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Sep 28, 2018 14:24:09   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I hope you realize that we are very much on the same wavelength. You & I shudder at the words progressive or liberal because we have thought it through but with the general public there is no such reaction, usually.

Take care & you are one of the people on OPP I look forward to hearing from and you're part of the group that has responded to this article.


Thanks CL. I see no signs of craziness, but artful thinking.

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Sep 28, 2018 15:13:04   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Manning345 wrote:
Thanks CL. I see no signs of craziness, but artful thinking.



Thank Manning 345. I'll bore you with the details of the screen name.

I went to NYU, one of the most radical schools in the country. They told me I was a lunatic for my views so when it came to an internet screen name, I figured I might as well accept that I'm a lunatic, hence the screen name.

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Sep 28, 2018 18:01:51   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Thank Manning 345. I'll bore you with the details of the screen name.

I went to NYU, one of the most radical schools in the country. They told me I was a lunatic for my views so when it came to an internet screen name, I figured I might as well accept that I'm a lunatic, hence the screen name.


Ah! Now I understand. Either a Libertarian or a Conservative in that school would be characterized as a lunatic. I just might be CrazyM at that! Nice to meet another crazy!

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Sep 29, 2018 05:48:10   #
son of witless
 
Manning345 wrote:
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A workmanlike destruction of the socialist idea.

One minor comment associated with the following paragraph:
"I’d never really thought any sanitization was necessary because I’d never perceived any aura of evil such as that attached to f*****t, n**i, c*******t, etc. & there certainly wasn’t any associated with the words liberal and progressive which have always conjured up a higher purpose."

If you believe that C*******m conjures up a higher purpose you should be aware that after the 30s the C*******ts were increasingly held in contempt in the US. so the deliberately changed their name to Progressive, and I daresay many in the Democratic Party that call themselves Progressives are actually C*******ts. This was developed and illustrated by Irving Kristol in his book "Neo-Conservatism", a former C*******t himself. Higher purpose? Not so much!
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Sep 29, 2018 14:03:33   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
No one has confronted any American with the bloody history of socialism in the twentieth century, the bloodiest century ever. No one has asked this most crucial question; what type of socialism do you espouse, national socialism, soviet socialism or some other kind?


Excellent post. Just one disagreement, in reference to the part quoted above. Actually the l*****ts have made a distinction between the old, yucky, messy, murdering socialism/c*******m (of the USSR, China, Cuba, Cambodia, and everywhere else it's been tried and failed) and the new, shiny, neat, murdering Democratic Socialism they now support.

What you fail to comprehend is that this new Democratic Socialism, which has all the features of the old national socialism, and soviet socialism, will work this time because it's name has the word Democratic in it.

Maybe this graphic showing the difference will help:



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Sep 29, 2018 20:22:43   #
son of witless
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Excellent post. Just one disagreement, in reference to the part quoted above. Actually the l*****ts have made a distinction between the old, yucky, messy, murdering socialism/c*******m (of the USSR, China, Cuba, Cambodia, and everywhere else it's been tried and failed) and the new, shiny, neat, murdering Democratic Socialism they now support.

What you fail to comprehend is that this new Democratic Socialism, which has all the features of the old national socialism, and soviet socialism, will work this time because it's name has the word Democratic in it.

Maybe this graphic showing the difference will help:
Excellent post. Just one disagreement, in referenc... (show quote)


We can point to the Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela, and many other Socialist failures and they will point to Scandinavia as success stories. Yet those Scandinavian countries themselves point out that they are more capitalistic than socialist.

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Sep 30, 2018 00:53:45   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
son of witless wrote:
We can point to the Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela, and many other Socialist failures and they will point to Scandinavia as success stories. Yet those Scandinavian countries themselves point out that they are more capitalistic than socialist.


And, with the influx of refugees, their welfare states are crumbling while the violent crime rate soars.

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Sep 30, 2018 09:31:41   #
son of witless
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
And, with the influx of refugees, their welfare states are crumbling while the violent crime rate soars.


Facts have no bearing when you are committed to your cause and when you are crazy enough to be committed.

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Sep 30, 2018 13:16:52   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
son of witless wrote:
Facts have no bearing when you are committed to your cause and when you are crazy enough to be committed.


Nor do morals, ethics or honesty.

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Sep 30, 2018 13:20:53   #
son of witless
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Nor do morals, ethics or honesty.


Morals serve no useful purpose when you are at war and they are at war. In war you lie to your enemies, and friends if you have to.

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Sep 30, 2018 13:27:26   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
son of witless wrote:
Morals serve no useful purpose when you are at war and they are at war. In war you lie to your enemies, and friends if you have to.


That's true.

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Sep 30, 2018 13:34:57   #
son of witless
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
That's true.


We who have ethics are the problem. We have not learned to deal with psychopaths.

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Sep 30, 2018 14:21:19   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
son of witless wrote:
We who have ethics are the problem. We have not learned to deal with psychopaths.


This is quite true. We don't even recognize psychopathic behavior when we see it in real life, on TV, or in the papers. Their behavior registers as sort of annoying and not applicable in one's own sphere, but somewhere else far away like San Francisco. The closer to home it gets, however, the sharper our reactions. We have a very large country!

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Sep 30, 2018 14:41:32   #
son of witless
 
Manning345 wrote:
This is quite true. We don't even recognize psychopathic behavior when we see it in real life, on TV, or in the papers. Their behavior registers as sort of annoying and not applicable in one's own sphere, but somewhere else far away like San Francisco. The closer to home it gets, however, the sharper our reactions. We have a very large country!


Psychopaths have no empathy or conscience towards others.

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Sep 30, 2018 15:53:14   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
son of witless wrote:
Psychopaths have no empathy or conscience towards others.


That is also true, but they are good at faking it. In fact, that's what Democrats DO.

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