows at us, not matter how it stretches reality, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how hypocritical. My dad's dad didn't like my mother at all, but he loved his other 2 daughters in law. BUT, when it came down to someone handling his money near the end, he told dad that he trusted my mom. W are like that...no-one likes us, but when they NEED someone to count on, they come a'runnin'.
Nope...we are NOT in a cave.