Do You Think The White House Will Obstruct E******n Results If The GOP Loses The House Or Senate?
Oct 25, 2018 15:53:27 #
The GOP wanted nothing to do with recounts and challenges to key races in 2016, yet Trump had actually made it very clear that he was set to challenge e******n results as hard as possible if he lost, and considering the house and senate were controlled by the GOP any number of ridiculous premises could have been run. In fact they could have initiated impeachment processes from day one, which they also made clear they were set to do.
I don't put anything past this administration. The GOP would have the ability to call for any kind of investigation they can cook up, and say that until things are settled it was an ill********e e******n. Legal challenges could be put before the supreme court just like they were with Gore and they could decide key races.
I'm of the opinion that with this current GOP winning the e******n as far as the balance of the house is the first hurdle, with more to come. I also think even some republicans would admit that there are red states that have a hard to break control of the whole e******n process including counts that they will refuse to allow recounts.
I don't put anything past this administration. The GOP would have the ability to call for any kind of investigation they can cook up, and say that until things are settled it was an ill********e e******n. Legal challenges could be put before the supreme court just like they were with Gore and they could decide key races.
I'm of the opinion that with this current GOP winning the e******n as far as the balance of the house is the first hurdle, with more to come. I also think even some republicans would admit that there are red states that have a hard to break control of the whole e******n process including counts that they will refuse to allow recounts.
Oct 25, 2018 16:41:00 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
Seems a good place to insert this...
THE MISLEADING MYTH OF V***R F***D IN AMERICAN E******NS
by Lorraine C. Minnite, Rutgers University-Camden
Are fraudulent v**ers undermining U.S. e******ns? The simple answer is no. Rather, the threat comes from the myth of v***r f***d used to justify rules that restrict full and equal v****g rights.
A concerted partisan campaign to erect more restrictive v****g rules is apace in many states, with Republicans pushing new limits on access and Democrats objecting. Thousands of changes to state e******n codes have been proposed since the contested p**********l e******n of 2000. Far fewer have been signed into law, but those put in place – such as rules that people have a certain kind of photo identification card available from specific government offices – are making it more difficult for many citizens to cast b****ts, including longtime v**ers as well as new ones. In a democracy, reducing access to the b****t is difficult to justify. Political motives and strategies to discourage v****g by particular groups such as racial minorities cannot be openly announced. That’s where the myth of criminal v**ers comes in – as proponents of new rules cite the supposed threat of v**es fraudulently cast by foreigners, noncitizens, immigrants, felons, and imposters who supposedly travel around to v**e in many precincts. Mythical threats that stoke social prejudices are used to make new restrictions seem reasonable.
The earliest reliable studies of e******n f***d in the 1920s and 1930s found that individual v**ers almost never committed fraud on their own. Conspiracies by politicians or e******n officials were behind most violations. V***r r**********n laws were put in place to reduce such organized fraud.
Today, social scientific research on fraud is difficult because there are no officially compiled national or state statistics. Researchers must painstakingly piece together evidence from news reports, court proceedings, law enforcement agencies, e******n officials, and interviews with
experts and other sources. After ten years of such research, I found that intentional fraud by individual v**ers is exceedingly rare. Other investigations have reached the same conclusion. Replicating my methodology, 24 journalism students at twelve universities reviewed some 2,000 public records and identified just six cases of v**er impersonation between 2000 and 2012.
Under Republican President George W. Bush, the U.S. Justice Department searched for v***r f***d. But in the first three years of the program, just 26 people were convicted or pled guilty to illegal registration or v****g. Out of 197,056,035 v**es cast in the two federal e******ns held during that period, the rate of v***r f***d was a miniscule 0.00000132%!
Also: Lorraine C. Minnite, The Myth of V***r F***d (Cornell University Press, 2010). www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org
No state considering or passing restrictive v**er identification laws has documented an actual problem with v***r f***d. In litigation over the new v**er identification laws in Wisconsin, Indiana, Georgia and Pennsylvania, e******n officials testified they have never seen cases of v**er impersonation at the polls. Indiana and Pennsylvania stipulated in court that they had experienced zero instances of v***r f***d. When federal authorities challenged v**er identification laws in South Carolina and Texas, neither state provided any evidence of v**er impersonation or any other type of fraud that could be deterred by requiring v**ers to present photo identification at the polls. When v***r f***d accusations are tracked down to their specifics, irregularities almost always turn out to be simple mistakes by e******n officials or v**ers.
In the contested 2004 Washington state gubernatorial e******n, a Superior Court judge ruled invalid just 25 b****ts, constituting 0.0009 percent of the 2,812,675 cast. Many were absentee b****ts mailed as double v**es or in the names of deceased people, but the judge did not find all were fraudulently cast. When King County prosecutors charged seven defendants, the lawyer for one 83-year old woman said his client “simply did not know what to do with the absentee b****t after her husband of 63 years, Earl, passed away” just before the e******n, so she signed his name and mailed the b****t. A leaked report from the Milwaukee Police Department found that data entry errors, typographical errors, procedural missteps, misapplication of the rules, and the like accounted for almost all reported problems during the 2004 p**********l e******n. When the South Carolina State E******n Commission investigated a list of 207 allegedly fraudulent v**es in the 2010 e******n, it found simple human errors in 95 percent of the cases the state’s highest law enforcement official had reported as fraud. A study by the Northeast Ohio Media Group of 625 reported v****g irregularities in Ohio during the 2012 e******n found that nearly all cases forwarded to county prosecutors were caused by v**er confusion or errors by poll workers.
V**ers acting on their own have no rational cause to v**e f***dulently. The odds of casting a deciding v**e are miniscule and c***ters risk criminal prosecution under state laws on the books for decades. The costs of fraudulent v****g are steep and the benefits practically non-existent. Spurious, politically-motivated allegations of v***r f***d are a distraction from the real problems in U.S. e******ns. Overly complicated rules need to be simplified and e******n administration professionalized. Nonpartisan officials and poll workers must be well-trained and supported in their efforts to help people cast b****ts that are accurately counted. In every major e******n, millions of eligible Americans do not participate, in large part because of unnecessary hurdles to registration and v****g. The United States needs a reinvigorated movement to expand v****g rights and access. To build confidence in our democracy, we should look for ways to fix actual e******n problems – and recognize that individual v***r f***d is not one of them.
THE MISLEADING MYTH OF V***R F***D IN AMERICAN E******NS
by Lorraine C. Minnite, Rutgers University-Camden
Are fraudulent v**ers undermining U.S. e******ns? The simple answer is no. Rather, the threat comes from the myth of v***r f***d used to justify rules that restrict full and equal v****g rights.
A concerted partisan campaign to erect more restrictive v****g rules is apace in many states, with Republicans pushing new limits on access and Democrats objecting. Thousands of changes to state e******n codes have been proposed since the contested p**********l e******n of 2000. Far fewer have been signed into law, but those put in place – such as rules that people have a certain kind of photo identification card available from specific government offices – are making it more difficult for many citizens to cast b****ts, including longtime v**ers as well as new ones. In a democracy, reducing access to the b****t is difficult to justify. Political motives and strategies to discourage v****g by particular groups such as racial minorities cannot be openly announced. That’s where the myth of criminal v**ers comes in – as proponents of new rules cite the supposed threat of v**es fraudulently cast by foreigners, noncitizens, immigrants, felons, and imposters who supposedly travel around to v**e in many precincts. Mythical threats that stoke social prejudices are used to make new restrictions seem reasonable.
The earliest reliable studies of e******n f***d in the 1920s and 1930s found that individual v**ers almost never committed fraud on their own. Conspiracies by politicians or e******n officials were behind most violations. V***r r**********n laws were put in place to reduce such organized fraud.
Today, social scientific research on fraud is difficult because there are no officially compiled national or state statistics. Researchers must painstakingly piece together evidence from news reports, court proceedings, law enforcement agencies, e******n officials, and interviews with
experts and other sources. After ten years of such research, I found that intentional fraud by individual v**ers is exceedingly rare. Other investigations have reached the same conclusion. Replicating my methodology, 24 journalism students at twelve universities reviewed some 2,000 public records and identified just six cases of v**er impersonation between 2000 and 2012.
Under Republican President George W. Bush, the U.S. Justice Department searched for v***r f***d. But in the first three years of the program, just 26 people were convicted or pled guilty to illegal registration or v****g. Out of 197,056,035 v**es cast in the two federal e******ns held during that period, the rate of v***r f***d was a miniscule 0.00000132%!
Also: Lorraine C. Minnite, The Myth of V***r F***d (Cornell University Press, 2010). www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org
No state considering or passing restrictive v**er identification laws has documented an actual problem with v***r f***d. In litigation over the new v**er identification laws in Wisconsin, Indiana, Georgia and Pennsylvania, e******n officials testified they have never seen cases of v**er impersonation at the polls. Indiana and Pennsylvania stipulated in court that they had experienced zero instances of v***r f***d. When federal authorities challenged v**er identification laws in South Carolina and Texas, neither state provided any evidence of v**er impersonation or any other type of fraud that could be deterred by requiring v**ers to present photo identification at the polls. When v***r f***d accusations are tracked down to their specifics, irregularities almost always turn out to be simple mistakes by e******n officials or v**ers.
In the contested 2004 Washington state gubernatorial e******n, a Superior Court judge ruled invalid just 25 b****ts, constituting 0.0009 percent of the 2,812,675 cast. Many were absentee b****ts mailed as double v**es or in the names of deceased people, but the judge did not find all were fraudulently cast. When King County prosecutors charged seven defendants, the lawyer for one 83-year old woman said his client “simply did not know what to do with the absentee b****t after her husband of 63 years, Earl, passed away” just before the e******n, so she signed his name and mailed the b****t. A leaked report from the Milwaukee Police Department found that data entry errors, typographical errors, procedural missteps, misapplication of the rules, and the like accounted for almost all reported problems during the 2004 p**********l e******n. When the South Carolina State E******n Commission investigated a list of 207 allegedly fraudulent v**es in the 2010 e******n, it found simple human errors in 95 percent of the cases the state’s highest law enforcement official had reported as fraud. A study by the Northeast Ohio Media Group of 625 reported v****g irregularities in Ohio during the 2012 e******n found that nearly all cases forwarded to county prosecutors were caused by v**er confusion or errors by poll workers.
V**ers acting on their own have no rational cause to v**e f***dulently. The odds of casting a deciding v**e are miniscule and c***ters risk criminal prosecution under state laws on the books for decades. The costs of fraudulent v****g are steep and the benefits practically non-existent. Spurious, politically-motivated allegations of v***r f***d are a distraction from the real problems in U.S. e******ns. Overly complicated rules need to be simplified and e******n administration professionalized. Nonpartisan officials and poll workers must be well-trained and supported in their efforts to help people cast b****ts that are accurately counted. In every major e******n, millions of eligible Americans do not participate, in large part because of unnecessary hurdles to registration and v****g. The United States needs a reinvigorated movement to expand v****g rights and access. To build confidence in our democracy, we should look for ways to fix actual e******n problems – and recognize that individual v***r f***d is not one of them.
Oct 25, 2018 16:56:36 #
Coos Bay Tom
Loc: coos bay oregon
Every State should be like Oregon. You are automatically registered to v**e the day you turn 18. You complete the process by deciding your party affiliation. Your b****t is mailed to you a few weeks ahead of time and you mail it back in to your county e******ns office or drop it off at a library or police station.. You v**e or you don't. It can't be messed with like a computer b****t can and it is verified by your signature.. No fraud here. Nobody is screwed out of their right to v**e. As far as Trump trying to challenge everything you can count on it. He is petty and diseased with power.
Oct 25, 2018 17:06:53 #
maybe we need to do away with the parties all together let each man come forward in an e******n and tell us what he stands for not what he thinks we want to here!
We need to dry up the dark money in e******ns
We need to dry up the dark money in e******ns
Oct 26, 2018 01:59:23 #
Coos Bay Tom
Loc: coos bay oregon
Lonewolf wrote:
right onmaybe we need to do away with the parties all together let each man come forward in an e******n and tell us what he stands for not what he thinks we want to here!
We need to dry up the dark money in e******ns
We need to dry up the dark money in e******ns
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