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Oct 16, 2018 11:24:50   #
PJT
 
Polls. There are pollsters who manipulate to achieve their desired results. This statement includes part y pollsters and even more media polls. That's how 2016 pols were do wrong.
Oh remember 2000 when networks called Florida for Gore BEFORE ALL POLLING PACES CLOSED!

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Oct 16, 2018 11:43:16   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
PJT wrote:
Polls. There are pollsters who manipulate to achieve their desired results. This statement includes part y pollsters and even more media polls. That's how 2016 pols were do wrong.
Oh remember 2000 when networks called Florida for Gore BEFORE ALL POLLING PACES CLOSED!


how Polls go depends on what questions are asked and HOW that are asked !

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Oct 16, 2018 13:28:11   #
PJT
 
And how sample chosen and if results aren't twisted for personal motives

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Oct 16, 2018 13:55:32   #
Carol Kelly
 
slatten49 wrote:
How can we get more black people and people of color to become republican in America? What stops people from wanting to side with the party's politics in the first place?

An opinion from blogger Adam Roach...

I am a white, Christian, middle aged, male, small business owner. I am the Republican Party.

They have a hard time getting me to v**e for them. It’s specifically because of the domestic policy. While I benefited from the recent tax bill, my employees didn’t. Most of them are white too.

So if they have a hard time getting me to v**e continuously for them, how are they going to get the not me?

The issue is that the Republican Party has become a party of social exclusionism. There is little difference between the duopoly on monetary policy, trade policy, fiscal discipline, subsidies, budgetary concerns etc. The only substantive differences are in regulatory policy, science funding and tax policy.

Its all about social conservatism today. I’m a fiscally conservative v**er but I don’t really care about gay marriage, or t*********r issues or kneeling during the anthem. In fact the amount of vitriol the GOP loads into these things actually makes me sympathetic to the other side because whenever I see someone pushing this level of exclusionism I recognize that the underlying prejudice is inherently Un-American.

There it is, Un-American.

How are the minorities supposed to choose the GOP when everything those minorities say or care about is dismissed as whining or laziness?

Too many extrajudicial k*****gs of black men by cops?.....Stop wearing hoodies.

The water system in my town is full of lead?.....Move you slacker.

I work two jobs and can’t pay the bills?.....Tough, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Get a third job.

Healthcare is too expensive!....Don’t buy an iPhone.

The iPhone comment came from a guy who said that his congressional salary of $174k wasn’t enough for him to afford his home in Utah and a place in Washington DC. A guy who hasn’t actually paid for healthcare in more than a decade.

I have watched republicans take a position that is pro-life for fetuses but wave off mass school shootings as part of “the price of freedom”. They can defend that fetus but then fight any program that would feed it, shelter it, give it healthcare.

I’ve watched them use the free speech argument to defend all manner of bad behaviour but then call down a guy for quietly taking a knee as an affront to America.

They want school choice but only as a direct way to further defund public schools.

They promised for a decade to give us better healthcare but at the cost of 10% of the population not having any at all, and what was left over wasn’t much better.

They accuse the other side of fiscal irresponsibility but then spend even more when they have control.

Yet the core problem that is germane to this question is the r****m.

Not all republicans are r****ts but if you are politically active and a r****t, you will be a republican.

Jack Kemp, Bob Dole, Colin Powell are gone. They’ve been replaced by weaker, c*********d men who lack moral vision.

I have known four local GOP chairmen scattered across the South, they were all r****ts and bad at hiding it. That’s local politics. In places with actual black v**ers that were Christian, conservative, hard working and largely gun owners. Lost opportunities.

The GOP as it exists today has become a party of meanness. They have no forward vision and they exist only to cache money for the wealthiest citizens. They have pioneered a new society of debt s***es and they’ve done it for a new society of masters.

B****s and Latinos are pretty good at sniffing out a r****t. It’s a necessary survival sk**l for a minority population that exists lower down the social ladder. Why would they v**e for people that they know will not listen to them? People that think they are less valuable to society? People who think they are superior by virtue of birth alone?

They shouldn’t and they don’t.

The democrats have faced this too but not because of r****m it’s just basic indifference and general malaise.

The GOP has become a pool of single issue v**ers but those issues are not really relevant to them.

School choice is meaningless for people without the means to afford even a subsidized private education.

A******n isn’t really an issue in black/brown America because their large, tight knit families provide the necessary support mechanisms that alleviate many of the socioeconomic pressures associated with the practice leaving only health related concerns as a primary driver.

Guns rights are so far down the list of concerns that they barely register for minority v**ers.

Tax cuts are always popular but eliminating capital gains is only popular with people who have them, that’s not the plurality of the population. Top end cuts don’t matter to poor people, heck low end cuts don’t matter that much when you are in the bottom 35%.

The gay wedding cake debacle is utterly meaningless to minorities, they know what it’s like to be discriminated against and should they have have the luxury of turning down paying business they would at least be civil about it.

New aircraft carriers are cool but Americans who can’t afford whole family healthcare aren’t going to v**e on that.

Then there is the Obama problem.

The GOP was utterly disrespectful to the first black president. They did that for 8 years and they did it in ways that came off as utterly r****t. That little bit of thinly veiled theater will cost them v**es for a generation. When we elect the first Latino it will be much the same and considering the last two weeks the first woman will likely find a similar reception, even if she’s a republican.

Misogyny has a price. The GOP knows this and that’s why their real crime is to disenfranchise as many actual potential v**ers as possible. Roster purges, gerrymandering (by both sides), a criminal justice system that seems almost designed to adversely impact minority communities, permanently yanking v****g access.

This Republican Party as it exists today isn’t even trying to get minority v**es. It’s going out of its way to prevent minority v****g. The minorities are catching on too. If they actually start v****g the GOP as it is currently constituted might just go extinct.

The problem is that the other option is seldom vastly better. The democrats have essentially adopted the moderate republican economic policy, which I’m personally fine with. That’s the problem though, there isn’t really a ton of difference on the one thing people reliably v**e on, their checkbooks.

It looks like with Kavanaugh they might have stepped on a landmine though. Women aren’t a minority, they are half the population. The tackiness that has insinuated itself into the body politic is not helping here and that’ll hurt more than the minority v**e in general because it’s minority women who take v****g more seriously in my experience and women talk to each other.

To answer the question after this long rant:

To attract minorities the GOP needs to fundamentally change its character. Not necessarily its core philosophy but its character. That’s going to be hard with its current members.
How can we get more black people and people of col... (show quote)


Exclusion is be damned. That’s a lot of rhetoric while the Democrats want to INCLUDE
every foreign illegal and radical in their v****g group. Who exactly can you prove is excluded by the Republicans? My father was a worker and a Democrat until the late 1940s and he saw his party leave him and became a dev**ed Republican for the remainder of his life. I am a lifelong Republican and I’m a housewife and homemaker and mother, grandmother and great grandmother. I’ve never felt EXCLUDED by my party of choice. I’m very angry at the ridiculousness of politics today. Hillary says we need to do something about one person one v**e. Is that your brave inclusiveness?

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Oct 16, 2018 13:57:30   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
How can we get more black people and people of color to become republican in America? What stops people from wanting to side with the party's politics in the first place?

An opinion from blogger Adam Roach...

I am a white, Christian, middle aged, male, small business owner. I am the Republican Party.

They have a hard time getting me to v**e for them. It’s specifically because of the domestic policy. While I benefited from the recent tax bill, my employees didn’t. Most of them are white too.

So if they have a hard time getting me to v**e continuously for them, how are they going to get the not me?

The issue is that the Republican Party has become a party of social exclusionism. There is little difference between the duopoly on monetary policy, trade policy, fiscal discipline, subsidies, budgetary concerns etc. The only substantive differences are in regulatory policy, science funding and tax policy.

Its all about social conservatism today. I’m a fiscally conservative v**er but I don’t really care about gay marriage, or t*********r issues or kneeling during the anthem. In fact the amount of vitriol the GOP loads into these things actually makes me sympathetic to the other side because whenever I see someone pushing this level of exclusionism I recognize that the underlying prejudice is inherently Un-American.

There it is, Un-American.

How are the minorities supposed to choose the GOP when everything those minorities say or care about is dismissed as whining or laziness?

Too many extrajudicial k*****gs of black men by cops?.....Stop wearing hoodies.

The water system in my town is full of lead?.....Move you slacker.

I work two jobs and can’t pay the bills?.....Tough, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Get a third job.

Healthcare is too expensive!....Don’t buy an iPhone.

The iPhone comment came from a guy who said that his congressional salary of $174k wasn’t enough for him to afford his home in Utah and a place in Washington DC. A guy who hasn’t actually paid for healthcare in more than a decade.

I have watched republicans take a position that is pro-life for fetuses but wave off mass school shootings as part of “the price of freedom”. They can defend that fetus but then fight any program that would feed it, shelter it, give it healthcare.

I’ve watched them use the free speech argument to defend all manner of bad behaviour but then call down a guy for quietly taking a knee as an affront to America.

They want school choice but only as a direct way to further defund public schools.

They promised for a decade to give us better healthcare but at the cost of 10% of the population not having any at all, and what was left over wasn’t much better.

They accuse the other side of fiscal irresponsibility but then spend even more when they have control.

Yet the core problem that is germane to this question is the r****m.

Not all republicans are r****ts but if you are politically active and a r****t, you will be a republican.

Jack Kemp, Bob Dole, Colin Powell are gone. They’ve been replaced by weaker, c*********d men who lack moral vision.

I have known four local GOP chairmen scattered across the South, they were all r****ts and bad at hiding it. That’s local politics. In places with actual black v**ers that were Christian, conservative, hard working and largely gun owners. Lost opportunities.

The GOP as it exists today has become a party of meanness. They have no forward vision and they exist only to cache money for the wealthiest citizens. They have pioneered a new society of debt s***es and they’ve done it for a new society of masters.

B****s and Latinos are pretty good at sniffing out a r****t. It’s a necessary survival sk**l for a minority population that exists lower down the social ladder. Why would they v**e for people that they know will not listen to them? People that think they are less valuable to society? People who think they are superior by virtue of birth alone?

They shouldn’t and they don’t.

The democrats have faced this too but not because of r****m it’s just basic indifference and general malaise.

The GOP has become a pool of single issue v**ers but those issues are not really relevant to them.

School choice is meaningless for people without the means to afford even a subsidized private education.

A******n isn’t really an issue in black/brown America because their large, tight knit families provide the necessary support mechanisms that alleviate many of the socioeconomic pressures associated with the practice leaving only health related concerns as a primary driver.

Guns rights are so far down the list of concerns that they barely register for minority v**ers.

Tax cuts are always popular but eliminating capital gains is only popular with people who have them, that’s not the plurality of the population. Top end cuts don’t matter to poor people, heck low end cuts don’t matter that much when you are in the bottom 35%.

The gay wedding cake debacle is utterly meaningless to minorities, they know what it’s like to be discriminated against and should they have have the luxury of turning down paying business they would at least be civil about it.

New aircraft carriers are cool but Americans who can’t afford whole family healthcare aren’t going to v**e on that.

Then there is the Obama problem.

The GOP was utterly disrespectful to the first black president. They did that for 8 years and they did it in ways that came off as utterly r****t. That little bit of thinly veiled theater will cost them v**es for a generation. When we elect the first Latino it will be much the same and considering the last two weeks the first woman will likely find a similar reception, even if she’s a republican.

Misogyny has a price. The GOP knows this and that’s why their real crime is to disenfranchise as many actual potential v**ers as possible. Roster purges, gerrymandering (by both sides), a criminal justice system that seems almost designed to adversely impact minority communities, permanently yanking v****g access.

This Republican Party as it exists today isn’t even trying to get minority v**es. It’s going out of its way to prevent minority v****g. The minorities are catching on too. If they actually start v****g the GOP as it is currently constituted might just go extinct.

The problem is that the other option is seldom vastly better. The democrats have essentially adopted the moderate republican economic policy, which I’m personally fine with. That’s the problem though, there isn’t really a ton of difference on the one thing people reliably v**e on, their checkbooks.

It looks like with Kavanaugh they might have stepped on a landmine though. Women aren’t a minority, they are half the population. The tackiness that has insinuated itself into the body politic is not helping here and that’ll hurt more than the minority v**e in general because it’s minority women who take v****g more seriously in my experience and women talk to each other.

To answer the question after this long rant:

To attract minorities the GOP needs to fundamentally change its character. Not necessarily its core philosophy but its character. That’s going to be hard with its current members.
How can we get more black people and people of col... (show quote)


Lolololololololhahahahahaha obviously written by a democrat. The Republican party is picking up minorities like crazy. Up 20 points from last year on black support. The #walkaway movement was started by a gay man. Silly wabbit

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Oct 16, 2018 15:09:15   #
maureenthannon
 
I suppose ou agree with the Demorats that the way to help minorities is to keep them on the publi doe. How an anyone not be offended by that BS? Republicans realize that minorities, just like every one else wnt to be able to wok nd support themselves and their families. Since Trump's been in office unemployment rates are the lowest they have ever been for African Americans and Hispanis. When Obama was President, All people, minorities and w****s, were hurt financially. The big multi-million dollar corporations that were "Too big to fail" received government handouts, but the common people were supposed to cut back. Under Obama, more ood stamps were given to millionaires; Why not, it was the super rich folks that gave Obama record cotributions.

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Oct 16, 2018 17:32:22   #
moldyoldy
 
maureenthannon wrote:
I suppose ou agree with the Demorats that the way to help minorities is to keep them on the publi doe. How an anyone not be offended by that BS? Republicans realize that minorities, just like every one else wnt to be able to wok nd support themselves and their families. Since Trump's been in office unemployment rates are the lowest they have ever been for African Americans and Hispanis. When Obama was President, All people, minorities and w****s, were hurt financially. The big multi-million dollar corporations that were "Too big to fail" received government handouts, but the common people were supposed to cut back. Under Obama, more ood stamps were given to millionaires; Why not, it was the super rich folks that gave Obama record cotributions.
I suppose ou agree with the Demorats that the way ... (show quote)


You seem to think all B****s are on welfare. The t***h is those GOP v****g Appalachians are the freeloaders and opioid abusers.

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Oct 16, 2018 18:50:28   #
dongreen76
 
slatten49 wrote:
How can we get more black people and people of color to become republican in America? What stops people from wanting to side with the party's politics in the first place?

An opinion from blogger Adam Roach...

I am a white, Christian, middle aged, male, small business owner. I am the Republican Party.

They have a hard time getting me to v**e for them. It’s specifically because of the domestic policy. While I benefited from the recent tax bill, my employees didn’t. Most of them are white too.

So if they have a hard time getting me to v**e continuously for them, how are they going to get the not me?

The issue is that the Republican Party has become a party of social exclusionism. There is little difference between the duopoly on monetary policy, trade policy, fiscal discipline, subsidies, budgetary concerns etc. The only substantive differences are in regulatory policy, science funding and tax policy.

Its all about social conservatism today. I’m a fiscally conservative v**er but I don’t really care about gay marriage, or t*********r issues or kneeling during the anthem. In fact the amount of vitriol the GOP loads into these things actually makes me sympathetic to the other side because whenever I see someone pushing this level of exclusionism I recognize that the underlying prejudice is inherently Un-American.

There it is, Un-American.

How are the minorities supposed to choose the GOP when everything those minorities say or care about is dismissed as whining or laziness?

Too many extrajudicial k*****gs of black men by cops?.....Stop wearing hoodies.

The water system in my town is full of lead?.....Move you slacker.

I work two jobs and can’t pay the bills?.....Tough, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Get a third job.

Healthcare is too expensive!....Don’t buy an iPhone.

The iPhone comment came from a guy who said that his congressional salary of $174k wasn’t enough for him to afford his home in Utah and a place in Washington DC. A guy who hasn’t actually paid for healthcare in more than a decade.

I have watched republicans take a position that is pro-life for fetuses but wave off mass school shootings as part of “the price of freedom”. They can defend that fetus but then fight any program that would feed it, shelter it, give it healthcare.

I’ve watched them use the free speech argument to defend all manner of bad behaviour but then call down a guy for quietly taking a knee as an affront to America.

They want school choice but only as a direct way to further defund public schools.

They promised for a decade to give us better healthcare but at the cost of 10% of the population not having any at all, and what was left over wasn’t much better.

They accuse the other side of fiscal irresponsibility but then spend even more when they have control.

Yet the core problem that is germane to this question is the r****m.

Not all republicans are r****ts but if you are politically active and a r****t, you will be a republican.

Jack Kemp, Bob Dole, Colin Powell are gone. They’ve been replaced by weaker, c*********d men who lack moral vision.

I have known four local GOP chairmen scattered across the South, they were all r****ts and bad at hiding it. That’s local politics. In places with actual black v**ers that were Christian, conservative, hard working and largely gun owners. Lost opportunities.

The GOP as it exists today has become a party of meanness. They have no forward vision and they exist only to cache money for the wealthiest citizens. They have pioneered a new society of debt s***es and they’ve done it for a new society of masters.

B****s and Latinos are pretty good at sniffing out a r****t. It’s a necessary survival sk**l for a minority population that exists lower down the social ladder. Why would they v**e for people that they know will not listen to them? People that think they are less valuable to society? People who think they are superior by virtue of birth alone?

They shouldn’t and they don’t.

The democrats have faced this too but not because of r****m it’s just basic indifference and general malaise.

The GOP has become a pool of single issue v**ers but those issues are not really relevant to them.

School choice is meaningless for people without the means to afford even a subsidized private education.

A******n isn’t really an issue in black/brown America because their large, tight knit families provide the necessary support mechanisms that alleviate many of the socioeconomic pressures associated with the practice leaving only health related concerns as a primary driver.

Guns rights are so far down the list of concerns that they barely register for minority v**ers.

Tax cuts are always popular but eliminating capital gains is only popular with people who have them, that’s not the plurality of the population. Top end cuts don’t matter to poor people, heck low end cuts don’t matter that much when you are in the bottom 35%.

The gay wedding cake debacle is utterly meaningless to minorities, they know what it’s like to be discriminated against and should they have have the luxury of turning down paying business they would at least be civil about it.

New aircraft carriers are cool but Americans who can’t afford whole family healthcare aren’t going to v**e on that.

Then there is the Obama problem.

The GOP was utterly disrespectful to the first black president. They did that for 8 years and they did it in ways that came off as utterly r****t. That little bit of thinly veiled theater will cost them v**es for a generation. When we elect the first Latino it will be much the same and considering the last two weeks the first woman will likely find a similar reception, even if she’s a republican.

Misogyny has a price. The GOP knows this and that’s why their real crime is to disenfranchise as many actual potential v**ers as possible. Roster purges, gerrymandering (by both sides), a criminal justice system that seems almost designed to adversely impact minority communities, permanently yanking v****g access.

This Republican Party as it exists today isn’t even trying to get minority v**es. It’s going out of its way to prevent minority v****g. The minorities are catching on too. If they actually start v****g the GOP as it is currently constituted might just go extinct.

The problem is that the other option is seldom vastly better. The democrats have essentially adopted the moderate republican economic policy, which I’m personally fine with. That’s the problem though, there isn’t really a ton of difference on the one thing people reliably v**e on, their checkbooks.

It looks like with Kavanaugh they might have stepped on a landmine though. Women aren’t a minority, they are half the population. The tackiness that has insinuated itself into the body politic is not helping here and that’ll hurt more than the minority v**e in general because it’s minority women who take v****g more seriously in my experience and women talk to each other.

To answer the question after this long rant:

To attract minorities the GOP needs to fundamentally change its character. Not necessarily its core philosophy but its character. That’s going to be hard with its current members.
How can we get more black people and people of col... (show quote)


Hmmm,"what stops minorities from v****g for Republicans; let me see.Their plutocratic w***e s*********t HIGHNESSNESS,
YES ME LORD`, they mandate of their subjects.

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Oct 16, 2018 19:24:02   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
dongreen76 wrote:
Hmmm,"what stops minorities from v****g for Republicans; let me see.Their plutocratic w***e s*********t HIGHNESSNESS,
YES ME LORD`, they mandate of their subjects.


WOW

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Oct 16, 2018 19:33:39   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
slatten49 wrote:
How can we get more black people and people of color to become republican in America? What stops people from wanting to side with the party's politics in the first place?

An opinion from blogger Adam Roach...

I am a white, Christian, middle aged, male, small business owner. I am the Republican Party.

They have a hard time getting me to v**e for them. It’s specifically because of the domestic policy. While I benefited from the recent tax bill, my employees didn’t. Most of them are white too.

So if they have a hard time getting me to v**e continuously for them, how are they going to get the not me?

The issue is that the Republican Party has become a party of social exclusionism. There is little difference between the duopoly on monetary policy, trade policy, fiscal discipline, subsidies, budgetary concerns etc. The only substantive differences are in regulatory policy, science funding and tax policy.

Its all about social conservatism today. I’m a fiscally conservative v**er but I don’t really care about gay marriage, or t*********r issues or kneeling during the anthem. In fact the amount of vitriol the GOP loads into these things actually makes me sympathetic to the other side because whenever I see someone pushing this level of exclusionism I recognize that the underlying prejudice is inherently Un-American.

There it is, Un-American.

How are the minorities supposed to choose the GOP when everything those minorities say or care about is dismissed as whining or laziness?

Too many extrajudicial k*****gs of black men by cops?.....Stop wearing hoodies.

The water system in my town is full of lead?.....Move you slacker.

I work two jobs and can’t pay the bills?.....Tough, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Get a third job.

Healthcare is too expensive!....Don’t buy an iPhone.

The iPhone comment came from a guy who said that his congressional salary of $174k wasn’t enough for him to afford his home in Utah and a place in Washington DC. A guy who hasn’t actually paid for healthcare in more than a decade.

I have watched republicans take a position that is pro-life for fetuses but wave off mass school shootings as part of “the price of freedom”. They can defend that fetus but then fight any program that would feed it, shelter it, give it healthcare.

I’ve watched them use the free speech argument to defend all manner of bad behaviour but then call down a guy for quietly taking a knee as an affront to America.

They want school choice but only as a direct way to further defund public schools.

They promised for a decade to give us better healthcare but at the cost of 10% of the population not having any at all, and what was left over wasn’t much better.

They accuse the other side of fiscal irresponsibility but then spend even more when they have control.

Yet the core problem that is germane to this question is the r****m.

Not all republicans are r****ts but if you are politically active and a r****t, you will be a republican.

Jack Kemp, Bob Dole, Colin Powell are gone. They’ve been replaced by weaker, c*********d men who lack moral vision.

I have known four local GOP chairmen scattered across the South, they were all r****ts and bad at hiding it. That’s local politics. In places with actual black v**ers that were Christian, conservative, hard working and largely gun owners. Lost opportunities.

The GOP as it exists today has become a party of meanness. They have no forward vision and they exist only to cache money for the wealthiest citizens. They have pioneered a new society of debt s***es and they’ve done it for a new society of masters.

B****s and Latinos are pretty good at sniffing out a r****t. It’s a necessary survival sk**l for a minority population that exists lower down the social ladder. Why would they v**e for people that they know will not listen to them? People that think they are less valuable to society? People who think they are superior by virtue of birth alone?

They shouldn’t and they don’t.

The democrats have faced this too but not because of r****m it’s just basic indifference and general malaise.

The GOP has become a pool of single issue v**ers but those issues are not really relevant to them.

School choice is meaningless for people without the means to afford even a subsidized private education.

A******n isn’t really an issue in black/brown America because their large, tight knit families provide the necessary support mechanisms that alleviate many of the socioeconomic pressures associated with the practice leaving only health related concerns as a primary driver.

Guns rights are so far down the list of concerns that they barely register for minority v**ers.

Tax cuts are always popular but eliminating capital gains is only popular with people who have them, that’s not the plurality of the population. Top end cuts don’t matter to poor people, heck low end cuts don’t matter that much when you are in the bottom 35%.

The gay wedding cake debacle is utterly meaningless to minorities, they know what it’s like to be discriminated against and should they have have the luxury of turning down paying business they would at least be civil about it.

New aircraft carriers are cool but Americans who can’t afford whole family healthcare aren’t going to v**e on that.

Then there is the Obama problem.

The GOP was utterly disrespectful to the first black president. They did that for 8 years and they did it in ways that came off as utterly r****t. That little bit of thinly veiled theater will cost them v**es for a generation. When we elect the first Latino it will be much the same and considering the last two weeks the first woman will likely find a similar reception, even if she’s a republican.

Misogyny has a price. The GOP knows this and that’s why their real crime is to disenfranchise as many actual potential v**ers as possible. Roster purges, gerrymandering (by both sides), a criminal justice system that seems almost designed to adversely impact minority communities, permanently yanking v****g access.

This Republican Party as it exists today isn’t even trying to get minority v**es. It’s going out of its way to prevent minority v****g. The minorities are catching on too. If they actually start v****g the GOP as it is currently constituted might just go extinct.

The problem is that the other option is seldom vastly better. The democrats have essentially adopted the moderate republican economic policy, which I’m personally fine with. That’s the problem though, there isn’t really a ton of difference on the one thing people reliably v**e on, their checkbooks.

It looks like with Kavanaugh they might have stepped on a landmine though. Women aren’t a minority, they are half the population. The tackiness that has insinuated itself into the body politic is not helping here and that’ll hurt more than the minority v**e in general because it’s minority women who take v****g more seriously in my experience and women talk to each other.

To answer the question after this long rant:

To attract minorities the GOP needs to fundamentally change its character. Not necessarily its core philosophy but its character. That’s going to be hard with its current members.
How can we get more black people and people of col... (show quote)


Has the meaning of gerrymandering changed since I taught about it years ago? I keep seeing leaners talk about it as if it had something to do with v****g for individual v**ers but that refers to something I don't think has to do with gerrymandering.

I have seen more b****s changing sides so I have to wonder if we are wrong about that. Do many b****s lose the right to v**e from requiring people to have cards that allow them to do that? I hear that crap here in Kansas and only a driver's license is needed. You can get an ID card from the driver's license people for no money at all. In other words it does cost me money to v**e since I use my license as ID and people who don't own cars or drive otherwise get them free.

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Oct 16, 2018 20:17:24   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You seem to think all B****s are on welfare. The t***h is those GOP v****g Appalachians are the freeloaders and opioid abusers.


That is an interesting point!

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Oct 16, 2018 20:58:27   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
slatten49 wrote:
How can we get more black people and people of color to become republican in America? What stops people from wanting to side with the party's politics in the first place?

An opinion from blogger Adam Roach...

I am a white, Christian, middle aged, male, small business owner. I am the Republican Party.

They have a hard time getting me to v**e for them. It’s specifically because of the domestic policy. While I benefited from the recent tax bill, my employees didn’t. Most of them are white too.

So if they have a hard time getting me to v**e continuously for them, how are they going to get the not me?

The issue is that the Republican Party has become a party of social exclusionism. There is little difference between the duopoly on monetary policy, trade policy, fiscal discipline, subsidies, budgetary concerns etc. The only substantive differences are in regulatory policy, science funding and tax policy.

Its all about social conservatism today. I’m a fiscally conservative v**er but I don’t really care about gay marriage, or t*********r issues or kneeling during the anthem. In fact the amount of vitriol the GOP loads into these things actually makes me sympathetic to the other side because whenever I see someone pushing this level of exclusionism I recognize that the underlying prejudice is inherently Un-American.

There it is, Un-American.

How are the minorities supposed to choose the GOP when everything those minorities say or care about is dismissed as whining or laziness?

Too many extrajudicial k*****gs of black men by cops?.....Stop wearing hoodies.

The water system in my town is full of lead?.....Move you slacker.

I work two jobs and can’t pay the bills?.....Tough, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Get a third job.

Healthcare is too expensive!....Don’t buy an iPhone.

The iPhone comment came from a guy who said that his congressional salary of $174k wasn’t enough for him to afford his home in Utah and a place in Washington DC. A guy who hasn’t actually paid for healthcare in more than a decade.

I have watched republicans take a position that is pro-life for fetuses but wave off mass school shootings as part of “the price of freedom”. They can defend that fetus but then fight any program that would feed it, shelter it, give it healthcare.

I’ve watched them use the free speech argument to defend all manner of bad behaviour but then call down a guy for quietly taking a knee as an affront to America.

They want school choice but only as a direct way to further defund public schools.

They promised for a decade to give us better healthcare but at the cost of 10% of the population not having any at all, and what was left over wasn’t much better.

They accuse the other side of fiscal irresponsibility but then spend even more when they have control.

Yet the core problem that is germane to this question is the r****m.

Not all republicans are r****ts but if you are politically active and a r****t, you will be a republican.

Jack Kemp, Bob Dole, Colin Powell are gone. They’ve been replaced by weaker, c*********d men who lack moral vision.

I have known four local GOP chairmen scattered across the South, they were all r****ts and bad at hiding it. That’s local politics. In places with actual black v**ers that were Christian, conservative, hard working and largely gun owners. Lost opportunities.

The GOP as it exists today has become a party of meanness. They have no forward vision and they exist only to cache money for the wealthiest citizens. They have pioneered a new society of debt s***es and they’ve done it for a new society of masters.

B****s and Latinos are pretty good at sniffing out a r****t. It’s a necessary survival sk**l for a minority population that exists lower down the social ladder. Why would they v**e for people that they know will not listen to them? People that think they are less valuable to society? People who think they are superior by virtue of birth alone?

They shouldn’t and they don’t.

The democrats have faced this too but not because of r****m it’s just basic indifference and general malaise.

The GOP has become a pool of single issue v**ers but those issues are not really relevant to them.

School choice is meaningless for people without the means to afford even a subsidized private education.

A******n isn’t really an issue in black/brown America because their large, tight knit families provide the necessary support mechanisms that alleviate many of the socioeconomic pressures associated with the practice leaving only health related concerns as a primary driver.

Guns rights are so far down the list of concerns that they barely register for minority v**ers.

Tax cuts are always popular but eliminating capital gains is only popular with people who have them, that’s not the plurality of the population. Top end cuts don’t matter to poor people, heck low end cuts don’t matter that much when you are in the bottom 35%.

The gay wedding cake debacle is utterly meaningless to minorities, they know what it’s like to be discriminated against and should they have have the luxury of turning down paying business they would at least be civil about it.

New aircraft carriers are cool but Americans who can’t afford whole family healthcare aren’t going to v**e on that.

Then there is the Obama problem.

The GOP was utterly disrespectful to the first black president. They did that for 8 years and they did it in ways that came off as utterly r****t. That little bit of thinly veiled theater will cost them v**es for a generation. When we elect the first Latino it will be much the same and considering the last two weeks the first woman will likely find a similar reception, even if she’s a republican.

Misogyny has a price. The GOP knows this and that’s why their real crime is to disenfranchise as many actual potential v**ers as possible. Roster purges, gerrymandering (by both sides), a criminal justice system that seems almost designed to adversely impact minority communities, permanently yanking v****g access.

This Republican Party as it exists today isn’t even trying to get minority v**es. It’s going out of its way to prevent minority v****g. The minorities are catching on too. If they actually start v****g the GOP as it is currently constituted might just go extinct.

The problem is that the other option is seldom vastly better. The democrats have essentially adopted the moderate republican economic policy, which I’m personally fine with. That’s the problem though, there isn’t really a ton of difference on the one thing people reliably v**e on, their checkbooks.

It looks like with Kavanaugh they might have stepped on a landmine though. Women aren’t a minority, they are half the population. The tackiness that has insinuated itself into the body politic is not helping here and that’ll hurt more than the minority v**e in general because it’s minority women who take v****g more seriously in my experience and women talk to each other.

To answer the question after this long rant:

To attract minorities the GOP needs to fundamentally change its character. Not necessarily its core philosophy but its character. That’s going to be hard with its current members.
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If any one truly wants to have a business that returns a good return on their investment.
I say there are but a few things that really matter:
Have something the public really wants & can afford.
If you find that & want to grow you need employees.
Treat them well & see that their wages & benefits leave your employees pleased.

One big mistake many make is that when they open that door that money is all theirs & wish to keep as much of it as they can.
If every one prospers the business prospers.

One thing in life that is the failing of many is :
Buying air.
A big car with a lot of bells & whistles cost more to buy (More profits at less cost in over all value.)
You name it & the cost of living for the basic things in life cost more to buy than the increased cost to make them.
The illusion of what some thing is worth is often based on what you pay for it.
The urge to buy things soon passes the time needed to really have the time to enjoy it all.

Waste not want not is not a part of most peoples life.

There is a never ending supply of goods & services to spend money not in hand on.
Credit cards & the ensuing debt is over whelming.

We live in a world where more is always in demand.
For things to work well & keep the goose that lays the golden eggs going.
Money has to be present in the hands of the consumers in a supply that fulfills the demand.

For the last 40 some years that has not been the case.

There is more than enough junk to buy.
There is not enough money in the hands of the public to buy enough to make it all work out right.

Don't pay me enough on my savings.
I spend less.
Take my money & use it to make money for your self & some one some where is looking for me to go through their door & buy something.

I can't make the bankers happy & some other small business person happy also..

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Oct 16, 2018 21:04:18   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
That is an interesting point!



That's not interesting at all, Floyd. It's purely a slur with no basis. Maybe he would like to provide some facts to back up these assertions.

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Oct 16, 2018 21:09:43   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
That's not interesting at all, Floyd. It's purely a slur with no basis. Maybe he would like to provide some facts to back up these assertions.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-11-11-9611110180-story.html

https://groundswell.org/7-lies-about-welfare-that-many-people-believe-are-fact/

https://www.thoughtco.com/who-really-receives-welfare-4126592

https://www.creditdonkey.com/welfare-statistics.html

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Oct 16, 2018 21:11:03   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
That's not interesting at all, Floyd. It's purely a slur with no basis. Maybe he would like to provide some facts to back up these assertions.


Go back to your lily white neighborhood. Where every thing is rosy & sweet.
Where the facts are just what you wish them to be.

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