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If God created or allowed human hermophodites, what is the problem with G****r variance?
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Oct 17, 2018 09:12:53   #
PeterS
 
Texas T***h wrote:
C********e damage

Doesn't god control all that? You certainly aren't suggesting that there are area's of life that is beyond the control of god? My, my...

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Oct 17, 2018 09:32:40   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
How so? Did god create a hermaphrodite yes or no? It's not a hard question...why don't you prove yourself smarter than a rock and try to answer it...


So, you're comparing g****r confusion with hermaphrodites. Ok, first of all, hermaphrodites are the result of mistakes in the segregation of c********es and genes during the formation of gametes; sperm and eggs. These are mistakes. From wiki-

"Encountered karyotypes include 47XXY, 46XX/46XY, or 46XX/47XXY or XX & XY with SRY Mutations, Mixed Chromosomal a******lities or hormone deficiency/excess disorders, and various degrees of mosaicism of these and a variety of others. The 3 Primary Karyotypes for True Hermaphroditism are XX with genetic defects (55-70% of cases), XX/XY (20-30% of cases) & XY (5-15% of cases) with the remainder being a variety of other Chromosomal a******lities and Mosaicisms. "

Additionally, the reproductive tissues are non-functional most of the time, and never both tissues are functional.

Bottom line, the same types of mechanisms responsible for a disease like cancer and birth defects is at work here; ie - not normal.

T*********rism occurs when one's g****r identity does not conform to their actual sex. T*********r people experience g****r dysphoria, which is treatable but since people have a choice, many are never treated and continue the rest of their lives living as a g****r fro which they are not genetically predisposed.

Your analogy to alcoholism is interesting and acceptable however, I doubt anyone would claim that tendencies towards drug abuse or alcoholism are normal or good, just as they would not consider cancer to be normal as well.

I agree that homosexuals and t*********rs should not be maligned by society, but to say society must accept these conditions as normal AND acceptable, goes a bit too far and is contrary to what we know from a scientific perspective.

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Oct 17, 2018 09:58:17   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
PeterS wrote:
Doesn't god control all that? You certainly aren't suggesting that there are area's of life that is beyond the control of god? My, my...


Sometimes life is not fair. In fact I think it's most of the time.

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Oct 17, 2018 10:00:59   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
rumitoid wrote:
Any question about great diversity in G****r is positively ignorant or entranced in archaic beliefs. Well, stupid, really. The facts are overwhelming. One needs to be exceedingly moronic or purposely blind for wh**ever reason. There is a known spectrum for all human characteristics. How does G****r escape it? Silly! Many or even most propensities are inborn, like the tendency to alcoholism. A tendency that is very strong, under the right circumstances, but always there. We know this now, and more and more evidence of what a newborn has to deal with is getting clearer by the day. Science. Not tribal culture. Wake up!
Any question about great diversity in G****r is po... (show quote)


Nothing, keep it to yourself, don't infringe on my rights and have a good life.. To each his own has Relevance lots of relevance....

Your choice, not mine don’t make me have to choose a position.... Thats all...



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Oct 17, 2018 11:41:25   #
Lonewolf
 
lindajoy wrote:
Nothing, keep it to yourself, don't infringe on my rights and have a good life.. To each his own has Relevance lots of relevance....

Your choice, not mine don’t make me have to choose a position.... Thats all...



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Oct 17, 2018 11:54:22   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
So, you're comparing g****r confusion with hermaphrodites. Ok, first of all, hermaphrodites are the result of mistakes in the segregation of c********es and genes during the formation of gametes; sperm and eggs. These are mistakes. From wiki-

"Encountered karyotypes include 47XXY, 46XX/46XY, or 46XX/47XXY or XX & XY with SRY Mutations, Mixed Chromosomal a******lities or hormone deficiency/excess disorders, and various degrees of mosaicism of these and a variety of others. The 3 Primary Karyotypes for True Hermaphroditism are XX with genetic defects (55-70% of cases), XX/XY (20-30% of cases) & XY (5-15% of cases) with the remainder being a variety of other Chromosomal a******lities and Mosaicisms. "

Additionally, the reproductive tissues are non-functional most of the time, and never both tissues are functional.

Bottom line, the same types of mechanisms responsible for a disease like cancer and birth defects is at work here; ie - not normal.

T*********rism occurs when one's g****r identity does not conform to their actual sex. T*********r people experience g****r dysphoria, which is treatable but since people have a choice, many are never treated and continue the rest of their lives living as a g****r fro which they are not genetically predisposed.

Your analogy to alcoholism is interesting and acceptable however, I doubt anyone would claim that tendencies towards drug abuse or alcoholism are normal or good, just as they would not consider cancer to be normal as well.

I agree that homosexuals and t*********rs should not be maligned by society, but to say society must accept these conditions as normal AND acceptable, goes a bit too far and is contrary to what we know from a scientific perspective.
So, you're comparing g****r confusion with hermaph... (show quote)


If you are a homosexual or t*********r then you are normal. The constitution isn't predicated on what is or isn't "normal" to society but the rights of each individual irrespective of what society thinks. You can't equate homosexuality with alcoholism. Alcoholics destroy themselves and those around them but homosexuals, good or bad, only effect themselves. That conservatives can't accept homosexuality is a matter unto themselves and shouldn't be reflected on homosexuals. Mostly I see this as a matter of Conservative Christian hypocrisy where homosexuality is against their belief system but other individuals equally emersed in sin they have no problem associating with--a prime example is Donald J Trump.

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Oct 17, 2018 12:38:18   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
If you are a homosexual or t*********r then you are normal. The constitution isn't predicated on what is or isn't "normal" to society but the rights of each individual irrespective of what society thinks. You can't equate homosexuality with alcoholism. Alcoholics destroy themselves and those around them but homosexuals, good or bad, only effect themselves. That conservatives can't accept homosexuality is a matter unto themselves and shouldn't be reflected on homosexuals. Mostly I see this as a matter of Conservative Christian hypocrisy where homosexuality is against their belief system but other individuals equally emersed in sin they have no problem associating with--a prime example is Donald J Trump.
If you are a homosexual or t*********r then you ar... (show quote)


There is nothing in my statement which speaks to conservative Christianity. I simply gave your friend a scientific viewpoint.

The theory that homosexuals are genetically predisposed is becoming as thin as the argument for man caused g****l w*****g, despite what the majority "consensus" might be at this time. Things change. Many, many MD's still think that elevated cholesterol is a cause of heart disease and not a result of it. At least we know that elevated concentrations of firemen don't cause fires and the elevation in firemen concentrations is actually the result of the fires!

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Oct 17, 2018 12:40:47   #
gaconservative74
 
PeterS wrote:
Alcoholism destroys the individual and the family. Homosexuality does not. You are guilty of a false equivalency. Not surprising given you are a conservative...


I am not the one who used the false equivalency mr liberal, you parter rumi is. I just expounded upon his example. That said, the idea that homosexuality doesn’t destroy the family and individual could possibly be debated.

You know Pete I used to think you were fairly intelligent and that we just had different views but you have revealed that you are a typical liberal and will scream like a baby about anything a conservative says regardless of content.

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Oct 17, 2018 12:47:48   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
How so? Did god create a hermaphrodite yes or no? It's not a hard question...why don't you prove yourself smarter than a rock and try to answer it...

No, God did not create a hermaphrodite.

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Oct 17, 2018 12:57:18   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
No, God did not create a hermaphrodite.


Who did? Satan?

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Oct 17, 2018 13:03:51   #
gaconservative74
 
PeterS wrote:
If you are a homosexual or t*********r then you are normal. The constitution isn't predicated on what is or isn't "normal" to society but the rights of each individual irrespective of what society thinks. You can't equate homosexuality with alcoholism. Alcoholics destroy themselves and those around them but homosexuals, good or bad, only effect themselves. That conservatives can't accept homosexuality is a matter unto themselves and shouldn't be reflected on homosexuals. Mostly I see this as a matter of Conservative Christian hypocrisy where homosexuality is against their belief system but other individuals equally emersed in sin they have no problem associating with--a prime example is Donald J Trump.
If you are a homosexual or t*********r then you ar... (show quote)


See Pete, this is what I’m talking about, you just h**e Christianity and will be abusive to anyone claiming the title of Christian. Just because someone v**ed for trump doesn’t mean they agree with his lifestyle decisions or his morals. As a matter of fact, many don’t, but he was a better choice than y’all could come up with in Hillary............. and yes I am still glad that she didn’t win and will v**e against her if she runs in 2020.

I think that homosexuality is wrong and claiming that it is a genetical predisposition puts it in the same category as alcoholism so it is not a false equivalency, but in all reality, trying to group them with hermaphrodites, less than .05% of the population, is very typical of a liberal to try to prop up their argument. You have done that here with saying Christians are hypocrites because they say homosexuality is wrong. You say Christianity is wrong and are overly vocal in your belief, there is no difference. You are basing your hatred on what a bad minority do. I dont h**e gay people but I do think they are wrong............... which should be my prerogative!!!!!!!!

Now As far as God being in control or not, why do you say stupid things like that???? You believe there is no God so just leave it alone. You first dont wanna own what you believe (nihilism) and second you really don’t wanna have a dignified discussion about what a Christian believes about Gods omnipotence and the idea of free will, all you have ever want to do is insult people and claim it is because they deserve it because the are conservative. Perfect example of liberal tactics.

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Oct 17, 2018 13:06:00   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
If you are a homosexual or t*********r then you are normal. The constitution isn't predicated on what is or isn't "normal" to society but the rights of each individual irrespective of what society thinks. You can't equate homosexuality with alcoholism. Alcoholics destroy themselves and those around them but homosexuals, good or bad, only effect themselves. That conservatives can't accept homosexuality is a matter unto themselves and shouldn't be reflected on homosexuals. Mostly I see this as a matter of Conservative Christian hypocrisy where homosexuality is against their belief system but other individuals equally emersed in sin they have no problem associating with--a prime example is Donald J Trump.
If you are a homosexual or t*********r then you ar... (show quote)

If I were you, I would delete this post. I'd be embarrassed if I wrote something so poorly reasoned as this.

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Oct 17, 2018 16:49:05   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
Whoever started this post must have some sort of Interest or fantasizes an awful lot about the subject material. Maybe this person needs to go have fun with themselves.

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Oct 17, 2018 22:19:45   #
rumitoid
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
So, you're comparing g****r confusion with hermaphrodites. Ok, first of all, hermaphrodites are the result of mistakes in the segregation of c********es and genes during the formation of gametes; sperm and eggs. These are mistakes. From wiki-

"Encountered karyotypes include 47XXY, 46XX/46XY, or 46XX/47XXY or XX & XY with SRY Mutations, Mixed Chromosomal a******lities or hormone deficiency/excess disorders, and various degrees of mosaicism of these and a variety of others. The 3 Primary Karyotypes for True Hermaphroditism are XX with genetic defects (55-70% of cases), XX/XY (20-30% of cases) & XY (5-15% of cases) with the remainder being a variety of other Chromosomal a******lities and Mosaicisms. "

Additionally, the reproductive tissues are non-functional most of the time, and never both tissues are functional.

Bottom line, the same types of mechanisms responsible for a disease like cancer and birth defects is at work here; ie - not normal.

T*********rism occurs when one's g****r identity does not conform to their actual sex. T*********r people experience g****r dysphoria, which is treatable but since people have a choice, many are never treated and continue the rest of their lives living as a g****r fro which they are not genetically predisposed.

Your analogy to alcoholism is interesting and acceptable however, I doubt anyone would claim that tendencies towards drug abuse or alcoholism are normal or good, just as they would not consider cancer to be normal as well.

I agree that homosexuals and t*********rs should not be maligned by society, but to say society must accept these conditions as normal AND acceptable, goes a bit too far and is contrary to what we know from a scientific perspective.
So, you're comparing g****r confusion with hermaph... (show quote)


The point was made that there is no g****r variation. Hermaphrodites proves there is. Why not accept who they are?

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Oct 17, 2018 22:44:07   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
The point was made that there is no g****r variation. Hermaphrodites proves there is. Why not accept who they are?


I have no problem with that. What I do not accept is a fully genetic and penis wielding male saying he's a girl. I say THAT is mental illness.

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