Undoubtly everyone has seen the new anti-Trump meme..... what the authors and those spreading this piece of nonsense fails to realize..... undocumented or better described i******s may or may not pay taxes. However, they number in the millions. President Trump, before he took office paid an average of $38 million dollars a year and does not use any welfare. The average illegal us the following services:

"Unauthorized immigrants are ineligible for most major federally-funded safety net programs. Key safety net programs, including the cash welfare program Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program), and the means-tested disability program Supplemental Security Income (SSI) are available. An estimated 40 percent of non-elderly undocumented immigrants have no health insurance." Plus all their undocumented children receive free education (crowding school systems) and free lunches. I do not begrudge the kids receiving education or food... I resent i***ts pretending that i******s pay their own way.

Based on this..... they use more services than their taxes cover.

So... here is the meme....

I spent 3 months in Juarez several years ago on a job, and at one point met a young woman who was from there. She had virtually no Mexican accent and spoke excellent English. She explained that she had gone to college in Texas the second time she was there illegally, on the public dime, before she was caught by the Border Patrol and deported for the second time.

Prior to that, as a security supervisor in a Nevada casino, I was involved in a few arrests of i******s whom we'd caught for things like purse snatching and battery, where we subsequently learned that a few of them had been deported anywhere from once to eight or nine times. Two of those fellows were collecting food stamps and at least one of them had been treated in a local hospital.

On another occasion, there was a southeast Asian with a green card we arrested twice in two weeks for felony theft (grand larceny). After the second time we got him I asked one of the locally based Immigration agents why they didn't just deport a habitual criminal like that, and he explained that they only deported violent felons.

Now, as for those i******s who work, mostly "under the table," most of those millions in untaxed dollars gets sent home. The Mexican government doesn't mind because those remittance incomes put as much money into the Mexican economy as their oil and gas industry.

As such, at the cost of American jobs, we are acting as an off the books welfare system for "the folks back home" in Mexico and points south.

As far as the liberalyth that these "undocumented immigrants" only do the jobs Americans won't do, that's more equine maneur.
A friend of mine who is a retired Union carpenter once took me for a tour of the Putnam County, N.Y. town he lives in and pointed out new homes that had had foundations laid, been framed, roofed, had bricks laid, etc by i******s, working off the books.

These are jobs that a whole lot of Americans would take except that they're being undercut by i******s for less than an American can survive on. Some find cheap live-in hotels that aren't too aggressive about looking at ID, and three or more will share a room. In the case of my friend's town, local contractors put their illegal labor pool up in a "bunk house" above some stores.

As I see it, there are two strategic reasons the Democrats fight so hard to keep these folks in the country. One is because their agenda, and v**es, depend(s) upon keeping unsk**led b****s from obtaining employment, the other is for the additional v**es they expect in the event that they can get these i******s amnesty/citizenship.

So when I hear a Democrat blathering about having compassion or empathy for i******s, all I hear is pure bulls**t.

1) Where are Trump's taxes that tell us what he paid and didn't pay? 2) I*****l a***ns don't use welfare either and pay property taxes, sales taxes, and if they have an illegal ID pay SSI, Medicare, state taxes, unemployment, and federal taxes...all taxes Trump either doesn't pay or pays at a greatly reduced rate. And show me any low income or even middle income who's taxed pay for all the benefits they gain. There's not a middle-income person out there whose property taxes will cover the expenses incurred by in educating 2.5 children--in fact, the full of our educational system is dependent on property taxes paid via business to cover the full expense of our educational system with that contributed from families but about half of what's needed to educate our children.

As for overcrowding, well that's up to the states to deal with. Here in Texas high schools allow only a max of 32 children per classroom and kindergarten through 8th grade the max class size is 22. If the brown hoards come in then we just build more schools and hire more teachers so overcrowding really isn't a problem. And for someone who doesn't begrudge people something you must otherwise you wouldn't use such a bogus argument designed to deny their contribution...

This meme was spot on unless you can produce Donalds tax returns to prove otherwise. Can you? Didn't think so.

As always, nice talking to you and since I don't have you on ignore why is it you had to duplicate my thread? Oh wait, I forgot, you're not talking to me. I keep forgetting-- like that will keep us apart.

I spent 3 months in Just several years ago on a job, and at one point met a young woman who was from there. She had virtually no Mexican accent and spoke excellent English. She explained that she had gone to college in Texas the second time she was there illegally, on the public dime, before she was caught by the Border Patrol and deported for the second time.

Prior to that, as a security supervisor in a Nevada casino, I was involved in a few arrests of i******s whom we'd caught for things like purse snatching and battery, where we subsequently learned that a few of them had been deported anywhere from once to eight or nine times. Two of those fellows were collecting food stamps and at least one of them had been treated in a local hospital.

On another occasion, there was a southeast Asian with a green card we arrested twice in two weeks for felony theft (grand larceny). After the second time we got him I asked one of the locally based Immigration agents why they didn't just deport a habitual criminal like that, and he explained that they only deported violent felons.

Now, as for those i******s who work, mostly "under the table," most of those millions in untaxed dollars gets sent home. The Mexican government doesn't mind because those remittance incomes put as much money into the Mexican economy as their oil and gas industry.

As such, at the cost of American jobs, we are acting as an off the books welfare system for "the folks back home" in Mexico and points south.

As far as the liberalyth that these "undocumented immigrants" only do the jobs Americans won't do, that's more equine maneur.
A friend of mine who is a retired Union carpenter once took me for a tour of the Putnam County, N.Y. town he lives in and pointed out new homes that had had foundations laid, been framed, roofed, had bricks laid, etc by i******s, working off the books.

These are jobs that a whole lot of Americans would take except that they're being undercut by i******s for less than an American can survive on. Some find cheap live-in hotels that aren't too aggressive about looking at ID, and three or more will share a room. In the case of my friend's town, local contractors put their illegal labor pool up in a "bunk house" above some stores.

As I see it, there are two strategic reasons the Democrats fight so hard to keep these folks in the country. One is because their agenda, and v**es, depend(s) upon keeping unsk**led b****s from obtaining employment, the other is for the additional v**es they expect in the event that they can get these i******s amnesty/citizenship.

So when I hear a Democrat blathering about having compassion or empathy for i******s, all I hear is pure bulls**t.

1) Where are Trump's taxes that tell us what he paid and didn't pay? 2) I*****l a***ns don't use welfare either and pay property taxes, sales taxes, and if they have an illegal ID pay SSI, Medicare, state taxes, unemployment, and federal taxes...all taxes Trump either doesn't pay or pays at a greatly reduced rate. And show me any low income or even middle income who's taxed pay for all the benefits they gain. There's not a middle-income person out there whose property taxes will cover the expenses incurred by in educating 2.5 children--in fact, the full of our educational system is dependent on property taxes paid via business to cover the full expense of our educational system with that contributed from families but about half of what's needed to educate our children.

As for overcrowding, well that's up to the states to deal with. Here in Texas high schools allow only a max of 32 children per classroom and kindergarten through 8th grade the max class size is 22. If the brown hoards come in then we just build more schools and hire more teachers so overcrowding really isn't a problem. And for someone who doesn't begrudge people something you must otherwise you wouldn't use such a bogus argument designed to deny their contribution...

This meme was spot on unless you can produce Donalds tax returns to prove otherwise. Can you? Didn't think so.

As always, nice talking to you and since I don't have you on ignore why is it you had to duplicate my thread? Oh wait, I forgot, you're not talking to me. I keep forgetting-- like that will keep us apart.

I spent 3 months in Just several years ago on a job, and at one point met a young woman who was from there. She had virtually no Mexican accent and spoke excellent English. She explained that she had gone to college in Texas the second time she was there illegally, on the public dime, before she was caught by the Border Patrol and deported for the second time.

Prior to that, as a security supervisor in a Nevada casino, I was involved in a few arrests of i******s whom we'd caught for things like purse snatching and battery, where we subsequently learned that a few of them had been deported anywhere from once to eight or nine times. Two of those fellows were collecting food stamps and at least one of them had been treated in a local hospital.

On another occasion, there was a southeast Asian with a green card we arrested twice in two weeks for felony theft (grand larceny). After the second time we got him I asked one of the locally based Immigration agents why they didn't just deport a habitual criminal like that, and he explained that they only deported violent felons.

Now, as for those i******s who work, mostly "under the table," most of those millions in untaxed dollars gets sent home. The Mexican government doesn't mind because those remittance incomes put as much money into the Mexican economy as their oil and gas industry.

As such, at the cost of American jobs, we are acting as an off the books welfare system for "the folks back home" in Mexico and points south.

As far as the liberalyth that these "undocumented immigrants" only do the jobs Americans won't do, that's more equine maneur.
A friend of mine who is a retired Union carpenter once took me for a tour of the Putnam County, N.Y. town he lives in and pointed out new homes that had had foundations laid, been framed, roofed, had bricks laid, etc by i******s, working off the books.

These are jobs that a whole lot of Americans would take except that they're being undercut by i******s for less than an American can survive on. Some find cheap live-in hotels that aren't too aggressive about looking at ID, and three or more will share a room. In the case of my friend's town, local contractors put their illegal labor pool up in a "bunk house" above some stores.

As I see it, there are two strategic reasons the Democrats fight so hard to keep these folks in the country. One is because their agenda, and v**es, depend(s) upon keeping unsk**led b****s from obtaining employment, the other is for the additional v**es they expect in the event that they can get these i******s amnesty/citizenship.

So when I hear a Democrat blathering about having compassion or empathy for i******s, all I hear is pure bulls**t.

Undoubtly everyone has seen the new anti-Trump meme..... what the authors and those spreading this piece of nonsense fails to realize..... undocumented or better described i******s may or may not pay taxes. However, they number in the millions. President Trump, before he took office paid an average of $38 million dollars a year and does not use any welfare. The average illegal us the following services:

"Unauthorized immigrants are ineligible for most major federally-funded safety net programs. Key safety net programs, including the cash welfare program Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program), and the means-tested disability program Supplemental Security Income (SSI) are available. An estimated 40 percent of non-elderly undocumented immigrants have no health insurance." Plus all their undocumented children receive free education (crowding school systems) and free lunches. I do not begrudge the kids receiving education or food... I resent i***ts pretending that i******s pay their own way.

Based on this..... they use more services than their taxes cover.

So... here is the meme....

I spent 3 months in Just several years ago on a job, and at one point met a young woman who was from there. She had virtually no Mexican accent and spoke excellent English. She explained that she had gone to college in Texas the second time she was there illegally, on the public dime, before she was caught by the Border Patrol and deported for the second time.

Prior to that, as a security supervisor in a Nevada casino, I was involved in a few arrests of i******s whom we'd caught for things like purse snatching and battery, where we subsequently learned that a few of them had been deported anywhere from once to eight or nine times. Two of those fellows were collecting food stamps and at least one of them had been treated in a local hospital.

On another occasion, there was a southeast Asian with a green card we arrested twice in two weeks for felony theft (grand larceny). After the second time we got him I asked one of the locally based Immigration agents why they didn't just deport a habitual criminal like that, and he explained that they only deported violent felons.

Now, as for those i******s who work, mostly "under the table," most of those millions in untaxed dollars gets sent home. The Mexican government doesn't mind because those remittance incomes put as much money into the Mexican economy as their oil and gas industry.

As such, at the cost of American jobs, we are acting as an off the books welfare system for "the folks back home" in Mexico and points south.

As far as the liberalyth that these "undocumented immigrants" only do the jobs Americans won't do, that's more equine maneur.
A friend of mine who is a retired Union carpenter once took me for a tour of the Putnam County, N.Y. town he lives in and pointed out new homes that had had foundations laid, been framed, roofed, had bricks laid, etc by i******s, working off the books.

These are jobs that a whole lot of Americans would take except that they're being undercut by i******s for less than an American can survive on. Some find cheap live-in hotels that aren't too aggressive about looking at ID, and three or more will share a room. In the case of my friend's town, local contractors put their illegal labor pool up in a "bunk house" above some stores.

As I see it, there are two strategic reasons the Democrats fight so hard to keep these folks in the country. One is because their agenda, and v**es, depend(s) upon keeping unsk**led b****s from obtaining employment, the other is for the additional v**es they expect in the event that they can get these i******s amnesty/citizenship.

So when I hear a Democrat blathering about having compassion or empathy for i******s, all I hear is pure bulls**t.

No, she duplicated my thread because she is a 70-year-old woman with the maturity level of a 3-year-old. You have to play her game her way else she won't play with you. She says she wants to debate but she doesn't want to debate because she lacks the ability to structure a logical argument. She is by far the most intelligent person on this board yet she uses the same logical fallacies as a typical Limbaugh weaned conservative will use. It's horrible how fallacies have ruined the conservative mind--especially those that otherwise, could could have been brilliant. As your president would say...SAD...

As for my unpleasantness, I am very pleasant with Democrats just as you are very pleasant with conservatives. And I say conservatives because we all know you guys spit on RINO's cuz they tend to think for themselves instead of following the mob rule you cons insist on.

And you have taught me something Archie, and that's not to apologize to a conservative--especially one who would laugh at the prospect of poising his family with heavy metals because anyone who would provide a driveway made up of heavy metals for his children and grandchildren to play in...cuz Ize war raised breathan tham in and Ize just fine...aints I?!?!? So lesson learned Archie. I will never make that mistake again. As per usual you cons have taught me so much I will never forget.