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What did you think about the hearings today and the testimony of Kavanaugh and Ford?
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Sep 27, 2018 20:43:43   #
rumitoid
 
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy theories, like Kavanaugh did, as a defense against his accuser, instead of just sticking to his word about what happened, puts his word on shaky and suspicious ground. Then apparently pandering to Trump, making comments about the reason for this conspiracy as "revenge for Clinton." Plus, he lied before the committee today under oath, as he did in the past, misrepresenting facts. What facts? He said that two of the three witnesses said it never happened. That is patently false. They said they did not remember the incident--which is entirely different than the exonerating statement "it did not happen." Bigly different! And his unhinged rant about the above mentioned conspiracy theories was not very judge-like. If he were a woman, the Republicans would have said he was "hysterical." Definite temperament issue.

The "female assistant" (as Mitch McConnell called her) Rachel Mitchell, a highly respected and accomplished lawyer, was removed at break after questioning Ford. Why? Two reasons. 1) She was unable to undermine her story, and 2) was making Ford a sympathetic witness.

Yet we all have our own take on how these proceedings went. Please give your reasons and explanations about your opinion.

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Sep 27, 2018 20:44:57   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
rumitoid wrote:
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy theories, like Kavanaugh did, as a defense against his accuser, instead of just sticking to his word about what happened, puts his word on shaky and suspicious ground. Then apparently pandering to Trump, making comments about the reason for this conspiracy as "revenge for Clinton." Plus, he lied before the committee today under oath, as he did in the past, misrepresenting facts. What facts? He said that two of the three witnesses said it never happened. That is patently false. They said they did not remember the incident--which is entirely different than the exonerating statement "it did not happen." Bigly different!

The "female assistant" (as Mitchell called her) Rachel Mitchell (no relation), a highly respected and accomplished lawyer, was removed at break after questioning Ford. Why? Two reasons. 1) She was unable to undermine her story, and 2) was making Ford a sympathetic witness.

Yet we all have our own take on how these proceedings went. Please give your reasons and explanations about your opinion.
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy ... (show quote)




Ford is a weirdo! It's another Prog-t*****r witch hunt, because the pro-a******n people are terrified that the murdering of defenseless unborn humans might be in jeopardy .

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Sep 27, 2018 20:58:26   #
Comment Loc: California
 
rumitoid wrote:
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy theories, like Kavanaugh did, as a defense against his accuser, instead of just sticking to his word about what happened, puts his word on shaky and suspicious ground. Then apparently pandering to Trump, making comments about the reason for this conspiracy as "revenge for Clinton." Plus, he lied before the committee today under oath, as he did in the past, misrepresenting facts. What facts? He said that two of the three witnesses said it never happened. That is patently false. They said they did not remember the incident--which is entirely different than the exonerating statement "it did not happen." Bigly different! And his unhinged rant about the above mentioned conspiracy theories was not very judge-like. If he were a woman, the Republicans would have said he was "hysterical." Definite temperament issue.

The "female assistant" (as Mitchell called her) Rachel Mitchell (no relation), a highly respected and accomplished lawyer, was removed at break after questioning Ford. Why? Two reasons. 1) She was unable to undermine her story, and 2) was making Ford a sympathetic witness.

Yet we all have our own take on how these proceedings went. Please give your reasons and explanations about your opinion.
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy ... (show quote)


U would have gone down the gutter if U were being lied about. U can't defend yourself. So sad. The b***h had no corroboration, none! Your assumptions are completely erroneous. I hope U get pulled over and given a ticket for speeding @ 40 mph over the speed limit. U are fined $400. But, U aren't guilty. How do U prove your innocence? U can't. The Cop wins every time. The cop has standing with the court; u do not. Guilty, Guilty. It's the same if U are charged with rape. She has a friend that says U raped the woman. How do U defend yourself? According to your logic. U should be convicted and spend 10 years in prison.

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Sep 27, 2018 20:59:53   #
Liberty Tree
 
rumitoid wrote:
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy theories, like Kavanaugh did, as a defense against his accuser, instead of just sticking to his word about what happened, puts his word on shaky and suspicious ground. Then apparently pandering to Trump, making comments about the reason for this conspiracy as "revenge for Clinton." Plus, he lied before the committee today under oath, as he did in the past, misrepresenting facts. What facts? He said that two of the three witnesses said it never happened. That is patently false. They said they did not remember the incident--which is entirely different than the exonerating statement "it did not happen." Bigly different! And his unhinged rant about the above mentioned conspiracy theories was not very judge-like. If he were a woman, the Republicans would have said he was "hysterical." Definite temperament issue.

The "female assistant" (as Mitchell called her) Rachel Mitchell (no relation), a highly respected and accomplished lawyer, was removed at break after questioning Ford. Why? Two reasons. 1) She was unable to undermine her story, and 2) was making Ford a sympathetic witness.

Yet we all have our own take on how these proceedings went. Please give your reasons and explanations about your opinion.
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy ... (show quote)


Ford came across as rehearsed and has no supporting evidence. while Kavanaugh was genuine. Mitchell was removed because she was incompetent. That is the opinion of Alan dertchowitz who is no conservative.

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Sep 27, 2018 21:16:55   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
It is almost impossible to prove that something did not happen. The Judge brought his calendars, had a letter signed by 60 people who he had known during high school saying that he is honorable and was not the person Ford was talking about. None of that seem to matter.
What mattered is Ford's crying and shaking on cue. She was very well rehearsed
Being a psychologist, she would know the right body language and the way to answer all the questions..... it was almost as if she had a copy of the questions and a stop watch... her responses were spot on. Almost inhumanly spot on for questions she could not anticipate. What a show. No delays to most.... and the media ate it up.

Now the Judge, he was pissed! My opinion, he had a right to be angry. Ford and the Democrats have ruined his life. So wrong in so many ways! But, this was a trial, even though the Democrats call it a job interview, it was a trail and the democrats had already determined he was guilty. I was expecting for them to bring out the hangman's nose. I felt sorry for him...but I watched the faces of his wife and mother.... nothing but horror at what they were hearing. Poor guy.

Comment wrote:
U would have gone down the gutter if U were being lied about. U can't defend yourself. So sad. The b***h had no corroboration, none! Your assumptions are completely erroneous. I hope U get pulled over and given a ticket for speeding @ 40 mph over the speed limit. U are fined $400. But, U aren't guilty. How do U prove your innocence? U can't. The Cop wins every time. The cop has standing with the court; u do not. Guilty, Guilty. It's the same if U are charged with rape. She has a friend that says U raped the woman. How do U defend yourself? According to your logic. U should be convicted and spend 10 years in prison.
U would have gone down the gutter if U were being ... (show quote)

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Sep 27, 2018 21:25:33   #
Airforceone
 
Comment wrote:
U would have gone down the gutter if U were being lied about. U can't defend yourself. So sad. The b***h had no corroboration, none! Your assumptions are completely erroneous. I hope U get pulled over and given a ticket for speeding @ 40 mph over the speed limit. U are fined $400. But, U aren't guilty. How do U prove your innocence? U can't. The Cop wins every time. The cop has standing with the court; u do not. Guilty, Guilty. It's the same if U are charged with rape. She has a friend that says U raped the woman. How do U defend yourself? According to your logic. U should be convicted and spend 10 years in prison.
U would have gone down the gutter if U were being ... (show quote)


She had plenty of corroboration what hearing were you watching. She gave names and affidavits. She also agreed to testify under oath with the FBI. Unlike Kavanaugh he would not answer a simple question would you be open to an FBI investigation. His answer was I will do wh**ever the committee wants. And we know the committee will not order an FBI investigation. (WHY) what are they hiding.

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Sep 27, 2018 21:49:11   #
Kevyn
 
rumitoid wrote:
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy theories, like Kavanaugh did, as a defense against his accuser, instead of just sticking to his word about what happened, puts his word on shaky and suspicious ground. Then apparently pandering to Trump, making comments about the reason for this conspiracy as "revenge for Clinton." Plus, he lied before the committee today under oath, as he did in the past, misrepresenting facts. What facts? He said that two of the three witnesses said it never happened. That is patently false. They said they did not remember the incident--which is entirely different than the exonerating statement "it did not happen." Bigly different! And his unhinged rant about the above mentioned conspiracy theories was not very judge-like. If he were a woman, the Republicans would have said he was "hysterical." Definite temperament issue.

The "female assistant" (as Mitch McConnell called her) Rachel Mitchell, a highly respected and accomplished lawyer, was removed at break after questioning Ford. Why? Two reasons. 1) She was unable to undermine her story, and 2) was making Ford a sympathetic witness.

Yet we all have our own take on how these proceedings went. Please give your reasons and explanations about your opinion.
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy ... (show quote)
Ford was a believable victim, while Kavanaugh spewed talking points like a mobster on trial.

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Sep 27, 2018 21:50:41   #
rumitoid
 
Kevyn wrote:
Ford was a believable victim, while Kavanaugh spewed talking points like a mobster on trial.


Exactly.

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Sep 27, 2018 21:51:36   #
rumitoid
 
byronglimish wrote:
Ford is a weirdo! It's another Prog-t*****r witch hunt, because the pro-a******n people are terrified that the murdering of defenseless unborn humans might be in jeopardy .


No and yes.

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Sep 27, 2018 22:04:13   #
rumitoid
 
Pennylynn wrote:
It is almost impossible to prove that something did not happen. The Judge brought his calendars, had a letter signed by 60 people who he had known during high school saying that he is honorable and was not the person Ford was talking about. None of that seem to matter.
What mattered is Ford's crying and shaking on cue. She was very well rehearsed
Being a psychologist, she would know the right body language and the way to answer all the questions..... it was almost as if she had a copy of the questions and a stop watch... her responses were spot on. Almost inhumanly spot on for questions she could not anticipate. What a show. No delays to most.... and the media ate it up.

Now the Judge, he was pissed! My opinion, he had a right to be angry. Ford and the Democrats have ruined his life. So wrong in so many ways! But, this was a trial, even though the Democrats call it a job interview, it was a trail and the democrats had already determined he was guilty. I was expecting for them to bring out the hangman's nose. I felt sorry for him...but I watched the faces of his wife and mother.... nothing but horror at what they were hearing. Poor guy.
It is almost impossible to prove that something di... (show quote)


Well, one's responses could be spot on because they are honest. That a person responds as an innocent and t***hful person would respond can only mean to you that it was "on cue," how do you discern when it isn't? And you forget there are other accusers and many of his friends have walked back their support for Kavanaugh, saying the FBI should investigate.

What is really telling is when Ford was questioned about her friend Leland Keyser. Ford never took that opportunity to mention that Keyser had called to apologize for her attorney misrepresenting her out of concern for her health. She simply expressed her wishes her friend's health improved. Kavanaugh's repeated and strongest defense was that Keyser said she had no recollection of the event or knew him. But that is not her words. She does recall the event and knew Kavanaugh.

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Sep 27, 2018 22:04:34   #
okie don
 
She couldn't say when or where the attack occurred. She spoke to one of the wrong doers at the grocery a month later. Why? She should have started yelling! Lies all. IMHO

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Sep 27, 2018 22:04:59   #
rumitoid
 
Airforceone wrote:
She had plenty of corroboration what hearing were you watching. She gave names and affidavits. She also agreed to testify under oath with the FBI. Unlike Kavanaugh he would not answer a simple question would you be open to an FBI investigation. His answer was I will do wh**ever the committee wants. And we know the committee will not order an FBI investigation. (WHY) what are they hiding.


Exactly! Easy to see who was telling the t***h.

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Sep 27, 2018 22:15:57   #
Mikeyavelli
 
The most important revelation was that Ford had hired clinton's lawyers a month before this was even mentioned.
Feinstein was squirming through the entire process. Ford was chosen, paid, and rehearsed. Feinstein was nailed by her colleagues, Ford was not nailed by Kavanaugh.

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Sep 27, 2018 22:17:06   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy theories, like Kavanaugh did, as a defense against his accuser, instead of just sticking to his word about what happened, puts his word on shaky and suspicious ground. Then apparently pandering to Trump, making comments about the reason for this conspiracy as "revenge for Clinton." Plus, he lied before the committee today under oath, as he did in the past, misrepresenting facts. What facts? He said that two of the three witnesses said it never happened. That is patently false. They said they did not remember the incident--which is entirely different than the exonerating statement "it did not happen." Bigly different! And his unhinged rant about the above mentioned conspiracy theories was not very judge-like. If he were a woman, the Republicans would have said he was "hysterical." Definite temperament issue.

The "female assistant" (as Mitch McConnell called her) Rachel Mitchell, a highly respected and accomplished lawyer, was removed at break after questioning Ford. Why? Two reasons. 1) She was unable to undermine her story, and 2) was making Ford a sympathetic witness.

Yet we all have our own take on how these proceedings went. Please give your reasons and explanations about your opinion.
For me, someone who promotes unfounded conspiracy ... (show quote)


I listened to, I did not watch, much of Ford's testimony today. At the outset, I was expecting to hear a 51 year old university professor and mother of two children. I was expecting to hear the voice of a mature woman who would speak with the authority and confidence of a teacher and psychological counselor. Instead I heard what sounded like a timid, fearful 14 year old girl who was uncertain, confused, and clearly unable to answer many direct questions. How she managed to color her responses with teenage "up-speak" inflections is anyone's guess.

Ford brought nothing new to her testimony, introduced no evidence, such as a "blue dress", she could not produce any corroborating witnesses, she admitted that others told her to leak her story to the Washington Post and the NYT, and she admitted that someone paid for her polygraph test but she didn't know who.

When Ford mentioned an FBI investigation, the woman prosecutor asked Ford if she had thought about what would happen if the FBI found exculpatory evidence. Ford didn't know what "exculpatory" meant. Uh oh! So much for higher education.

I became so disgusted with this woman's charade, I shut of the audio feed.

This is a man outraged, this is an angry man passionate in his defense of himself and his family, this is a man who has been politically raped, This is NOT a man who is pushing conspiracy theories, this is NOT a man misrepresenting facts.

Judge Kavanaugh Opening Statement

I h**e to say it, Rummy, but your fallacious, politically biased, and h**eful opinion of Judge Kavanaugh reveals a cold, cold heart, it reveals a man with the conscience of a swamp slug. When h**e is in your heart, guard well what comes out of your mouth, bub, it can come back and bite you.

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Sep 27, 2018 22:38:39   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
Pennylynn wrote:
It is almost impossible to prove that something did not happen. The Judge brought his calendars, had a letter signed by 60 people who he had known during high school saying that he is honorable and was not the person Ford was talking about. None of that seem to matter.
What mattered is Ford's crying and shaking on cue. She was very well rehearsed
Being a psychologist, she would know the right body language and the way to answer all the questions..... it was almost as if she had a copy of the questions and a stop watch... her responses were spot on. Almost inhumanly spot on for questions she could not anticipate. What a show. No delays to most.... and the media ate it up.

Now the Judge, he was pissed! My opinion, he had a right to be angry. Ford and the Democrats have ruined his life. So wrong in so many ways! But, this was a trial, even though the Democrats call it a job interview, it was a trail and the democrats had already determined he was guilty. I was expecting for them to bring out the hangman's nose. I felt sorry for him...but I watched the faces of his wife and mother.... nothing but horror at what they were hearing. Poor guy.
It is almost impossible to prove that something di... (show quote)


You can't talk to these guys Penny
We'll just wait for them on the banks of the
Red Tsunami
MAGA BABY..

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