Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

3 segments of one show. A Look into the life of an American patriot. Good stuff.

Life, Liberty and Levin: Jon Voight on his friend, Burt Reynolds

Jon Voight (Part 1) #Walkaway & Donald Trump

Jon Voight (Part 2) Donald Trump, God, and the Pursuit of Happiness

Sicilianthing

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This is Angelina Jolies father

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So?

Sicilianthing

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Don’t let him fool you bro, you’re easily swayed.

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Without a doubt, you are the most scatterbrained, pessimistic, paranoid, mentally and emotionally corrupt individual I've ever encountered. Bar none.

Mutton Dressed As Lamb

Well you haven't met this individual whom Sicilianthing likes to quote. "Brother" Nathanael Kapner. Looks like a cross between a French Poodle and a beehive

Sicilianthing

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Du’fuh you talkin’ bout bro ?

John Voigt is not a patriot, he just sounds like one, like you.

Sicilianthing

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I dont care about looks, I care about T***h that bares knowledge, and he knows it well, uncovers every toxic, ScrewTape sick n twisted lie they’ve been pumping at you guys for 100+ years.

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Yeah, I've seen a couple of that crackpot's videos. He's as goofy as they come.

Sicilianthing

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Blah blah

Cmon man you’re smarter than that.

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You should hear what you sound like. Even the world's best shrinks would be hard pressed to figure you out.

Sicilianthing

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I have 7 shrinks, they all say I’m normal fine.

Usually I’m just messing with you guys anyway.

As for Voight? I hope you’re right.

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Yeah, I am.


Message from a teacher:

Several years ago the person known as Brother Nathaniel became disaffected from Judaism, the faith he grew up in (after a fashion). At some point later in life he became interested in and converted to Orthodox Christianity (Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Antiochian Orthodox, etc.) Orthodoxy is ancient, mystical, and possesses a profound theology and practice of the faith. That drew him. and some point after his conversion he began the process of becoming a monastic.

Orthodoxy, especially Russian Orthodoxy takes a dim view of Z*****m, and butted heads theologically with Rabbinic Judaism a number of times across the centuries. It is not by nature hostile to Jews, but has a long standing strained relationship with Rabbinic Judaism.

Apparently for Brother Nathaniel this aspect loomed large in his personal ideation. He became obsessed. And it affected his efforts at becoming a monk, which requires the development of a dispassionate life dev**ed first and foremost to prayer.

As his obsession grew he began making videos about Judaism, initially trying to echo the sentiments expressed by a number of elders and saints, but completely missing or slanting the theological context of what they said. Basically he lacked the depth of spiritual life to understand what they said in the context of their own life and times. In short he was looking to settle scores not deal with the inherent theologian frictions and antimonies between the Rabbinic Jewish faith and the Orthodox faith. Eventually his thinking got entangled with various conspiracy theories and speculation.

His abbot and his bishop both told him to cool his jets. He had gotten his priorities backward. He had taken on a public role without a blessing, nor had he cleared his content with those in spiritual authority. He refused to heed his spiritual superiors and they disavowed his antics and let him go his own way.

If you will note he wears a cross visibly outside his cassock. This is only permitted for Priests, Bishops, and Abbots in most instances. It is certainly not permitted to unfinished novices. His religious beliefs may be rooted in Orthodoxy, but his practice and political rants have placed him far outside Orthodoxy’s pale.

In short he has made himself just another self-appointed TV preacher using Orthodoxy as his gimmick to gain a following. By Orthodox standards he is deluded, needs to repent, and spend the rest of his life out of the limelight back in the monastery praying for himself and for others.

For what it’s worth, when I first saw one of his videos, I wondered if the TV “Free Government Money”Pitchman “Lesko” had become a monk.

The Clergy's Charge
By David Abel | Globe Staff

BROOKLINE -- When he first showed up a few months ago, the bearded man in the bright Sephardic yarmulke stood out from the synagogue's other congregants. For one thing, he carried a crucifix. During services, he constantly walked in and out of the sanctuary. And after the rabbi's sermons, the former salesman would clap - a no-no in any temple.

At Young Israel of Brookline, the first impulse of most congregants was to help Milton Kapner, a 52-year-old fellow Jew who had been living in his green Buick since the summer. The rabbi welcomed him to services, answered his questions in classes, and bought him a membership to a health spa so he could shower. Others offered him clothes or took him out for dinners at nice restaurants. One woman even gave him a place to stay for the night.

But after a few months - when, temple officials say, he harassed congregants, crashed a wedding, and twice forced them to call the police - they barred him from the synagogue. Most recently, Kapner, who plays music for money in Harvard Square, stood in front of the temple and heckled congregants as they arrived for services.

"We don't know what to do with him," said Jerry Baronofsky, the orthodox synagogue's president, who has sought help from Jewish Family and Children's Services, a social-services provider. "We want to help him, but the t***h is we're not sure the best way to go about it."

It's a quandary common to many churches and synagogues: As more needy people seek shelter and sustenance from religious institutions, where does a congregation draw the line between its interests, whether it be security or order in the sanctuary, and its mission to help the poor?

Clergy members at churches and synagogues throughout the area say they've seen a rise in the number of needy people, many of them homeless, who slip in for meals after services or sit quietly to stay warm for a while.

For the most part, unless they're disruptive, the needy are welcomed, or at least tolerated. Some of the major churches in downtown Boston even have street ministries, special outreach offices for the homeless. On Tremont Street, the Episcopal Cathedral of St. Paul, for example, provides pastoral counseling, referral services, and a telephone to those in need.

Not all churches or synagogues are as welcoming. In some cases, those scruffy, loud newcomers who aren't members or are deemed to be dressed inappropriately are turned away at the door.

"They won't let them in either because of past problems or because they anticipate the person isn't going to behave within the norms of the institution," said the Rev. Deborah W. Little, who founded Common Cathedral, an outdoor worshipping community of about 150 homeless people in Boston. "It's not always easy to find the right balance."

At St. Paul's, long a draw for the homeless, church officials had to hire a security guard because so many people crowded onto their porch, either to sleep or do drugs. Recently, after someone rubbed feces on the wall of one of the bathrooms, they decided to review an old policy of allowing the homeless to use the toilet.

"Many of the homeless are members of our congregation in good standing," said the Rev. Sarah Fike of St. Paul's. "But sometimes it can be a struggle with maintaining as much openness as possible and the necessary safety and cleanliness. Our kids, after all, need clean bathrooms."

The Arlington Street Church, which also attracts many homeless, especially to its Friday night "supper club," has a special policy for those who disrupt services. When someone disrupts repeatedly, said associate minister Carol Strecker, church officials approach the person and ask them to agree to a verbal contract. Often, in order to stay, the person must consent to therapy sessions and to allow a church member to sit next to them during services.

Sometimes, however, no matter how hard church officials try, the disruptive person is beyond help - and can be a threat to the congregation.

At the Park Street Church, one homeless man reached into the collection basket and instead of adding a donation, he grabbed all the cash. Church officials called the police.

At the Ruggles Baptist Church on Beacon Street, according to the Rev. Larry Showalter, one woman insisted on remaining after hours to play the piano. When church officials asked her to leave, she refused. When they banned her from entering, she began stalking them, demanding they let her in to play the piano. After she violated a restraining order, police arrested her and sent her to jail for six months.

"It's sad when there's nothing you can do to help," Showalter said.

For the congregants of Young Israel, which like many synagogues is increasingly security-conscious since Sept. 11, Milton Kapner never posed a physical threat. But the fast-talking guest, who told congregants he graduated from Columbia University and lost his home in Needham, began making people feel uncomfortable, even chasing some away from services.

"The t***h is he was welcome here, as long as he followed the rules," said Robert Wolff, the synagogue's former president. "But after a while, people lost their patience."

Approached recently at the McDonald's on Harvard Street, where he often cajoles people to buy him a free meal, Kapner refused to speak. In a previous phone interview, he complained: "I've been excommunicated. It's the worst thing that can happen to a Jew."

A few days later, after a crossing guard reported Kapner was endangering himself walking through traffic on Washington Street, he ambled into Brookline District Court and started screaming, police said. Health officials decided to commit him to a hospital, where he will stay until doctors release him.

"Maybe this is the best thing for him," said Baronofsky, Young Israel's president. "Hopefully, it will help."

Sicilianthing

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I’m quite aware of the bio on Brother Nathaniel and his screwtape clergy can go Ph**k themselves, would you like to join them ?

I’m exiting this Topic now, Thank You.
No hard feelings.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Jon Voight was active in anti-war effort during Viet-Nam, along with Joan Baez, Jane Fonda and a host of others. After the fall of Viet-Nam and the dominos and the subsequent blood baths in the other countries, especially Cambodia, Joan Baez spoke out against it and roundly condemned the c*******t regime that took over a united Viet-Nam. She was honorably consistent.

There was conspicuous silence from the Left as the butchery proceeded. Politicians like Ted Kenendy & George McGovern remained silent and were never called out on it. Most of the folk singers and other artists who had participated in the anti-war movement stayed silent.

Jon Voight re-asesssed his views and moved across the spectrum to his current position as a conservative. By & very large, the Left has remained silent about the carnage since the fall of southeast Asia. The progressives of the Left have never been concerned about the spread of c*******m because they are of the same ideology. Ted Kennedy, George McGovern, Jane Fonda, etc. are & were, in their hearts, c*******t sympathizers, just as most of the Democrats today.