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Sep 15, 2018 14:59:54   #
rumitoid
 
Because of their H**er/Revenge Syndrome, confusing unquestioned fealty to the president as Patriotism, many on the Right in America are in Denial: they are blind to where Trump is leading this country--and it is overwhelmingly obvious, which makes it really frustrating. Stupefying they cannot see. All the phrases to describe this madness, such as "Down the rabbit hole," do not go far enough. If it were just a movie or book, you would not finish it out of the sheer inability for a "willing suspension of disbelief."

Any real patriot would naturally, at least, hesitate and pause to question Trump's frequent attacks on the very foundations of our liberty, a Free Press and Justice. The president's recent assault on four independent research organizations claims on the death toll in Puerto Rico is a huge Red F**g. To say the Left are making this stuff up as the "h**ers" is a basic denial mechanism, a way to maintain their loyalty for their hidden agenda. (As an aside, you conspiracy Theorists on the Right need to know that Soros was extremely instrumental of bringing Democracy to Poland, and he was not a N**i collaborated.)

Researchers calculate that almost 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria due in part to lackluster rescue efforts. President Donald Trump has rejected any suggestion that the federal government had failed. Earlier this month he touted rescue efforts on the island as “fantastic.”
On Thursday morning, he went further, posting a tweet in which he outright lied about the death toll. 

Donald J. Trump
✔ @realDonaldTrump
3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000...
6:37 AM - Sep 13, 2018

Obviously, the main purpose of Trump’s tweet was to shirk responsibility for his failures. As president, he is responsible for federal disaster relief efforts and the fact that so many people died in Puerto Rico reflects poorly on him. So he lies about it.

In doing so, he echoes those who have long denied acts of genocide, including Holocaust deniers and deniers of the Armenian genocide. It’s true that the deaths in Puerto Rico weren’t intentional and therefore don’t rise to the horrific level of genocide. But denying them can still serve many of the same purposes as denying planned atrocities.

First, denying the deaths in Puerto Rico functions as a kind of boast. Trump is insisting that he can get away with saying anything. This is a common tactic used by f*****t leaders. Their propaganda “is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such,” Hannah Arendt wrote in the classic Origins of Totalitarianism. “For in their opinion, fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”

Jason Stanley, author of the recent book How F*****m Works, explains that “signing onto the leader’s lies functions as a loyalty oath.” Lying about the victims in Puerto Rico, in particular, turns a nonpartisan discussion about human life and how best to prevent its loss into a purely partisan question of fealty to the president. Caring about those people over there who are not us (never mind that these particular dead were Americans too) and admitting they suffered becomes a sign of weakness and disloyalty.
 
In this way, genocide denial also strengthens nationalist identity and in-group loyalty. This is why, as Lancaster University politics professor Sossie Kasbarian said, the denial of the Armenian genocide “is a foundation of the Turkish state and a cornerstone of its foreign policy.” Erasing atrocities can function as especially strong fuel for nationalist sentiment by affirming the virtues of the in-group and denying the humanity, or even existence, of the out-group.

Sharing such a big, obvious lie ties loyalists together in the belligerent celebration of a mystical, guiltless past. It fits with Trump’s slogan of “Make America Great Again.” In this view, the United States should always be proud of itself, and the deaths of people of color, in the past or the present, are irrelevant or nonexistent.
 
Denying violence isn’t just a way to stoke nationalism, though. It’s also a way to extend violence. This is why Gregory Stanton of George Mason University described genocide denial as the last stage of genocide, “the final stage that lasts throughout and always follows a genocide.” Adam Jones, author of Genocide: A Comprehensive Introduction adds that people often “distort and recast genocide as a heroic or defensive narrative.” By doing so, they are often “paving the way for future genocides and abuses.”

Denial enables further atrocities in part because denial is, by its nature, conspiratorial. If the Holocaust didn’t happen, then someone is trying awfully hard to distort the t***h and present Jewish people as victims. Holocaust denial is anti-Semitic not just because it erases the reality of Jewish suffering, but also because it blames “Jewish media” for supposedly inventing the genocide in the first place. The Holocaust itself becomes an excuse for hating and scapegoating Jewish people.

Trump, who has long embraced conspiracy theories, did the same in his denial. After his first tweet, the president claimed that the death count for Maria was invented “by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list.”  

That is not merely a falsehood to gain immediate political advantage. Trump is calling for people to v**e against Democrats, but beyond that, he’s trying to delegitimize Democrats. If Democrats were lying about death tolls for political advantage, they would be violating the norms of democracy and decency. In that case, they should be treated not as a loyal opposition but as enemies.

What’s most frightening about genocide denial is that it’s not really denial. It’s a threat. If you can murder thousands or millions of people and then simply say it never happened, then you can murder thousands again, and again, on and on, as often as you like. Genocide denial is a way of saying, “We don’t care that we hurt you, and we will hurt you more if we feel like it. Neither human feeling nor facts will stop us.”

Again, the deaths in Puerto Rico were not a genocide. But Trump’s casually vindictive indifference to them is still a warning. If another hurricane headed toward Puerto Rico, he is telling us, he would do nothing differently. To him, the lives ― and deaths ― of people of color do not matter. He’s willing to lie about 3,000 dead. Who knows what else he’s willing to do?

Noah Berlatsky is the author most recently of N**i Dreams: Films About F*****m.

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Sep 15, 2018 22:48:20   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
With-Out Reading Mile-Long Un-Linked Cut And Paste

Hungary And Poland Are Countries
That Aren't Allowing ME 'Migrants' (HA !!)
Free Flow And Settlement

Right ??

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Sep 15, 2018 23:38:13   #
rumitoid
 
karpenter wrote:
With-Out Reading Mile-Long Un-Linked Cut And Paste

Hungary And Poland Are Countries
That Aren't Allowing ME 'Migrants' (HA !!)
Free Flow And Settlement

Right ??


I gave the author, but why not read it? Mile-long? That is a concern? What about the subject?

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Sep 16, 2018 00:04:46   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
rumitoid wrote:
I gave the author, but why not read it? Mile-long? That is a concern? What about the subject?
Why Not Read It ??
Because I Don't Know This Author
I'm Not Going To Look Into Him
Just Because It's Your Post

As A Matter-Of-Fact
Knowing You And Your Lack Of Current Event Knowlege
I'm Going To Say This Guy Is A Proponent
Of Mass Un-Vetted Muslim Invasion
And His Opinion Piece Will Reflect That

Poland And Hungary Don't Want These People
Even Setting Foot On Their Soil
And I Agree With Them

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Sep 16, 2018 00:25:38   #
rumitoid
 
karpenter wrote:
Why Not Read It ??
Because I Don't Know This Author
I'm Not Going To Look Into Him
Just Because It's Your Post

As A Matter-Of-Fact
Knowing You And Your Lack Of Current Event Knowlege
I'm Going To Say This Guy Is A Proponent
Of Mass Un-Vetted Muslim Invasion
And His Opinion Piece Will Reflect That

Poland And Hungary Don't Want These People
Even Setting Foot On Their Soil
And I Agree With Them


Hahahahahahahaha....

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Sep 16, 2018 08:40:07   #
Gatsby
 
rumitoid wrote:
Because of their H**er/Revenge Syndrome, confusing unquestioned fealty to the president as Patriotism, many on the Right in America are in Denial: they are blind to where Trump is leading this country--and it is overwhelmingly obvious, which makes it really frustrating. Stupefying they cannot see. All the phrases to describe this madness, such as "Down the rabbit hole," do not go far enough. If it were just a movie or book, you would not finish it out of the sheer inability for a "willing suspension of disbelief."

Any real patriot would naturally, at least, hesitate and pause to question Trump's frequent attacks on the very foundations of our liberty, a Free Press and Justice. The president's recent assault on four independent research organizations claims on the death toll in Puerto Rico is a huge Red F**g. To say the Left are making this stuff up as the "h**ers" is a basic denial mechanism, a way to maintain their loyalty for their hidden agenda. (As an aside, you conspiracy Theorists on the Right need to know that Soros was extremely instrumental of bringing Democracy to Poland, and he was not a N**i collaborated.)

Researchers calculate that almost 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria due in part to lackluster rescue efforts. President Donald Trump has rejected any suggestion that the federal government had failed. Earlier this month he touted rescue efforts on the island as “fantastic.”
On Thursday morning, he went further, posting a tweet in which he outright lied about the death toll. 

Donald J. Trump
✔ @realDonaldTrump
3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000...
6:37 AM - Sep 13, 2018

Obviously, the main purpose of Trump’s tweet was to shirk responsibility for his failures. As president, he is responsible for federal disaster relief efforts and the fact that so many people died in Puerto Rico reflects poorly on him. So he lies about it.

In doing so, he echoes those who have long denied acts of genocide, including Holocaust deniers and deniers of the Armenian genocide. It’s true that the deaths in Puerto Rico weren’t intentional and therefore don’t rise to the horrific level of genocide. But denying them can still serve many of the same purposes as denying planned atrocities.

First, denying the deaths in Puerto Rico functions as a kind of boast. Trump is insisting that he can get away with saying anything. This is a common tactic used by f*****t leaders. Their propaganda “is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such,” Hannah Arendt wrote in the classic Origins of Totalitarianism. “For in their opinion, fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”

Jason Stanley, author of the recent book How F*****m Works, explains that “signing onto the leader’s lies functions as a loyalty oath.” Lying about the victims in Puerto Rico, in particular, turns a nonpartisan discussion about human life and how best to prevent its loss into a purely partisan question of fealty to the president. Caring about those people over there who are not us (never mind that these particular dead were Americans too) and admitting they suffered becomes a sign of weakness and disloyalty.
 
In this way, genocide denial also strengthens nationalist identity and in-group loyalty. This is why, as Lancaster University politics professor Sossie Kasbarian said, the denial of the Armenian genocide “is a foundation of the Turkish state and a cornerstone of its foreign policy.” Erasing atrocities can function as especially strong fuel for nationalist sentiment by affirming the virtues of the in-group and denying the humanity, or even existence, of the out-group.

Sharing such a big, obvious lie ties loyalists together in the belligerent celebration of a mystical, guiltless past. It fits with Trump’s slogan of “Make America Great Again.” In this view, the United States should always be proud of itself, and the deaths of people of color, in the past or the present, are irrelevant or nonexistent.
 
Denying violence isn’t just a way to stoke nationalism, though. It’s also a way to extend violence. This is why Gregory Stanton of George Mason University described genocide denial as the last stage of genocide, “the final stage that lasts throughout and always follows a genocide.” Adam Jones, author of Genocide: A Comprehensive Introduction adds that people often “distort and recast genocide as a heroic or defensive narrative.” By doing so, they are often “paving the way for future genocides and abuses.”

Denial enables further atrocities in part because denial is, by its nature, conspiratorial. If the Holocaust didn’t happen, then someone is trying awfully hard to distort the t***h and present Jewish people as victims. Holocaust denial is anti-Semitic not just because it erases the reality of Jewish suffering, but also because it blames “Jewish media” for supposedly inventing the genocide in the first place. The Holocaust itself becomes an excuse for hating and scapegoating Jewish people.

Trump, who has long embraced conspiracy theories, did the same in his denial. After his first tweet, the president claimed that the death count for Maria was invented “by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list.”  

That is not merely a falsehood to gain immediate political advantage. Trump is calling for people to v**e against Democrats, but beyond that, he’s trying to delegitimize Democrats. If Democrats were lying about death tolls for political advantage, they would be violating the norms of democracy and decency. In that case, they should be treated not as a loyal opposition but as enemies.

What’s most frightening about genocide denial is that it’s not really denial. It’s a threat. If you can murder thousands or millions of people and then simply say it never happened, then you can murder thousands again, and again, on and on, as often as you like. Genocide denial is a way of saying, “We don’t care that we hurt you, and we will hurt you more if we feel like it. Neither human feeling nor facts will stop us.”

Again, the deaths in Puerto Rico were not a genocide. But Trump’s casually vindictive indifference to them is still a warning. If another hurricane headed toward Puerto Rico, he is telling us, he would do nothing differently. To him, the lives ― and deaths ― of people of color do not matter. He’s willing to lie about 3,000 dead. Who knows what else he’s willing to do?

Noah Berlatsky is the author most recently of N**i Dreams: Films About F*****m.
Because of their H**er/Revenge Syndrome, confusing... (show quote)


First, the ESTIMATES run from 1,000 to 4,000 dead, depending upon the computer model used, to arrive at the desired result.
Second, 99% of the deaths claimed, occurred in the aftermath of the storm, where the storm was considered only as a 'contributing factor'.
Nearly all of the desperately needed materials delivered to Puerto Rico, were sitting on the docks, undelivered because truck drivers were on strike.
How many Puerto Ricans died as a DIRECT result of water borne illnesses, while millions of bottles of safe water sat on their docks, undelivered?

Hospital patients and nursing home residents died because of lack of fresh food, clean water, medicine, electric generators and fuel,
while all of these things sat in their shipping containers, undelivered to those in need.

Then your lame brained author admits that the deaths in Puerto Rico were not a genocide, but goes on to imply that
President Trump is somehow a genocidal despot.

As usual, your article presented not a single fact; all your source offers here is blind h**e, and a total ignorance of REALITY.

Puerto Ricans biggest problem, was in fact Puerto Ricans themselves, who 'stood down' when their fellow citizens needed them the most.

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Sep 16, 2018 09:21:19   #
Gatsby
 
rumitoid wrote:
I gave the author, but why not read it? Mile-long? That is a concern? What about the subject?


The pathetic article that you cited has absolutely nothing to do with the thread that you started.

Just an other fanciful bait and switch tactic.

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Sep 16, 2018 11:17:34   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
What Else Was There....
Poland Revising Holocaust Numbers ??

Oh, NO They DON'T !!

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Sep 16, 2018 15:54:39   #
rumitoid
 
karpenter wrote:
Why Not Read It ??
Because I Don't Know This Author
I'm Not Going To Look Into Him
Just Because It's Your Post

As A Matter-Of-Fact
Knowing You And Your Lack Of Current Event Knowlege
I'm Going To Say This Guy Is A Proponent
Of Mass Un-Vetted Muslim Invasion
And His Opinion Piece Will Reflect That

Poland And Hungary Don't Want These People
Even Setting Foot On Their Soil
And I Agree With Them


Hohohohohoho...

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Sep 16, 2018 15:56:26   #
rumitoid
 
Gatsby wrote:
First, the ESTIMATES run from 1,000 to 4,000 dead, depending upon the computer model used, to arrive at the desired result.
Second, 99% of the deaths claimed, occurred in the aftermath of the storm, where the storm was considered only as a 'contributing factor'.
Nearly all of the desperately needed materials delivered to Puerto Rico, were sitting on the docks, undelivered because truck drivers were on strike.
How many Puerto Ricans died as a DIRECT result of water borne illnesses, while millions of bottles of safe water sat on their docks, undelivered?

Hospital patients and nursing home residents died because of lack of fresh food, clean water, medicine, electric generators and fuel,
while all of these things sat in their shipping containers, undelivered to those in need.

Then your lame brained author admits that the deaths in Puerto Rico were not a genocide, but goes on to imply that
President Trump is somehow a genocidal despot.

As usual, your article presented not a single fact; all your source offers here is blind h**e, and a total ignorance of REALITY.

Puerto Ricans biggest problem, was in fact Puerto Ricans themselves, who 'stood down' when their fellow citizens needed them the most.
First, the ESTIMATES run from 1,000 to 4,000 dead,... (show quote)


By a month after the hurricane, Puerto Rico funeral homes asked for assistance with over 2000 dead.

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