nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Oh Morgan, calling Linda a troll? Are you kidding? When will you address the issues revealed in the ice cores? For hundreds of thousands of years the earth has warmed and cooled and from the ice cores we can see that CO2 concentrations rise AFTER the warming. That is the big thorn in the side of all alarmists. It is so impossible to explain that it is ignored by them.

We have been around for such a short period of time compared to the actual age of the earth. And you are talking about the effects of a gas which is not more than a few hundredths of a percentage of the atmosphere. We don't even have a complete picture of where all of the atmospheric gases come from or where they go. We are polluting, no doubt. Thousands of pounds of plastics every minute of every day and most is raked into the ocean eventually and is now found in the most extreme places on earth. PCP's and other pollutants too. We ARE doing damage. But, the evidence of CO2 causing warming is simply not strong and have a huge contradiction to be explained.

And maybe there actually is some warming. It isn't like the earth has never warmed before and perhaps the rate of warming is great, or maybe not. We are pretty sure evolutionary changes in species happens a lot faster than we once thought as well. Life will always find a way and for those with ocean front property. Ya'll should be well off enough to get ready for any changes coming our way!

Morgan

It is not only theory it is proven and recorded fact. it is called research and a prejectory outcome, fairly simple with some possible wavering due to some other outside sources to also have some impacts. Some being the sun, moon and yes platonic plates.

But what bothers me, is the disingenuous appeal you bring to the table trying to discredit the findings of g****l w*****g, all in order to kick the can, further down the road in order to placate to the f****l f**l industry, including this article using some unfinished information.

There is nothing that is a phenomenon here, they stated the cause for the Antartic expansion, which is only yearly ice. Brought by more precipitation due to the earth's warming.

The group found that the icy winds blowing off Antarctica, as well as a powerful ocean current that circles the frozen continent, are much larger factors in the formation and persistence of Antarctic sea ice than changes in temperature.

The mighty Southern Ocean Circumpolar Current prevents warmer ocean water from reaching the Antarctic sea ice zone, helping to isolate the continent. The winds within that ice zone keep the water extremely cold, enabling the sea ice cover to grow in recent years even as [u]global temperatures have risen markedly]/u].

I would also like to add that all in all we've had a total glacial reduction of 13,500 miles per year since the 1970's, that's about a loss of 675,000 miles in only half of a century! Maybe that isn't a concern of yours, you think it's just little mother earth doing her thing, well part of that is true, she's doing all she can to, to rebalance and survive what we're doing to her. This is the first time I've initiated the glaciers and only from the perspective of using this article, otherwise it was just engaging in an already present conversation.

What I have repeated is that all the different factors, is the collaborative information pertaining to g****l w*****g. Many many times there are turning points, we are at one now, no more kicking the can down the road to our children's generation. How responsible is that?
Earth has done well for herself until we arrived to the scene with our burning of f****l f**l. Let me ask you this, before fossil was found to be useable, we used whale oil, do you think we had an impact on them? or did they just die of old age.

Morgan

I'm fine with people as yourself wanting to take no responsibility to what we do as a race and wanting to look through rose-colored glasses and blow fairy dust up your arse, just don't prevent the rest of us from actually doing something about it, as in dismantling regulations like Trump did for you. Party first eh...

The ice cores show a linear time span of heating and cooling, and yet nothing that has ever reflected the rate of speed of warming we are presently experiencing, that is your answer. let me explain this also you are comparing a different period of time when there was a lag between a temperature rise to the Co2 rise, that's due to the fact it was a natural break down and much much slower. We pour C02 into the air every day along with toxic CO (which is not even discussed) by the billions of tonnes with cars trucks, plains, equipment, and industry, all to add to the natural amount, the earth cannot take it, plain and simple.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

"you are comparing a different period of time when there was a lag between a temperature rise to the Co2 rise, that's due to the fact it was a natural break down and much much slower. "

You need to explain what you are saying. It makes no sense.

Alarmists unequivocally admit that CO2 rises after the initial warming, but try to claim that the warming causes release of more CO2 from the oceans, it does, and this new CO2, while not the initiating cause of warming, accentuates it. They have zero reason in their own data to make this claim, they just figure it must be. Correlation does not mean causation. They are rationalizing.

Morgan

Going by your example of co2 increase following warming, was an example of time I believe 800 years ago, during that time there was a natural release of CO2 and a lag time of reaction. This is nothing like what we are experiencing today.

There are many factors to carbon release. In the past, carbon dioxide levels have been able to remain fairly constant as the release was in balance with the uptake. Today, humans are releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere at an accelerated rate.

This increased contribution is occurring too quickly for the environment to respond and absorb the excess. As a result, carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere are increasing, causing accelerated warming.

https://climatechangeconnection.org/science/are-humans-the-cause/

Black lines show observed average temperatures Blue shaded bands show the 5–95% range for 19 computer simulations from 5 climate models using only the natural forcings due to solar activity and volcanoes. Red shaded bands show the 5–95% r

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

You're still missing the point. CO2 levels lag behind temperature increases. Here is an article in which the scientists attempted to sharpen the data to have a smaller margin of error and even with the correction for less error the CO2 levels lagged behind temp inc by 200 years. The assumption is that rises in CO2 cause the temp rise but the lag disputes that.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Hey, morgan, FYI, anthropogenic g****l w*****g is a myth, the whole idea is a monumental s**m driven by socialist political ideology rather than empirical science. 98% of AGW data is based on computer modeling, not hard evidence. There is no doubt anymore that AGW data has been manipulated, fabricated or even invented to promote the political agenda, to make the evidence fit the narrative. AGW alarmism is pure, unadulterated, political bulls**t, it is fallacious and immoral.

In a nutshell, the advancement of the AGW political agenda has nothing whatsoever to do with CO2 in the atmosphere, atmospheric temperatures, or anything else pertaining to earth's climate. If this insane, inhuman political campaign ever achieves any measure of success, you're going to see some truly ugly results. (already happening in 3rd world countries). The consequences of such a wicked political agenda are a much greater threat to human life than is a couple billion tons of CO2--which by the way is vital to ALL life on earth.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Morgan

To say that, all we put into the air by f****l f**l(in every way possible) does not impact the environment is completely and utterly ridiculous. What is immoral, are the people planting the seeds of dought through misinformation and personally, I think they should be sued. That includes anyone planting misinformation.

What is factual are the accelerated changes clearly by man's impact and to deny that, is to deny any responsibility of what we have done, clear and simple.

FYI no one is denying Co2 is essential, but everything has a balance. A perfect example, sugar is essential to the body and what all food is broken down into, but too much injested sugar...will eventually, k**l you...slowly, until the final tipping point.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Explain the ice core data then, Morgan. Even with the newly "adjusted" data corrected for accuracy, the CO2 levels rose nearly 200 years AFTER the warming occurred.

I will tell you what is immoral, it's the attempts to pass legislation/regulations/taxes bent on trying to reverse warming "caused by man" which isn't even grounded in good science. THAT, is immoral.

The best man can do is get ready for warming, not preventing it. That doesn't mean shifting from f****l f**ls. It means get ready for the impact if, indeed, it actually occurs.

Morgan

You have to show me the link of what you're stating, when... what time period, allow me to read it. No that is not the best man can do, not even close. Do you care nothing for future generations?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Morgan

As I said before, this shows a time of only natural dispersing of CO2, where the exchange was much slower, and other natural effects played more of a part in the overall environment, especially year by year.

What we have seen in the past is a slow steady rise, turn into an extreme verticle rise after the industrial revolution.

Talking about natural exchanges from 800 years ago is pointless except for the fact that nature keeps things in balance, when man gets involved with our f****l f**ls, we've offset the natural balance, it is that simple, no conspiracy.

When the North Atlantic conveyor gets disrupted from let's say from freshwater melts, it will change the current and we will experience another ice age. The water stabilizes our world temperatures.

Let me know when you want to talk about the melting of the permafrost and methane.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

800 years. Try 800 thousand and more

As for the conveyor flow, no doubt, it's happening. But man isn't the cause.

Are you so dense as to not understand that?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I saw the same movie, by the way. Lol!