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Analysis: Trump ordered the government to declassify information he apparently hasn’t read
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Sep 20, 2018 04:46:26   #
moldyoldy
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Media Matters is a George Soros operation, an enemy of the United States. You're one of the fools who can't see the forest for the trees. There is a liberal progressive mutiny going on in the Executive Branch and in congress, bub, it is real and it is dangerous. Wake the fk up.

It isn't necessary for President Trump to read all that classified information, all he needs to know is that it exists.

Trump throws bombshell into Russia investigation, orders release of controversial surveillance documents and Comey texts

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They played this game with Nunes and the memos , same info. Now i***t trump wants to unredact the papers so Russia can figure out who has been talking

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Sep 20, 2018 05:22:08   #
wolffy
 
Now it sounds like the dems are really scared! Piglousie and summer wrote a letter demanding the doj not release the warrant!

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Sep 20, 2018 08:33:20   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Lonewolf wrote:
We got a nothing burger on the way, trumps acting more like Nixon every day.
The big difference between Trump and Nixon is trumps in a lot more trouble !



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Sep 20, 2018 08:52:47   #
Idaho
 
moldyoldy wrote:
It wasn’t a surprise when the White House announced Monday that it was ordering the Justice Department to declassify a set of material related to the genesis of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 e******n. For weeks, President Trump’s allies on Fox News and in the House had been echoing each other’s calls to do precisely that.

Media Matters even made a compilation of those requests.
So on Monday, that very specific order from Trump: Declassify precisely those pages of the application for a warrant to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page that were mentioned in a news conference held by 12 staunchly Trump-loyal members of the House in September. What’s more, Trump ordered the department to declassify text messages involving a number of names familiar to the Fox News audience. Former FBI agent Peter Strzok, Justice Department official Bruce Ohr and so on.
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Those elected officials and the Fox News hosts who echoed their demand insisted that the declassifications would demonstrate anti-Trump rot in the Justice Department. Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) promised that revelation would help Republicans win in November.
It’s odd, though, that Fox News’s Sean Hannity or Lou Dobbs would call for the revelation of classified material, given that neither has security clearance allowing them to know what was actually contained in the documents. They, it seems, were relying on the analysis of people like Nunes and Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Mark Meadows (R-N.C.). They were calling for something to be declassified just assuming that it was what was promised.
Trump, of course, does have clearance and could know precisely what he was ordering be exposed to the public. But in an interview with the Hill, Trump revealed that he, too, hadn’t read the material.
“I have not reviewed them,” he said in response to a question about whether he had reviewed “the memos.” It’s not clear how he interpreted that question, but the Hill’s report classifies Trump’s response as addressing “declassifying documents.”
“I have been asked by many people in Congress as you know to release them,” Trump continued. “I have watched commentators that I respect begging the president of the United States to release them. . . . I have had many people ask me to release them. Not that I didn’t like the idea, but I wanted to wait. I wanted to see what, you know, where it was all going. And I think this whole, it’s a h**x. You know Gregg Jarrett wrote a book called the Russian H**x. It actually is a h**x. I call it a witch hunt, but it’s a h**x. Beyond a witch hunt.”
“I have been asked by so many people that I respect,” he added later, “'Please' — the great Lou Dobbs, the great Sean Hannity, the wonderful great Jeanie Pirro.” All three are Fox News or Fox Business Network hosts. Pirro, Trump said, “takes it so personally” because this is “one of the great scandals in the history of our country.”
Trump is known not to be an avid reader of prepared material. His intelligence briefings are presented orally; he eschews written reports. Those reports that he is given often rely on large graphical elements. Trump will also frequently praise books that he almost certainly hasn’t read, given that many of them haven’t been released publicly prior to his promotion of them.
Shortly before the e******n, The Post explored how a president who doesn’t read much would approach the job. He told our Marc Fisher that he has no time to read.
“I never have. I’m always busy doing a lot,” he said in July 2016. “Now I’m more busy, I guess, than ever before.”

While Trump may not read much, he certainly makes time for watching cable news broadcasts. He has in the past insisted that he “[doesn’t] get to watch much television. Primarily because of documents. I’m reading documents.” That claim is regularly undercut by his tweets that sync with Fox News programming.
Trump could certainly have been briefed by his House allies or staff on the contents of the redacted portions of the Page surveillance warrant application and the text messages. But the presentations from his allies on the Hill might be taken with a grain of salt. When Nunes promoted a memo prepared by his staff summarizing ways in which the Page warrant application was riddled with bias, analysis of the memo after its public release suggested that he’d overplayed the significance of his finding rather severely.
Nunes also admitted that he hadn’t actually read the warrant application.
Note, though, that Trump also didn’t indicate that his staff had briefed him and he’d reached the determination that the declassification made sense. He cites only the advice of people in Congress and, by name, several Fox News hosts.
What’s contained in those classified materials is still unknown to the public, of course. Before it’s released, the Justice Department will push for redactions of sensitive information, perhaps encompassing a large percentage of what Trump wants to see made public. But this, really, would serve the ultimate goal of Trump and his allies on TV and in Congress. As long as something’s redacted, they can promote the idea that what’s hidden proves their point.
That bit of sleight-of-hand might have convinced Trump himself.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-trump-ordered-the-government-to-declassify-information-he-apparently-hasn’t-read/ar-BBNzEDG?ocid=spartandhp
It wasn’t a surprise when the White House announce... (show quote)


Oh I don’t think that’s the game. This will not be a battle of inuendo - there will be plenty of material genuinely hole the Dems ship below waterline.

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Sep 20, 2018 08:55:03   #
Idaho
 
You bet!



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Sep 20, 2018 13:00:14   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Idaho wrote:
Oh I don’t think that’s the game. This will not be a battle of inuendo - there will be plenty of material genuinely hole the Dems ship below waterline.


Trump is deadly serious and so are we. These fkrs threatened every single one of us with their ill planned attempt to frame Trump for the KKKK's (Klinton Krime & Korruption Kabal) sins and go on with business as usual...which is worthy of its own thread.

Q called it a "trilogy" and this is the first few minutes of movie 1. That's got me wondering.

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Sep 20, 2018 17:32:04   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
moldyoldy wrote:
It wasn’t a surprise when the White House announced Monday that it was ordering the Justice Department to declassify a set of material related to the genesis of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 e******n. For weeks, President Trump’s allies on Fox News and in the House had been echoing each other’s calls to do precisely that.

Media Matters even made a compilation of those requests.
So on Monday, that very specific order from Trump: Declassify precisely those pages of the application for a warrant to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page that were mentioned in a news conference held by 12 staunchly Trump-loyal members of the House in September. What’s more, Trump ordered the department to declassify text messages involving a number of names familiar to the Fox News audience. Former FBI agent Peter Strzok, Justice Department official Bruce Ohr and so on.
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Those elected officials and the Fox News hosts who echoed their demand insisted that the declassifications would demonstrate anti-Trump rot in the Justice Department. Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) promised that revelation would help Republicans win in November.
It’s odd, though, that Fox News’s Sean Hannity or Lou Dobbs would call for the revelation of classified material, given that neither has security clearance allowing them to know what was actually contained in the documents. They, it seems, were relying on the analysis of people like Nunes and Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Mark Meadows (R-N.C.). They were calling for something to be declassified just assuming that it was what was promised.
Trump, of course, does have clearance and could know precisely what he was ordering be exposed to the public. But in an interview with the Hill, Trump revealed that he, too, hadn’t read the material.
“I have not reviewed them,” he said in response to a question about whether he had reviewed “the memos.” It’s not clear how he interpreted that question, but the Hill’s report classifies Trump’s response as addressing “declassifying documents.”
“I have been asked by many people in Congress as you know to release them,” Trump continued. “I have watched commentators that I respect begging the president of the United States to release them. . . . I have had many people ask me to release them. Not that I didn’t like the idea, but I wanted to wait. I wanted to see what, you know, where it was all going. And I think this whole, it’s a h**x. You know Gregg Jarrett wrote a book called the Russian H**x. It actually is a h**x. I call it a witch hunt, but it’s a h**x. Beyond a witch hunt.”
“I have been asked by so many people that I respect,” he added later, “'Please' — the great Lou Dobbs, the great Sean Hannity, the wonderful great Jeanie Pirro.” All three are Fox News or Fox Business Network hosts. Pirro, Trump said, “takes it so personally” because this is “one of the great scandals in the history of our country.”
Trump is known not to be an avid reader of prepared material. His intelligence briefings are presented orally; he eschews written reports. Those reports that he is given often rely on large graphical elements. Trump will also frequently praise books that he almost certainly hasn’t read, given that many of them haven’t been released publicly prior to his promotion of them.
Shortly before the e******n, The Post explored how a president who doesn’t read much would approach the job. He told our Marc Fisher that he has no time to read.
“I never have. I’m always busy doing a lot,” he said in July 2016. “Now I’m more busy, I guess, than ever before.”

While Trump may not read much, he certainly makes time for watching cable news broadcasts. He has in the past insisted that he “[doesn’t] get to watch much television. Primarily because of documents. I’m reading documents.” That claim is regularly undercut by his tweets that sync with Fox News programming.
Trump could certainly have been briefed by his House allies or staff on the contents of the redacted portions of the Page surveillance warrant application and the text messages. But the presentations from his allies on the Hill might be taken with a grain of salt. When Nunes promoted a memo prepared by his staff summarizing ways in which the Page warrant application was riddled with bias, analysis of the memo after its public release suggested that he’d overplayed the significance of his finding rather severely.
Nunes also admitted that he hadn’t actually read the warrant application.
Note, though, that Trump also didn’t indicate that his staff had briefed him and he’d reached the determination that the declassification made sense. He cites only the advice of people in Congress and, by name, several Fox News hosts.
What’s contained in those classified materials is still unknown to the public, of course. Before it’s released, the Justice Department will push for redactions of sensitive information, perhaps encompassing a large percentage of what Trump wants to see made public. But this, really, would serve the ultimate goal of Trump and his allies on TV and in Congress. As long as something’s redacted, they can promote the idea that what’s hidden proves their point.
That bit of sleight-of-hand might have convinced Trump himself.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-trump-ordered-the-government-to-declassify-information-he-apparently-hasn’t-read/ar-BBNzEDG?ocid=spartandhp
It wasn’t a surprise when the White House announce... (show quote)


What I've heard is that Democrat law makers are screaming foul because they do not want documents released.

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Sep 20, 2018 18:30:53   #
moldyoldy
 
padremike wrote:
What I've heard is that Democrat law makers are screaming foul because they do not want documents released.


The same info has been released, now you want it unredacted and the chief Russian intel officers papers released. Who does this help, Putin.

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Sep 20, 2018 19:47:38   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The same info has been released, now you want it unredacted and the chief Russian intel officers papers released. Who does this help, Putin.


You people are doing Putin's work. He could never have disrupted the e******n process as much as you progressives and your hysterical mob after being lied to that Trump and Putin colluded. I imagine Putin is laughing himself silly.

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Sep 20, 2018 20:59:32   #
moldyoldy
 
padremike wrote:
You people are doing Putin's work. He could never have disrupted the e******n process as much as you progressives and your hysterical mob after being lied to that Trump and Putin colluded. I imagine Putin is laughing himself silly.


I know you do not want to know the real story, but here it is.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-plot-to-subvert-an-e******n-unraveling-the-russia-story-so-far/ar-AAAo3i3?ocid=spartanntp

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Sep 21, 2018 00:57:04   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The same info has been released,


What same info...specifically has been released?

Don't kid yourself moldy. The jig is up...hence the noise.

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now you want it unredacted and the chief Russian intel officers papers released.


Ya...we've been saying that all along.

Your dumb-ass leaders said the same thing at first...they even said the redacted stuff would implicate Trump further; for a week. Then they realized, "S**t! We don't want him to actually DO it!"...as they're proving. Too bad, so sad.

Besides, the media has HAD the unredacted FISA application since James Wolfe, aide to the Senate intelligence Committee, leaked all 82 pages to his BuzzFeed girlfriend. The guy is under indictment now! Do you get it? That is ALL classified info and some Senator who didn't want his fingerprints on it gave it to Wolfe. Know how I know?

In the FISA application you refer to only 4 pages were unredacted. In the 78 redacted pages was a funny error...an unredacted date stamp. [I]The date was wrong. They gave someone a copy of the same thing everyone else got with one tiiiny wrong detail. That's how they catch leakers. They know who's a t*****r in the Senate Intelligence Committee. We'll know before long. There are 27 active leak investigations going on. Don't think this won't go anywhere.

Trump will see another 22 full pages of the FISA application unredacted and all Comey, Strzok, Page, McCabe, Ohr etc emails detailing the juicy details of how they engineered all this stuff.

We want everyone to know how all this s**t began. Then we're gonna find out who and why to the last fking detail. You have no idea. This isn't even the tip of the iceberg. This is the first few minutes of a full length trilogy. It should end around mid-term time. Watch what I say come true. One would think after all this time you might consider what I'm saying.

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Who does this help, Putin.


Of course not! It helps US. It's what we've wanted and you haven't seen a thing yet. Woe to the Establishment, Republican and Democrat! Their sins have turned back on them and now they're caught. They were given an opportunity to resign, not run etc. and many took it. Many still can't believe what has happened.

Your friends actually needed to win and you're going to find out why as stuff gets released.

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Sep 21, 2018 01:11:00   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 


"Police never identified who had hung the banners, but there were clues. The earliest promoters of the images on Twitter were American-sounding accounts, including @LeroyLovesUSA, later exposed as Russian f**es operated from St. Petersburg to influence American v**ers.

The Kremlin, it appeared, had reached onto United States soil in New York and Washington. The banners may well have been intended as visual victory laps for the most effective foreign interference in an American e******n in history..."


Note the bold qualifiers...you'll know it's me

"What Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel in charge of the investigation, may know or may yet discover is still uncertain.

President Trump’s Twitter outbursts that it is all a “h**x” and a “witch hunt,” in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary, have taken a toll on public comprehension (not hardly...we comprehend just fine. Bring on the goddam evidence already)."

Just an tiny of the qualifier laden garbage you hope to bring down Trump with.

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Sep 21, 2018 04:01:18   #
Idaho
 
The hit piece you posted makes this logic > Hillary was supposed to win > Russia tried to disrupt our e******n > Hillary didn’t win > ergo Russian intervention was intended and was designed to help Trump.

I am aware that schools haven’t taught classical ‘logic’ as a subject for 20 years or more, but your reasoning is not logical.

Putin didn’t care who won, he probably favoured Hillary because he could game her some more, like the U1 deal, but his game is to weaken his enemy. His goal was payback for the US meddling in many e******ns worldwide that disrupt other countries and plans he had. There is plenty of evidence that Russian interference acted against both candidates. The goal was simply to cause a loss of faith in the v****g system and the political system. Given that Russian social media attempts were pretty wimpy actually, that effort has been wildly successful - the country has never been so distrustful of the political system as now.

The second thread here is that Putin wants a strong Russia, he doesn’t want the success of a New World Order run by the bankster families. So given the chance to kick them in the ghoulies and weaken them a bit, he’ll take it - regardless of what that does to US politics. Any common cause he has made with Trump since the e******n will be rooted in that line of thinking, not for Trump’s sake.

At this juncture, Russia’s goals align more with the goals of the patriots, which makes Russia a perfect boogeyman for scaring the lefty base.

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Sep 21, 2018 09:00:46   #
kemmer
 
byronglimish wrote:
A herd of prog boneheads haven't read them and are too cowardice to know what really happened.

I see Trump has just yanked $240 million from cancer and AIDS research to pay for his immigrant children’s prison cages.

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Sep 21, 2018 09:06:27   #
kemmer
 
Idaho wrote:
The hit piece you posted makes this logic > Hillary was supposed to win > Russia tried to disrupt our e******n > Hillary didn’t win > ergo Russian intervention was intended and was designed to help Trump.

I am aware that schools haven’t taught classical ‘logic’ as a subject for 20 years or more, but your reasoning is not logical.

Putin didn’t care who won, he probably favoured Hillary because he could game her some more, like the U1 deal, but his game is to weaken his enemy. His goal was payback for the US meddling in many e******ns worldwide that disrupt other countries and plans he had. There is plenty of evidence that Russian interference acted against both candidates. The goal was simply to cause a loss of faith in the v****g system and the political system. Given that Russian social media attempts were pretty wimpy actually, that effort has been wildly successful - the country has never been so distrustful of the political system as now.

The second thread here is that Putin wants a strong Russia, he doesn’t want the success of a New World Order run by the bankster families. So given the chance to kick them in the ghoulies and weaken them a bit, he’ll take it - regardless of what that does to US politics. Any common cause he has made with Trump since the e******n will be rooted in that line of thinking, not for Trump’s sake.

At this juncture, Russia’s goals align more with the goals of the patriots, which makes Russia a perfect boogeyman for scaring the lefty base.
The hit piece you posted makes this logic > Hil... (show quote)

Putin h**es Hillary b/c she called his e******n r****d. Putin wanted Trump to win b/c Trump’s a fool and Putin has a pile of dirt on him.

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