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Oct 30, 2018 08:54:08   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-can-stop-this-american-carnage/2018/10/29/ee7cd672-dba8-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html?utm_term=.60c6b2d1294b

WE’RE UNDER fire, we’re under fire. He’s got an automatic weapon,” was the report Saturday morning from one of the first police officers to respond to the shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. Minutes later, another officer radioed, “We’re taking on AK-47 fire from out the front of the synagogue.” Before the gunman was captured, four police officers were wounded and 11 people had been shot to death.

Once again, a piece of America had been turned into a war zone. Once again, the casualties were innocent people engaged in the rhythms of everyday life — this time, mostly elderly people practicing their religion. Once again, the question must be asked of what it will take — how many more mass shootings, lost lives and devastated communities — before Congress enacts sensible gun control that includes banning weapons designed for war.

According to authorities, the accused murderer in Saturday’s shooting — a 46-year-old man who reportedly proclaimed he wanted “all Jews to die” — was armed with three handguns and an AR-15, all of which he legally owned. The AR-15 or a variation of it has been used in other terrible, tragic mass shootings: in February at a high school in Parkland, Fla. (17 dead and 17 injured); in 2017 at a Las Vegas music concert (58 dead, hundreds injured); in 2016 at a nightclub in Florida (49 dead, 53 injured); in 2012 at a movie theater in Colorado (12 dead, 58 injured) and in 2012 at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. (26 dead, two injured).

Assault-style weapons and large-capacity magazines are the weapon of choice of mass murderers precisely because of their capability to k**l the most people in the shortest time. Mass shootings account for a minority of gun fatalities, but the use of assault weapons greatly increases the rates of death and injury as well as the severity of injuries. As was vividly underscored by Saturday’s events, the risk they pose to law enforcement is great and should give lie to those who think the solution to gun violence is even more guns.

Polls consistently show that a majority of Americans support laws prohibiting assault weapons. Significant numbers of gun owners — 48 percent, according to a 2017 Pew Research Center poll — also support a ban on assault-style weapons. The previous national ban on assault weapons, enacted by Congress in 1994 but allowed to expire in 2004, showed a decrease in the use of assault weapons in crime. Gun policy experts asked by the New York Times to rate the effectiveness of policy changes to prevent mass shootings gave their highest ratings to a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

The slaughter of little children at Sandy Hook Elementary School should have been enough to persuade Congress to ban assault weapons and enact other common-sense measures. That it wasn’t is both tragedy and disgrace. The carnage that has followed — the Tree of Life shooting being the most recent — has unfortunately failed to stiffen the spines of national lawmakers. But v**ers next week will have the chance to send their own message. They should elect a Congress that will protect them by enacting long-overdue gun reform that includes getting weapons of war off America’s streets and out of its schools, theaters, churches and synagogues.

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Oct 30, 2018 09:02:43   #
American Vet
 
Exactly what is an "assault style weapon"?

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Oct 30, 2018 09:06:06   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-can-stop-this-american-carnage/2018/10/29/ee7cd672-dba8-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html?utm_term=.60c6b2d1294b

WE’RE UNDER fire, we’re under fire. He’s got an automatic weapon,” was the report Saturday morning from one of the first police officers to respond to the shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. Minutes later, another officer radioed, “We’re taking on AK-47 fire from out the front of the synagogue.” Before the gunman was captured, four police officers were wounded and 11 people had been shot to death.

Once again, a piece of America had been turned into a war zone. Once again, the casualties were innocent people engaged in the rhythms of everyday life — this time, mostly elderly people practicing their religion. Once again, the question must be asked of what it will take — how many more mass shootings, lost lives and devastated communities — before Congress enacts sensible gun control that includes banning weapons designed for war.

According to authorities, the accused murderer in Saturday’s shooting — a 46-year-old man who reportedly proclaimed he wanted “all Jews to die” — was armed with three handguns and an AR-15, all of which he legally owned. The AR-15 or a variation of it has been used in other terrible, tragic mass shootings: in February at a high school in Parkland, Fla. (17 dead and 17 injured); in 2017 at a Las Vegas music concert (58 dead, hundreds injured); in 2016 at a nightclub in Florida (49 dead, 53 injured); in 2012 at a movie theater in Colorado (12 dead, 58 injured) and in 2012 at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. (26 dead, two injured).

Assault-style weapons and large-capacity magazines are the weapon of choice of mass murderers precisely because of their capability to k**l the most people in the shortest time. Mass shootings account for a minority of gun fatalities, but the use of assault weapons greatly increases the rates of death and injury as well as the severity of injuries. As was vividly underscored by Saturday’s events, the risk they pose to law enforcement is great and should give lie to those who think the solution to gun violence is even more guns.

Polls consistently show that a majority of Americans support laws prohibiting assault weapons. Significant numbers of gun owners — 48 percent, according to a 2017 Pew Research Center poll — also support a ban on assault-style weapons. The previous national ban on assault weapons, enacted by Congress in 1994 but allowed to expire in 2004, showed a decrease in the use of assault weapons in crime. Gun policy experts asked by the New York Times to rate the effectiveness of policy changes to prevent mass shootings gave their highest ratings to a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

The slaughter of little children at Sandy Hook Elementary School should have been enough to persuade Congress to ban assault weapons and enact other common-sense measures. That it wasn’t is both tragedy and disgrace. The carnage that has followed — the Tree of Life shooting being the most recent — has unfortunately failed to stiffen the spines of national lawmakers. But v**ers next week will have the chance to send their own message. They should elect a Congress that will protect them by enacting long-overdue gun reform that includes getting weapons of war off America’s streets and out of its schools, theaters, churches and synagogues.
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How about recognition of the lives lost because of some whacked out h**er, instead of politicizing this tragedy?? Come on Bob~~

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Oct 30, 2018 09:08:49   #
boofhead
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-can-stop-this-american-carnage/2018/10/29/ee7cd672-dba8-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html?utm_term=.60c6b2d1294b

WE’RE UNDER fire, we’re under fire. He’s got an automatic weapon,” was the report Saturday morning from one of the first police officers to respond to the shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. Minutes later, another officer radioed, “We’re taking on AK-47 fire from out the front of the synagogue.” Before the gunman was captured, four police officers were wounded and 11 people had been shot to death.

Once again, a piece of America had been turned into a war zone. Once again, the casualties were innocent people engaged in the rhythms of everyday life — this time, mostly elderly people practicing their religion. Once again, the question must be asked of what it will take — how many more mass shootings, lost lives and devastated communities — before Congress enacts sensible gun control that includes banning weapons designed for war.

According to authorities, the accused murderer in Saturday’s shooting — a 46-year-old man who reportedly proclaimed he wanted “all Jews to die” — was armed with three handguns and an AR-15, all of which he legally owned. The AR-15 or a variation of it has been used in other terrible, tragic mass shootings: in February at a high school in Parkland, Fla. (17 dead and 17 injured); in 2017 at a Las Vegas music concert (58 dead, hundreds injured); in 2016 at a nightclub in Florida (49 dead, 53 injured); in 2012 at a movie theater in Colorado (12 dead, 58 injured) and in 2012 at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. (26 dead, two injured).

Assault-style weapons and large-capacity magazines are the weapon of choice of mass murderers precisely because of their capability to k**l the most people in the shortest time. Mass shootings account for a minority of gun fatalities, but the use of assault weapons greatly increases the rates of death and injury as well as the severity of injuries. As was vividly underscored by Saturday’s events, the risk they pose to law enforcement is great and should give lie to those who think the solution to gun violence is even more guns.

Polls consistently show that a majority of Americans support laws prohibiting assault weapons. Significant numbers of gun owners — 48 percent, according to a 2017 Pew Research Center poll — also support a ban on assault-style weapons. The previous national ban on assault weapons, enacted by Congress in 1994 but allowed to expire in 2004, showed a decrease in the use of assault weapons in crime. Gun policy experts asked by the New York Times to rate the effectiveness of policy changes to prevent mass shootings gave their highest ratings to a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

The slaughter of little children at Sandy Hook Elementary School should have been enough to persuade Congress to ban assault weapons and enact other common-sense measures. That it wasn’t is both tragedy and disgrace. The carnage that has followed — the Tree of Life shooting being the most recent — has unfortunately failed to stiffen the spines of national lawmakers. But v**ers next week will have the chance to send their own message. They should elect a Congress that will protect them by enacting long-overdue gun reform that includes getting weapons of war off America’s streets and out of its schools, theaters, churches and synagogues.
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A few hundreds of lives lost every year due to AR15 use in crime, which is against the law by the way (duh) compared to over a million babies torn apart in the womb in the same timeframe.

If you don't agree that a******n is a crime then you have no moral right to complain about the use of guns or any other outrage you might see.

We can stop this American carnage (a******n) just the same way we can stop the use of AR15s in crime. Enforce the law.

There are laws against murder and against the use of force against the civilian population already. Enforce them. If necessary, use armed guards or have more police on scene or encourage armed citizens. Make it too difficult for the bad guys to succeed.

Meanwhile show your moral courage by enforcing the law against casual (for convenience) a******n. I bet you don't know that Roe v Wade does not allow for the murder of so many innocent babies. It merely standardized the a******n laws in the country; it did not allow for a******n on demand. Only a******ns in the first trimester are legal and only then if a Physician affirms that it is medically necessary. How about we put those a******n doctors on trial if they cannot medically show that the a******n was necessary? How about we go after those doctors who approve a******ns for second and third trimester without sound medical evidence that if not carried out the mother or baby is at serious risk of death (as RvW requires)?

Just as we could do something about guns without hurting the rights of citizens, we can save our children and stop illegal invasions and many other outrages we face on a daily basis if we follow the law. And we save more lives. Simple, eh?

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Oct 30, 2018 09:10:51   #
Liberty Tree
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-can-stop-this-american-carnage/2018/10/29/ee7cd672-dba8-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html?utm_term=.60c6b2d1294b

WE’RE UNDER fire, we’re under fire. He’s got an automatic weapon,” was the report Saturday morning from one of the first police officers to respond to the shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. Minutes later, another officer radioed, “We’re taking on AK-47 fire from out the front of the synagogue.” Before the gunman was captured, four police officers were wounded and 11 people had been shot to death.

Once again, a piece of America had been turned into a war zone. Once again, the casualties were innocent people engaged in the rhythms of everyday life — this time, mostly elderly people practicing their religion. Once again, the question must be asked of what it will take — how many more mass shootings, lost lives and devastated communities — before Congress enacts sensible gun control that includes banning weapons designed for war.

According to authorities, the accused murderer in Saturday’s shooting — a 46-year-old man who reportedly proclaimed he wanted “all Jews to die” — was armed with three handguns and an AR-15, all of which he legally owned. The AR-15 or a variation of it has been used in other terrible, tragic mass shootings: in February at a high school in Parkland, Fla. (17 dead and 17 injured); in 2017 at a Las Vegas music concert (58 dead, hundreds injured); in 2016 at a nightclub in Florida (49 dead, 53 injured); in 2012 at a movie theater in Colorado (12 dead, 58 injured) and in 2012 at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. (26 dead, two injured).

Assault-style weapons and large-capacity magazines are the weapon of choice of mass murderers precisely because of their capability to k**l the most people in the shortest time. Mass shootings account for a minority of gun fatalities, but the use of assault weapons greatly increases the rates of death and injury as well as the severity of injuries. As was vividly underscored by Saturday’s events, the risk they pose to law enforcement is great and should give lie to those who think the solution to gun violence is even more guns.

Polls consistently show that a majority of Americans support laws prohibiting assault weapons. Significant numbers of gun owners — 48 percent, according to a 2017 Pew Research Center poll — also support a ban on assault-style weapons. The previous national ban on assault weapons, enacted by Congress in 1994 but allowed to expire in 2004, showed a decrease in the use of assault weapons in crime. Gun policy experts asked by the New York Times to rate the effectiveness of policy changes to prevent mass shootings gave their highest ratings to a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

The slaughter of little children at Sandy Hook Elementary School should have been enough to persuade Congress to ban assault weapons and enact other common-sense measures. That it wasn’t is both tragedy and disgrace. The carnage that has followed — the Tree of Life shooting being the most recent — has unfortunately failed to stiffen the spines of national lawmakers. But v**ers next week will have the chance to send their own message. They should elect a Congress that will protect them by enacting long-overdue gun reform that includes getting weapons of war off America’s streets and out of its schools, theaters, churches and synagogues.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-can-sto... (show quote)


If you really believe banning weapons will get them off the streets, you are extremely naive. To stop mass shootings we have to bring up a new generation of youth who are taught godly principles in school and at home, who learn how to handle disappointments at an early age, who have a respect for life, and who not fed secular humanism in our educational settings that breeds selfishness and a concern only for self induced principles that lead to these type of mass taking of life.

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Oct 30, 2018 09:23:14   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-can-stop-this-american-carnage/2018/10/29/ee7cd672-dba8-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html?utm_term=.60c6b2d1294b

WE’RE UNDER fire, we’re under fire. He’s got an automatic weapon,” was the report Saturday morning from one of the first police officers to respond to the shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. Minutes later, another officer radioed, “We’re taking on AK-47 fire from out the front of the synagogue.” Before the gunman was captured, four police officers were wounded and 11 people had been shot to death.

Once again, a piece of America had been turned into a war zone. Once again, the casualties were innocent people engaged in the rhythms of everyday life — this time, mostly elderly people practicing their religion. Once again, the question must be asked of what it will take — how many more mass shootings, lost lives and devastated communities — before Congress enacts sensible gun control that includes banning weapons designed for war.

According to authorities, the accused murderer in Saturday’s shooting — a 46-year-old man who reportedly proclaimed he wanted “all Jews to die” — was armed with three handguns and an AR-15, all of which he legally owned. The AR-15 or a variation of it has been used in other terrible, tragic mass shootings: in February at a high school in Parkland, Fla. (17 dead and 17 injured); in 2017 at a Las Vegas music concert (58 dead, hundreds injured); in 2016 at a nightclub in Florida (49 dead, 53 injured); in 2012 at a movie theater in Colorado (12 dead, 58 injured) and in 2012 at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. (26 dead, two injured).

Assault-style weapons and large-capacity magazines are the weapon of choice of mass murderers precisely because of their capability to k**l the most people in the shortest time. Mass shootings account for a minority of gun fatalities, but the use of assault weapons greatly increases the rates of death and injury as well as the severity of injuries. As was vividly underscored by Saturday’s events, the risk they pose to law enforcement is great and should give lie to those who think the solution to gun violence is even more guns.

Polls consistently show that a majority of Americans support laws prohibiting assault weapons. Significant numbers of gun owners — 48 percent, according to a 2017 Pew Research Center poll — also support a ban on assault-style weapons. The previous national ban on assault weapons, enacted by Congress in 1994 but allowed to expire in 2004, showed a decrease in the use of assault weapons in crime. Gun policy experts asked by the New York Times to rate the effectiveness of policy changes to prevent mass shootings gave their highest ratings to a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

The slaughter of little children at Sandy Hook Elementary School should have been enough to persuade Congress to ban assault weapons and enact other common-sense measures. That it wasn’t is both tragedy and disgrace. The carnage that has followed — the Tree of Life shooting being the most recent — has unfortunately failed to stiffen the spines of national lawmakers. But v**ers next week will have the chance to send their own message. They should elect a Congress that will protect them by enacting long-overdue gun reform that includes getting weapons of war off America’s streets and out of its schools, theaters, churches and synagogues.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-can-sto... (show quote)



You are the same person who holds murdering babies as a sacred right and you also say "F the second amendment" How about start using guns to abort innocent humans? I bet you'd love firearms then.

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Oct 30, 2018 09:36:40   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Bad Boob Job wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-can-stop-this-american-carnage/2018/10/29/ee7cd672-dba8-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html?utm_term=.60c6b2d1294b

WE’RE UNDER fire, we’re under fire. He’s got an automatic weapon,” was the report Saturday morning from one of the first police officers to respond to the shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. Minutes later, another officer radioed, “We’re taking on AK-47 fire from out the front of the synagogue.” Before the gunman was captured, four police officers were wounded and 11 people had been shot to death.

Once again, a piece of America had been turned into a war zone. Once again, the casualties were innocent people engaged in the rhythms of everyday life — this time, mostly elderly people practicing their religion. Once again, the question must be asked of what it will take — how many more mass shootings, lost lives and devastated communities — before Congress enacts sensible gun control that includes banning weapons designed for war.

According to authorities, the accused murderer in Saturday’s shooting — a 46-year-old man who reportedly proclaimed he wanted “all Jews to die” — was armed with three handguns and an AR-15, all of which he legally owned. The AR-15 or a variation of it has been used in other terrible, tragic mass shootings: in February at a high school in Parkland, Fla. (17 dead and 17 injured); in 2017 at a Las Vegas music concert (58 dead, hundreds injured); in 2016 at a nightclub in Florida (49 dead, 53 injured); in 2012 at a movie theater in Colorado (12 dead, 58 injured) and in 2012 at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. (26 dead, two injured).

Assault-style weapons and large-capacity magazines are the weapon of choice of mass murderers precisely because of their capability to k**l the most people in the shortest time. Mass shootings account for a minority of gun fatalities, but the use of assault weapons greatly increases the rates of death and injury as well as the severity of injuries. As was vividly underscored by Saturday’s events, the risk they pose to law enforcement is great and should give lie to those who think the solution to gun violence is even more guns.

Polls consistently show that a majority of Americans support laws prohibiting assault weapons. Significant numbers of gun owners — 48 percent, according to a 2017 Pew Research Center poll — also support a ban on assault-style weapons. The previous national ban on assault weapons, enacted by Congress in 1994 but allowed to expire in 2004, showed a decrease in the use of assault weapons in crime. Gun policy experts asked by the New York Times to rate the effectiveness of policy changes to prevent mass shootings gave their highest ratings to a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

The slaughter of little children at Sandy Hook Elementary School should have been enough to persuade Congress to ban assault weapons and enact other common-sense measures. That it wasn’t is both tragedy and disgrace. The carnage that has followed — the Tree of Life shooting being the most recent — has unfortunately failed to stiffen the spines of national lawmakers. But v**ers next week will have the chance to send their own message. They should elect a Congress that will protect them by enacting long-overdue gun reform that includes getting weapons of war off America’s streets and out of its schools, theaters, churches and synagogues.
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Oct 30, 2018 09:43:35   #
Lonewolf
 
The thing most people never take into account when they discuss law is simply this criminals don't obey laws that is why we call them criminals!
A good man with a sword could of k**led as many or more! As for me i rather get shot!

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Oct 30, 2018 09:49:57   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Lonewolf wrote:
The thing most people never take into account when they discuss law is simply this criminals don't obey laws that is why we call them criminals!
A good man with a sword could of k**led as many or more! As for me i rather get shot!


By Golly you've got somethin' there Goober.

I think you just might be more level headed than some of our so called 'intelligent' OPP lefties.

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Oct 30, 2018 10:13:21   #
Oldschool 101
 
Sorry Linda,that would not work, esp with "blatherators" like Bad Bob who thrive on politicizing the events of the day.

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Oct 30, 2018 10:13:30   #
boofhead
 
byronglimish wrote:
You are the same person who holds murdering babies as a sacred right and you also say "F the second amendment" How about start using guns to abort innocent humans? I bet you'd love firearms then.


That is an accurate statement, thanks.

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Oct 30, 2018 10:34:41   #
Kevyn
 
American Vet wrote:
Exactly what is an "assault style weapon"?

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 defined certain firearms as assault weapons based on the features they possessed. This included semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine and at least two of these features: a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, a flash suppressor or threaded barrel, a bayonet mount, or a muzzle-mounted grenade launcher. It included semi-automatic pistols with a detachable magazine and at least two of these features: a magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip, a threaded barrel, a barrel shroud, or an unloaded weight of 50 ounces or more. Additionally defined as assault weapons were semi-automatic shotguns with a rotating cylinder, or with at least two of these features: a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, a detachable magazine, or a fixed magazine that can hold more than five rounds.

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Oct 30, 2018 10:41:15   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 defined certain firearms as assault weapons based on the features they possessed. This included semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine and at least two of these features: a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, a flash suppressor or threaded barrel, a bayonet mount, or a muzzle-mounted grenade launcher. It included semi-automatic pistols with a detachable magazine and at least two of these features: a magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip, a threaded barrel, a barrel shroud, or an unloaded weight of 50 ounces or more. Additionally defined as assault weapons were semi-automatic shotguns with a rotating cylinder, or with at least two of these features: a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, a detachable magazine, or a fixed magazine that can hold more than five rounds.
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In other words, the scary looking ones.

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Oct 30, 2018 10:42:15   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 defined certain firearms as assault weapons based on the features they possessed. This included semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine and at least two of these features: a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, a flash suppressor or threaded barrel, a bayonet mount, or a muzzle-mounted grenade launcher. It included semi-automatic pistols with a detachable magazine and at least two of these features: a magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip, a threaded barrel, a barrel shroud, or an unloaded weight of 50 ounces or more. Additionally defined as assault weapons were semi-automatic shotguns with a rotating cylinder, or with at least two of these features: a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, a detachable magazine, or a fixed magazine that can hold more than five rounds.
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Oct 30, 2018 11:04:09   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 



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