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Oct 18, 2018 18:47:33   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
John probably was gay. He never married but lived with Mary until she died in Ephesus.


That's one more you'll have to answer for. Paul never married and he condemned homosexuality. He probably wasn't homosexual. I don't use the word "gay" because it projects a false dichotomy of happy homosexuals hop skippering through the meadow carpeted with flowers instead of a perversion of human sexuality.

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Oct 18, 2018 18:52:07   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
You’re speculating and projecting. Just because God called Paul doesn’t mean every word he spoke thereafter was from God. Obviously.


Only those words that you personally don't approve or believe!

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Oct 18, 2018 18:52:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
padremike wrote:
That's one more you'll have to answer for. Paul never married and he condemned homosexuality. He probably wasn't homosexual. I don't use the word "gay" because it projects a false dichotomy of happy homosexuals hop skippering through the meadow carpeted with flowers instead of a perversion of human sexuality.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcSlcNfThUA

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Oct 18, 2018 18:55:55   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcSlcNfThUA


I left out "playing a ukulele."

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Oct 18, 2018 19:07:55   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:
That's one more you'll have to answer for. Paul never married and he condemned homosexuality. He probably wasn't homosexual.

But you don’t know that, do you. There are theories.
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I don't use the word "gay" because it projects a false dichotomy of happy homosexuals hop skippering through the meadow carpeted with flowers instead of a perversion of human sexuality.

We’re happy enough without your corny daydreams, thank you very much.

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Oct 18, 2018 19:09:26   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:
I left out "playing a ukulele."

Please. Try a little Mozart.

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Oct 18, 2018 19:12:58   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:
Only those words that you personally don't approve or believe!

So what’s wrong with believing God doesn’t want me to live a solitary, loveless life?
That’s what monasteries are for.

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Oct 18, 2018 20:00:13   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
We’re happy enough without your corny daydreams, thank you very much.


Suicide rate and early deaths rates do not corroborate your fantasy about happiness. You are certainly entitled to your free will; no argument from me there.

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Oct 18, 2018 20:19:54   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
So what’s wrong with believing God doesn’t want me to live a solitary, loveless life?
That’s what monasteries are for.


I think you might be taking "love thy neighbor" too literally. We have a capacity to deeply, intensely love thousands of people. Unfortunately in this age some people take that meaning as a challenge. Love consummated in sin is not love. Sincere, genuine, Godly love means you cherish and protect the soul of your loved one. You do not mutually engage in wilful sin together. This is not love, it's lust. These things apply just as much to heterosexuals as they do homosexuals. Of course the cry of outrage, even from some Christians, is "keep God the hell out of my bedroom" as if that were even possible.

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Oct 18, 2018 21:26:37   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:
I think you might be taking "love thy neighbor" too literally. We have a capacity to deeply, intensely love thousands of people. Unfortunately in this age some people take that meaning as a challenge. Love consummated in sin is not love. Sincere, genuine, Godly love means you cherish and protect the soul of your loved one. You do not mutually engage in wilful sin together. This is not love, it's lust. These things apply just as much to heterosexuals as they do homosexuals. Of course the cry of outrage, even from some Christians, is "keep God the hell out of my bedroom" as if that were even possible.
I think you might be taking "love thy neighbo... (show quote)


I’m thinking you’ve never
experienced love except in the abstract. Not someone I’d want to hear any lectures on love or “sin” from.

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Oct 19, 2018 15:07:16   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
I’m thinking you’ve never
experienced love except in the abstract. Not someone I’d want to hear any lectures on love or “sin” from.


Of course you'd think that; sorta covers your own butt to fix blame on someone else. A cheap shot I'm sure you will agree.

I have been faithfully married to the same wonderful wife and mother for 56 years. I cannot begin to express in words what depth and breadth of love it is like to start out young and grow old with someone you cherish and adore. There is nothing earthly that is comparable.

There are others on this forum that know exactly what I'm saying because they have expressed it in their own way. We returned today, temporarily, to our home, north of Panama City, Florida, to meet with FEMA and our insurance representative. Before we arrived home it occurred to me that if our home was a total loss, mother and I have already given the most precious possession we own to our children; our faith and the example and steadfastness of two parents who deeply love one another and their children. My wife is actually more beautiful to me today than was that mere 20 year old girl I married so long ago. It's that inner beauty that never fades but only grows. I really wish I could tell you more about her. She's wonderful. I do know about love, Kemmer, the sincere, genuine, lasting sort of love that helps each other attain heaven which is one of the purposes of Holy Matrimony.

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Oct 19, 2018 15:44:27   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:
Of course you'd think that; sorta covers your own butt to fix blame on someone else. A cheap shot I'm sure you will agree.

I have been faithfully married to the same wonderful wife and mother for 56 years. I cannot begin to express in words what depth and breadth of love it is like to start out young and grow old with someone you cherish and adore. There is nothing earthly that is comparable.

There are others on this forum that know exactly what I'm saying because they have expressed it in their own way. We returned today, temporarily, to our home, north of Panama City, Florida, to meet with FEMA and our insurance representative. Before we arrived home it occurred to me that if our home was a total loss, mother and I have already given the most precious possession we own to our children; our faith and the example and steadfastness of two parents who deeply love one another and their children. My wife is actually more beautiful to me today than was that mere 20 year old girl I married so long ago. It's that inner beauty that never fades but only grows. I really wish I could tell you more about her. She's wonderful. I do know about love, Kemmer, the sincere, genuine, lasting sort of love that helps each other attain heaven which is one of the purposes of Holy Matrimony.
Of course you'd think that; sorta covers your own ... (show quote)

Sorry for your loss, if any.
My partner and I have been together for 43 years, so I don’t need any lectures from you about love.
We haven’t married because years ago before marriage e******y was even a dream, we spent 1000s with a lawyer to guarantee all the rights and privileges of marriage.
And we have no worries about what God thinks about that. We’ve attended gay friends’ marriage rites at our local Episcopal cathedral, and all is right with world.

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Oct 19, 2018 18:36:35   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
kemmer wrote:
Sorry for your loss, if any.
My partner and I have been together for 43 years, so I don’t need any lectures from you about love.
We haven’t married because years ago before marriage e******y was even a dream, we spent 1000s with a lawyer to guarantee all the rights and privileges of marriage.
And we have no worries about what God thinks about that. We’ve attended gay friends’ marriage rites at our local Episcopal cathedral, and all is right with world.


Prime example why the Episcopal Church is anathema. It may be right with part of the world but it is sin in God's. Make no mistake about it.

I wonder why it is that those churches that ordain women gravitate to the acceptance of homosexuality as normal and healthy?

"Marriage e******y" - the very idea makes me ill. Valid marriage is between one woman and one man and militant homosexuality will never change it. No wonder you v**e Progressive considering the horrible social sexual agenda they advocate.

"You have no worries what God will think"..........now! That's because you have relegated God into the democratic process where power emanates with the people and is benevolently offered upwards for Him to accede. I'm the bearer of bad news! It's not going to work like you think.

If you truly loved your "partner"....you really do know the answer to what I would say. Unfortunately, lust is more important than love. BUT, I still respect your free will.

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Oct 19, 2018 19:50:27   #
kemmer
 
padremike wrote:
Prime example why the Episcopal Church is anathema.

You’re rather free with tossing about your nasty little anathemae, aren’t ya, poppy. Gawd! What sort of a troglodytic little “church” do you belong to, the one carrying h**e signs at funerals?
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I wonder why it is that those churches that ordain women gravitate to the acceptance of homosexuality as normal and healthy?

Ahh... padremike’s Church of Holy Mysogeny.
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Valid marriage is between one woman and one man and militant homosexuality will never change it.

Duh. It’s changed. Get used to it.
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No wonder you v**e Progressive considering the horrible social sexual agenda they advocate.

That “horrible agenda” is called love. You wouldn’t understand.

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"You have no worries what God will think".........It's not going to work like you think.

Sure it will.

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If you truly loved your "partner"....you really do know the answer to what I would say...

Yup. Marry a woman and ruin both of our lives, right?

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