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Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

padremike wrote:

Someday soon Nick, you can ask these question and get the answers that escape you, but then it will be too late. It's a choice you're not to be denied.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Bad Bob wrote:

Bob, he who laughs.....lasts!

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

padremike wrote:

Bob, he who laughs.....lasts!

Padre why do you think there are so many Priest p*******es?

Nickolai

Blade_Runner wrote:

The earth is 4.5 billion years old, Nik, there were no humans four billion years ago. What the hell are you thinking? Please explain the evolutionary process by which humans were "instilled" with knowledge of right and wrong. Good grief, man, that idea is so far-fetched that only a science fiction writer could do it justice.

Take a couple weeks to study this: Scientific evidence against evolution - the clash between theory and reality There is more than enough scientific data and info there that even someone with a basic science background will struggle with it. For someone who believes evolution theories, it would be a formidable challenge, but here's a head start for you:

"Evolution" mixes two things together, one real, one imaginary. People are shown the real part, which makes them ready to believe the imaginary part. That is how the idea of biological evolution has spread since 1859. Variation (microevolution) is the real part. The types of bird beaks, the colors of moths, leg sizes, etc. are variation. Each type and length of beak a finch can have is already in the gene pool and adaptive mechanisms of finches. Creationists have always agreed that there is variation within species. What evolutionists do not want you to know is that there are strict limits to variation that are never crossed, something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of. Whenever variation is pushed to extremes by selective breeding (to get the most milk from cows, sugar from beets, bristles on fruit flies, or any other characteristic), the line becomes sterile and dies out. And as one characteristic increases, others diminish. But evolutionists want you to believe that changes continue, merging gradually into new kinds of creatures. This is where the imaginary part of the theory of evolution comes in. It says that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural se******n to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few.

Just to be clear, evolution theory puts no limit on what mutation/natural se******n can invent, saying that everything in nature was invented by it - everything:

sex, eye-hand coordination, balance, navigation systems, tongues, blood, antennae, waste removal systems, swallowing, joints, lubrication, pumps, valves, autofocus, image stabilization, sensors, camouf**ge, traps, ceramic teeth, light (bioluminescence), ears, tears, eyes, hands, fingernails, cartilage, bones, spinal columns, spinal cords, muscles, ligaments, tendons, livers, kidneys, thyroid glands, lungs, stomachs, vocal cords, saliva, skin, fat, lymph, body plans, growth from egg to adult, nurturing babies, aging, breathing, heartbeat, hair, hibernation, bee dancing, insect queens, spiderwebs, feathers, seashells, scales, fins, tails, legs, feet, claws, wings, beaver dams, termite mounds, bird nests, coloration, markings, decision making, speech center of the brain, visual center of the brain, hearing center of the brain, language comprehension center of the brain, sensory center of the brain, memory, creative center of the brain, object-naming center of the brain, emotional center of the brain, movement centers of the brain, center of the brain for smelling, i****e s****ms, circulatory systems, digestive systems, endocrine systems, regulatory systems, genes, gene regulatory networks, proteins, ribosomes that assemble proteins, receptors for proteins on cells, apoptosis, hormones, neurot***smitters, circadian clocks, jet propulsion, etc. Everything in nature - according to evolution theory. Just to be clear.

The invention of new parts or systems by mutation has never been witnessed, nor has it been accomplished in a biochemistry laboratory. As Franklin Harold, retired professor of biochemistry and molecular biology at Colorado State University, wrote in his 2001 book "The Way of the Cell" published by Oxford University Press, "There are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biological or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations." Evolutionists often say "it evolved", but no one lists all the molecular steps because no one knows what they could be.

The earth is 4.5 billion years old, Nik, there wer... (show quote)

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The origin of life the latest evidence

PeterS

Kazudy wrote:

Where did the gas come from, and the other non heavy stuff?

You are making an argument from ignorance. Not knowing how something is made doesn't mean that a god MUST have made it.

PeterS

Blade_Runner wrote:

The earth is 4.5 billion years old, Nik, there were no humans four billion years ago. What the hell are you thinking? Please explain the evolutionary process by which humans were "instilled" with knowledge of right and wrong. Good grief, man, that idea is so far-fetched that only a science fiction writer could do it justice.

Take a couple weeks to study this: Scientific evidence against evolution - the clash between theory and reality There is more than enough scientific data and info there that even someone with a basic science background will struggle with it. For someone who believes evolution theories, it would be a formidable challenge, but here's a head start for you:

"Evolution" mixes two things together, one real, one imaginary. People are shown the real part, which makes them ready to believe the imaginary part. That is how the idea of biological evolution has spread since 1859. Variation (microevolution) is the real part. The types of bird beaks, the colors of moths, leg sizes, etc. are variation. Each type and length of beak a finch can have is already in the gene pool and adaptive mechanisms of finches. Creationists have always agreed that there is variation within species. What evolutionists do not want you to know is that there are strict limits to variation that are never crossed, something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of. Whenever variation is pushed to extremes by selective breeding (to get the most milk from cows, sugar from beets, bristles on fruit flies, or any other characteristic), the line becomes sterile and dies out. And as one characteristic increases, others diminish. But evolutionists want you to believe that changes continue, merging gradually into new kinds of creatures. This is where the imaginary part of the theory of evolution comes in. It says that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural se******n to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few.

Just to be clear, evolution theory puts no limit on what mutation/natural se******n can invent, saying that everything in nature was invented by it - everything:

sex, eye-hand coordination, balance, navigation systems, tongues, blood, antennae, waste removal systems, swallowing, joints, lubrication, pumps, valves, autofocus, image stabilization, sensors, camouf**ge, traps, ceramic teeth, light (bioluminescence), ears, tears, eyes, hands, fingernails, cartilage, bones, spinal columns, spinal cords, muscles, ligaments, tendons, livers, kidneys, thyroid glands, lungs, stomachs, vocal cords, saliva, skin, fat, lymph, body plans, growth from egg to adult, nurturing babies, aging, breathing, heartbeat, hair, hibernation, bee dancing, insect queens, spiderwebs, feathers, seashells, scales, fins, tails, legs, feet, claws, wings, beaver dams, termite mounds, bird nests, coloration, markings, decision making, speech center of the brain, visual center of the brain, hearing center of the brain, language comprehension center of the brain, sensory center of the brain, memory, creative center of the brain, object-naming center of the brain, emotional center of the brain, movement centers of the brain, center of the brain for smelling, i****e s****ms, circulatory systems, digestive systems, endocrine systems, regulatory systems, genes, gene regulatory networks, proteins, ribosomes that assemble proteins, receptors for proteins on cells, apoptosis, hormones, neurot***smitters, circadian clocks, jet propulsion, etc. Everything in nature - according to evolution theory. Just to be clear.

The invention of new parts or systems by mutation has never been witnessed, nor has it been accomplished in a biochemistry laboratory. As Franklin Harold, retired professor of biochemistry and molecular biology at Colorado State University, wrote in his 2001 book "The Way of the Cell" published by Oxford University Press, "There are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biological or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations." Evolutionists often say "it evolved", but no one lists all the molecular steps because no one knows what they could be.

The earth is 4.5 billion years old, Nik, there wer... (show quote)

What you are missing Blade is that until there is another scientific theory to surpass evolution then it is going to stand just as Newtonian physics stood until Einstein surpassed him. You can debunk all you like but until you are able to introduce a new scientific theory Darwins theory is going to stand completely untouched.

PeterS

Blade_Runner wrote:

The earth is 4.5 billion years old, Nik, there were no humans four billion years ago. What the hell are you thinking? Please explain the evolutionary process by which humans were "instilled" with knowledge of right and wrong. Good grief, man, that idea is so far-fetched that only a science fiction writer could do it justice.

Why do you think that developing a sense of right and wrong something only a god can bestow? Man is a social animal. For a society to develop there has to be a sense of right and wrong else it would destroy itself. You sit there and mock anyone who dares to use reason as science fiction writers and then you introduce a fairytale and expect everyone to believe it. Gosh, Man can tell right from wrong--ONLY a god could have instilled that in HIM. You have a masters in English yet you are totally blind to the fact that you are making an argument from ignorance! If your arguments rely on fallacies then you aren't using reason. And if you aren't using reason than no matter who beautifully you spin your tale it will never be a t***h. A sense of right and wrong is conducive to man's survival. Any behavior that helps man to survive will be adopted and no god is necessary for that to happen!

Kazudy

Nickolai wrote:

Yes I posses a free will and a strong conscience I've had many opportunities to violate my wedding vows but never once succumbed. It would have been so easy but my conscience would not allow it. As for a soul there is no scientific evidence of such a thing as a soul.

You actually live with a person that listens to your nonsense 24,7? You better not c***t on her.

Kazudy

Nickolai wrote:

Yes I posses a free will and a strong conscience I've had many opportunities to violate my wedding vows but never once succumbed. It would have been so easy but my conscience would not allow it. As for a soul there is no scientific evidence of such a thing as a soul.

You probobly think that that gray matter inside your head called a brain defines you. Well we all have a brain that tells us when we are hungry, tired, thirsty, and such. Yet we are different in thought. I'll give you an example, to me a******n is murder, but not to you, I feel that marriage should be between a man and a woman, where you approve of homosexual marriage and allow those perverts to adopt little innocent children. It's our souls that make those decisions not our brain. You claim that there is no scientific evidence, but there is plenty of spiritual evidence. By the way I know that this won't matter to you but, there has been more non belivers converting to belivers, then belivers becoming non belivers by thousands to one. Many because of personal experiences of being healed from cancer when the doctors said that the person was going to die. Take it or leave it, it's up to you, your decision has no effect on me and mine has no effect on you.

Kazudy

Nickolai wrote:

Conscience and self awareness comes from 4 billio... (show quote)

Nicardo, if we come from monkeys, how come we still got monkeys but no evidence of the in between from monkeys to human?

Kazudy

Nickolai wrote:

Why did he wait for 4 billion years before he put ... (show quote)

All that is assumption on your part. You have no real knowledge of how long anything took. Please tell me, HOW DO YOU MEASURE 4 BILLION YEARS???

Kazudy

Nickolai wrote:

I have no concept of a god. Ut is so simple to answer complex questions with "god dun it " lucky we have science which has brought a broad understanding of how the natural world works

We all know how it works, you just don't know how it began.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Bad Bob wrote:

Padre why do you think there are so many Priest p*******es?

It's not only priests, p*******es and predators are now found everywhere; every walk of life and vocation. The reason is two fold. The first is because Progressives have dehumanized unborn children so that they could lawfully murder them in the name of women's health and sexually molest them in the name of sexual freedom. Remember NAMBA? They had no idea that the unintended consequences would result in the loss of respect for the sanctity of human life. Women and children today are too often disposable sex objects. "One death is a tragedy", Stalin said, "A million deaths is a statistic." What are 60 million a******ns deaths? Let's dull our conscience, dehumanize our children and call them a foetus. I would remind you that prior to the progressive immoral movements to promote their secular and social sexual agenda NO ONE EVER MURDERED CHILDREN IN THEIR SCHOOLS! School shootings are now expected and the national outrage lasts for maybe a week and the gun is always blamed instead of the true culprit. T***h be told, progressive philosophy would accept the deaths and molestation of children rather than to walk back the hedonism they advocate and promote. Progressives advocate every form of hedonism and sexual depravity imaginable and call it normal, natural and healthy. This is the second reason for the increase in sexual crimes. Militant hedonist took to the streets and progressives picked up their f**g and marched with them to insure their so called rights for perverse behavior. Progressives were foolish to believe immorality, promoted as normal and acceptable behavior, would ever be controlled once they opened up pandora's box. Of course it would ooze into every institution: social, secular, business, education, church, etc. It first began when your atheist friend, Madelyn, was successful in "ripping" prayer out of schools. (You might be interested to know that every public school in Florida this year has a sign on campus that reads, "In God We Trust.) Moving right along. Satan has attacked the Christian Church and Christians from the beginning. He particularly attacks clergy. Often entire congregations fail because of the sins of their clergy and Satan is gleeful. We observe this grievous sin now within a small minority of clergy in the Roman church and some simple minded folks want to damm every clergyman as a sexual d*****t; especially those finger pointers who approve of the "new morality" as a general principle of acceptable behavior. Why do you Progressive atheist condemn behavior you helped to create?

Navysnipe Loc: Old West

Kevyn wrote:

They are just pandering to snake handlers, thinking Americans need to hold them accountable. Biblical creationism is thoroughly disproven nonsense.

How was it disproven? Perhaps you meant to write Darwinian evolution is thoroughly disproven?

I'd say the bible tells t***h:

"Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the t***h and following their own desires." 2 Peter 3:3

"to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him." 16 These are grumblers, finding fault, following after their own lusts; they speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage." Jude 1:16

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

padremike wrote:

It's not only priests, p*******es and predators are now found everywhere; every walk of life and vocation. The reason is two fold. The first is because Progressives have dehumanized unborn children so that they could lawfully murder them in the name of women's health and sexually molest them in the name of sexual freedom. Remember NAMBA? They had no idea that the unintended consequences would result in the loss of respect for the sanctity of human life. Women and children today are too often disposable sex objects. "One death is a tragedy", Stalin said, "A million deaths is a statistic." What are 60 million a******ns deaths? Let's dull our conscience, dehumanize our children and call them a foetus. I would remind you that prior to the progressive immoral movements to promote their secular and social sexual agenda NO ONE EVER MURDERED CHILDREN IN THEIR SCHOOLS! School shootings are now expected and the national outrage lasts for maybe a week and the gun is always blamed instead of the true culprit. T***h be told, progressive philosophy would accept the deaths and molestation of children rather than to walk back the hedonism they advocate and promote. Progressives advocate every form of hedonism and sexual depravity imaginable and call it normal, natural and healthy. This is the second reason for the increase in sexual crimes. Militant hedonist took to the streets and progressives picked up their f**g and marched with them to insure their so called rights for perverse behavior. Progressives were foolish to believe immorality, promoted as normal and acceptable behavior, would ever be controlled once they opened up pandora's box. Of course it would ooze into every institution: social, secular, business, education, church, etc. It first began when your atheist friend, Madelyn, was successful in "ripping" prayer out of schools. (You might be interested to know that every public school in Florida this year has a sign on campus that reads, "In God We Trust.) Moving right along. Satan has attacked the Christian Church and Christians from the beginning. He particularly attacks clergy. Often entire congregations fail because of the sins of their clergy and Satan is gleeful. We observe this grievous sin now within a small minority of clergy in the Roman church and some simple minded folks want to damm every clergyman as a sexual d*****t; especially those finger pointers who approve of the "new morality" as a general principle of acceptable behavior. Why do you Progressive atheist condemn behavior you helped to create?

It's not only priests, p*******es and predators ar... (show quote)

"Remember NAMBA?" No OK see if I got this right. Progressives have dehumanized unborn children so that they
can sexually molest them. Progressives advocate and promote hedonism. Progressives advocate every form of hedonism and sexual depravity imaginable and call it normal, natural and healthy. This first began when Madelyn, was successful in "ripping" prayer out of schools, then Satan took over with the "new morality". And this is the reason we have priests p*******es, a******ns, school shootings, predators etc?

"Why do you Progressive atheist condemn behavior you helped to create?" First I'm not an atheist, second I don't know any progressives that do.