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Sep 29, 2018 01:48:47   #
Jean Deaux
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL... OKAAAY!



That is quite an accomplishment. Fifth biggest economy in the world and it is perilously close to bankruptcy what with all its lunatic policies on welfare, a sanctuary state, wh**ever. As long as moonbeam has the reins you're driving right up to the edge of the financial cliff. Remember, you want to jump before the stage goes over the cliff, not after.

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Sep 29, 2018 02:05:45   #
Jean Deaux
 
Morgan wrote:
A businessman who's been Bankrupt four times and has just asked for another third spending budget increase and has increased our debt more than that of a wartime era. I won't even bring up the environment which is much more important than your dividends.
A businessman who's been Bankrupt four times img ... (show quote)



Yes, bankrupt 4 or 5 times. It is nothing more than a legal condition to correct a financial situation. He is no longer bankrupt which means he has cleared his circumstances. He may well have needed a budget increase after the debacle our military faced upon obama's departure. That t*****rous, ignoramus reduced our army to pre-1940 levels and our navy to the number of ships we had afloat in 1910, but then he wasn't much of a warrior what with all his bowing and scrapping before foreign rulers and potentates. No wonder Trump spent more than in a wartime era (your words) since he left Trump with a military that was deficient in 1941.

As for your environmental concerns, half the scientific world thinks that the cause is nature, not mankind. A forest fire, volcano or distance to the sun can cause a great many temperature quirks, much more so than tail pipes or smokestacks. Oh, I forgot bilious cows and cigarettes.

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Sep 29, 2018 03:14:34   #
Jean Deaux
 
straightUp wrote:
Nothing is more important to a conservative than their own dividend. The only time they worry about anyone else is when they think someone else is getting something they aren't.


That is a bald faced lie and you know it!

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Sep 29, 2018 12:02:29   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
That is a bald faced lie and you know it!


In StraightUp's defense, you're wrong. He doesn't know it.

As you continue to debate him (if you do) you will be amazed at his shallowness, fundamental misunderstandings, lack of ability to assimilate new facts and information, along with his penchant for projecting unsavory l*****t/liberal attributes onto conservatives, while all along maintaining a conviction that he is the smartest person in the 'room'.

As I used to teach my son when he was young, there are two kinds of st*pid people, the regular kind and the dangerous kind. The regular kind know they're not 'the sharpest knife in the drawer' and seek advice from smarter folks. The dangerous kind are the ones who believe they're smarter than everyone else.

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Sep 29, 2018 13:49:30   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
That is a bald faced lie and you know it!

I agree with you.

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Oct 1, 2018 07:32:05   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
old marine wrote:
I know a lot of businessmen who have bankrupted the businesses they ran. The Democrat mayors of Atlanta, Georgia, Detroit, Michigan, Chicago, Illinois, Los Angeles are just a few. Then there is Governor Brown of California. Shall I need to add more?

There have been 790,830 bankruptcies in the U.S. in 2017 alone... Are you actually trying to make a case that Democrats are the only ones? 'cause that's just hilarious. The point that you seem to be missing is that Morgan was referring to Trump not just people in general and she was referring to Trump because YOU implied that as a businessman he is better for our country than a community organizer who has never even run a front yard lemonade stand."

I got some news for you my friend... Our government is NOT a business. If it were a business, everything would be infinitely easier and I'm sure that's why this short-sighted notion that a businessman is what the government needs has gone v***l since Bush. It's like telling someone who needs open-heart surgery they should dump the doctors and let a pit crew handle it because pit crews are very fast and efficient, but the problem is open heart surgery just isn't the same thing as changing tires... well a government, especially one based on democracy, isn't the same thing as a business either. The main difference being that a business has a very simple bottom-line on which all decisions are guided called the profit margin. This is NOT the case with a representative democracy which has to deal with resolving difficult conflicts that can't be resolved with simple math. The classic example (somewhat cheesy but it makes the point) being King Solomon's wisdom in dealing with the dispute between two women claiming the same child (if you remember the story).

Trump is failing right now... You folks don't see it because you're too busy being fooled by the snow job, but Trump's inability to move beyond simple-minded business mechanics is creating serious problems for our republic. Much of it is creating a sense of alienation among the Americans that he apparently has no regard for. To use the Solomonic analogy, rather than handle disputes the way King Solomon did, Trump's solution is simply to give the child to the woman he likes better, then writing off the complaints of the other woman as "f**e news". This is why Trump doesn't address the union the way previous presidents did... Instead, he hold's rallies with his supporters while dismissing the concerns of others as "f**e news"... It's because he can't handle the demands of the republic as a whole. He doesn't have the wisdom. He's a merchant not a king. I can provide other examples, such as pushing the national debt to record breaking levels, destroying the trust that other nations have had in our promises, reeking havoc on the businesses that are suffering from his trade wars, allowing the destruction of the environment and agitating international conflicts, but I think I've made my point.

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Oct 1, 2018 08:00:53   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
That is a bald faced lie and you know it!

The term is "BOLD faced lie" and that's not a suitable description. I'll concede that what I said is not entirely true, which is why it was only an off-handed joke to Morgan, but it's based on a generalized impression that conservatives leave us with because of their constant reference to personal gain. Take entitlements for instance; liberals tend to see this as a feature of an altruistic society where less fortunate people are cared for but conservatives see it as a people looking for hand outs. (personal gain). And don't tell me you haven't heard conservatives say they don't think they should have to pay taxes to pay for someone else's health care.

So, Jean if you're offended by the statement, maybe you should consider the attitudes that inspire it.

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Oct 1, 2018 08:02:20   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
In StraightUp's defense, you're wrong. He doesn't know it.

As you continue to debate him (if you do) you will be amazed at his shallowness, fundamental misunderstandings, lack of ability to assimilate new facts and information, along with his penchant for projecting unsavory l*****t/liberal attributes onto conservatives, while all along maintaining a conviction that he is the smartest person in the 'room'.

As I used to teach my son when he was young, there are two kinds of st*pid people, the regular kind and the dangerous kind. The regular kind know they're not 'the sharpest knife in the drawer' and seek advice from smarter folks. The dangerous kind are the ones who believe they're smarter than everyone else.
In StraightUp's defense, you're wrong. He doesn't ... (show quote)


Your poor son.

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Oct 1, 2018 08:47:14   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
That is quite an accomplishment. Fifth biggest economy in the world and it is perilously close to bankruptcy what with all its lunatic policies on welfare, a sanctuary state, wh**ever. As long as moonbeam has the reins you're driving right up to the edge of the financial cliff. Remember, you want to jump before the stage goes over the cliff, not after.

Being a sanctuary state doesn't cost anything (you don't have to pay a fee to say no) but I guess it doesn't matter to a mindless rant... If I thought there was anything more to your argument, I would point out that the U.S. is the largest economy in the world but also has the highest national debt in the world but alas, there's usually no point in contesting a rant with facts.

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Oct 1, 2018 16:32:55   #
Jean Deaux
 
straightUp wrote:
There have been 790,830 bankruptcies in the U.S. in 2017 alone... Are you actually trying to make a case that Democrats are the only ones? 'cause that's just hilarious. The point that you seem to be missing is that Morgan was referring to Trump not just people in general and she was referring to Trump because YOU implied that as a businessman he is better for our country than a community organizer who has never even run a front yard lemonade stand."

I got some news for you my friend... Our government is NOT a business. If it were a business, everything would be infinitely easier and I'm sure that's why this short-sighted notion that a businessman is what the government needs has gone v***l since Bush. It's like telling someone who needs open-heart surgery they should dump the doctors and let a pit crew handle it because pit crews are very fast and efficient, but the problem is open heart surgery just isn't the same thing as changing tires... well a government, especially one based on democracy, isn't the same thing as a business either. The main difference being that a business has a very simple bottom-line on which all decisions are guided called the profit margin. This is NOT the case with a representative democracy which has to deal with resolving difficult conflicts that can't be resolved with simple math. The classic example (somewhat cheesy but it makes the point) being King Solomon's wisdom in dealing with the dispute between two women claiming the same child (if you remember the story).

Trump is failing right now... You folks don't see it because you're too busy being fooled by the snow job, but Trump's inability to move beyond simple-minded business mechanics is creating serious problems for our republic. Much of it is creating a sense of alienation among the Americans that he apparently has no regard for. To use the Solomonic analogy, rather than handle disputes the way King Solomon did, Trump's solution is simply to give the child to the woman he likes better, then writing off the complaints of the other woman as "f**e news". This is why Trump doesn't address the union the way previous presidents did... Instead, he hold's rallies with his supporters while dismissing the concerns of others as "f**e news"... It's because he can't handle the demands of the republic as a whole. He doesn't have the wisdom. He's a merchant not a king. I can provide other examples, such as pushing the national debt to record breaking levels, destroying the trust that other nations have had in our promises, reeking havoc on the businesses that are suffering from his trade wars, allowing the destruction of the environment and agitating international conflicts, but I think I've made my point.
There have been 790,830 bankruptcies in the U.S. i... (show quote)



Ah yes, business problems are epidemic. Business problems like the highest stock market on record, lowest unemployment in decades, businesses returning to our shores after having been taxed to the point that profits became questionable, all the while restoring our military to an acceptable state of readiness, etc. Other nations have come to respect him due to his firmness in demanding equitable treatment for us and insisting that countries carry their own military funding responsibilities. He has lowered our taxes from unacceptable levels imposed by the previous two regimes so that people can get everything from household appliances to cars and houses. Of course our liberal faction h**es those accomplishments since the libs lose power and influence and they detest Republican successes!

Politically they fear Judge Kavanaugh since they realize that his primary objective is to return us to the influence of the Constitution and they certainly can't have that. They too often forget that we are a Republic and not a "democracy" as a search of our founding documents will reveal. Our Founding Fathers were scared to death of a democracy as they felt it would be nothing but the tyranny of the majority and were revealed to be correct as proven by the liberal antics used to try and pass legislation, a congressional responsibility. Search our founding documents for the word "democracy" and you will fail as it was never used.

President Trump is far from failing, in fact, he is the antithesis of failure. The only ones who believe in his failure are the democrats who are following their liberal pied pipers to their ultimate end in defeat and some dismal RINOs.

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Oct 1, 2018 17:11:59   #
Jean Deaux
 
straightUp wrote:
The term is "BOLD faced lie" and that's not a suitable description. I'll concede that what I said is not entirely true, which is why it was only an off-handed joke to Morgan, but it's based on a generalized impression that conservatives leave us with because of their constant reference to personal gain. Take entitlements for instance; liberals tend to see this as a feature of an altruistic society where less fortunate people are cared for but conservatives see it as a people looking for hand outs. (personal gain). And don't tell me you haven't heard conservatives say they don't think they should have to pay taxes to pay for someone else's health care.

So, Jean if you're offended by the statement, maybe you should consider the attitudes that inspire it.
The term is "BOLD faced lie" and that's ... (show quote)



I would like to see your reference to a Bold faced lie. Bald is considered to be bare, plain, unadorned (the bald facts) or frank and blunt (a bald statement) while bold faced is impudent or forward in manner. I will continue with my spelling.

As a life long conservative I have to argue the entitlements issue. My youngest son has been a quadriplegic for almost 30 years. He has tried repeatedly to gain a capacity to earn his own keep. He has tried at least a half dozen different trades but he is about to launch a successful career in the futures market. I applaud his strenuous efforts and am glad to see him finally able to take his place among the successful. I appreciate the help he has been given by the government for years, now he is eager to pay back.

As a depression era child, my family had no medical (or any other welfare) benefits. My Dad worked approximately a 70- hour week (he got Sunday afternoon off to attend church if he wished) for $18.75 a week. Our primary treatments were administered by Dr Mom and she had a number of "cures" for what ailed us; everything from mustard plasters to aspirin, Vicks and a rag to wrap around our neck for a sore throat, iodine or merthiolate for a scratch, kerosene for a cut, etc. I never saw an Emergency Room nor was admitted to a hospital, nor was anyone in my family. I do resent people unnecessarily visiting the Emergency Room just because it is available, damn the cost. If they truly need it, fine. But far too many go in for an earache or a splinter. And the citizens wind up paying for the cost for what should be a family responsibility for care. When I grew up people were too proud to take assistance but they were self reliant and believed in common sense and ingenuity. We have apparently forgotten all about that phase of life.

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Oct 1, 2018 17:21:06   #
Jean Deaux
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
In StraightUp's defense, you're wrong. He doesn't know it.

As you continue to debate him (if you do) you will be amazed at his shallowness, fundamental misunderstandings, lack of ability to assimilate new facts and information, along with his penchant for projecting unsavory l*****t/liberal attributes onto conservatives, while all along maintaining a conviction that he is the smartest person in the 'room'.

As I used to teach my son when he was young, there are two kinds of st*pid people, the regular kind and the dangerous kind. The regular kind know they're not 'the sharpest knife in the drawer' and seek advice from smarter folks. The dangerous kind are the ones who believe they're smarter than everyone else.
In StraightUp's defense, you're wrong. He doesn't ... (show quote)



I stand corrected! Thank you for the additions.

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Oct 1, 2018 17:33:34   #
Jean Deaux
 
straightUp wrote:
Being a sanctuary state doesn't cost anything (you don't have to pay a fee to say no) but I guess it doesn't matter to a mindless rant... If I thought there was anything more to your argument, I would point out that the U.S. is the largest economy in the world but also has the highest national debt in the world but alas, there's usually no point in contesting a rant with facts.



The bulk of which debt was unloaded on us by obama, and yes, Trump has added to it but for such necessities as rebuilding a military which was reduced and left us perilously exposed to foreign powers by our faux president. The costs of a sanctuary state have to include increased policing and incarceration facilities after these low lifes are caught and convicted of the crimes that they always seem to get into. If you wish to expose your citizenry to increased crime and violence that is your prerogative but if one of those scum harms someone of mine, your sanctuary city will not protect him nor the i***t that fostered the plan.

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Oct 1, 2018 17:37:47   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
straightUp wrote:
There have been 790,830 bankruptcies in the U.S. in 2017 alone... Are you actually trying to make a case that Democrats are the only ones? 'cause that's just hilarious. The point that you seem to be missing is that Morgan was referring to Trump not just people in general and she was referring to Trump because YOU implied that as a businessman he is better for our country than a community organizer who has never even run a front yard lemonade stand."

I got some news for you my friend... Our government is NOT a business. If it were a business, everything would be infinitely easier and I'm sure that's why this short-sighted notion that a businessman is what the government needs has gone v***l since Bush. It's like telling someone who needs open-heart surgery they should dump the doctors and let a pit crew handle it because pit crews are very fast and efficient, but the problem is open heart surgery just isn't the same thing as changing tires... well a government, especially one based on democracy, isn't the same thing as a business either. The main difference being that a business has a very simple bottom-line on which all decisions are guided called the profit margin. This is NOT the case with a representative democracy which has to deal with resolving difficult conflicts that can't be resolved with simple math. The classic example (somewhat cheesy but it makes the point) being King Solomon's wisdom in dealing with the dispute between two women claiming the same child (if you remember the story).

Trump is failing right now... You folks don't see it because you're too busy being fooled by the snow job, but Trump's inability to move beyond simple-minded business mechanics is creating serious problems for our republic. Much of it is creating a sense of alienation among the Americans that he apparently has no regard for. To use the Solomonic analogy, rather than handle disputes the way King Solomon did, Trump's solution is simply to give the child to the woman he likes better, then writing off the complaints of the other woman as "f**e news". This is why Trump doesn't address the union the way previous presidents did... Instead, he hold's rallies with his supporters while dismissing the concerns of others as "f**e news"... It's because he can't handle the demands of the republic as a whole. He doesn't have the wisdom. He's a merchant not a king. I can provide other examples, such as pushing the national debt to record breaking levels, destroying the trust that other nations have had in our promises, reeking havoc on the businesses that are suffering from his trade wars, allowing the destruction of the environment and agitating international conflicts, but I think I've made my point.
There have been 790,830 bankruptcies in the U.S. i... (show quote)


Yes, you made your point loud and clear.

From the very beginning of America's governing body was by experienced buismen. They were very conservative people and good buisness people.

All this started changing in 1866 when inexperienced people with no experience were placed in office. U. S. Grant was a failed businessman and drunk but was good at destruction and that's what was needed to end the resistance of the south.

President Trump knows how a buisness should be run and is doing what he said needed to be done

His opponents are angry because the tax payers money is no longer the Socialist Democrats gravy train.

One must adapt to living on a budget and not spend, spend, spend. The American government must also learn how to budget and spend wisely.

The Republican party proved that it can be done. They passed laws that forced Bill Clinton, when he was president, to have a balanced budget with a nice surplus left over. The Republicans controlled both the House and Congress and conservative spending was the rule of the day.

This is the only balanced budget since the early 1900s. All that changed when the Democrats got control and did away with the balanced budget act.

Now spending is out of control AGAIN. President Trump is slowing spending and making manufacturing profitable again by removing stupid rules and regulations.

We will see how things work out shortly.


P.S.
By the way Canada, Mexico and the United States signed a new trade agreement today.

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Oct 1, 2018 17:42:26   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
I would like to see your reference to a Bold faced lie. Bald is considered to be bare, plain, unadorned (the bald facts) or frank and blunt (a bald statement) while bold faced is impudent or forward in manner. I will continue with my spelling.


As you should (except it should be hyphenated). According to Grammarist:

If you need a word meaning shameless, brazen, or obvious, use the phrasal adjective bald-faced (and don’t forget the hyphen). Of course, this adjective can also be used to describe an unadorned and shaven face. The adjective boldface (not boldfaced) refers to text that looks like this. It has no other uses.


http://grammarist.com/usage/bald-faced-boldface/

StraightUp thinks he's a spelling/grammar expert because he attended journalism school. Apparently one of his professors there couldn't spell 'lose', either.

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