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Sep 20, 2018 10:38:50   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
slatten49 wrote:
Working Class Stiff has been here for quite some time, OldSalt...over five years, actually...just very selective in his postings.

'working class stiff (a regular here) (online) Joined: Jul 24, 2013 Posts: 4429 Loc: N. Carolina'

Hope you weren't terribly effected by Florence, WCS.

I didn't recognize him until after I posted my apology.

Heck I'm far from being perfect since I an NOT a Socialist.


Nothing but a little rain. I live east of the mighty Mississipi river and about 120 miles north of New Orleans joining the Homochittia National Forrest.

The government has been trying for ages to get my little four sections of 100 year long leaf pine trees. They will NEVER GET THEM as long as I breathe.

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Sep 20, 2018 10:55:50   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
whitnebrat wrote:
The way I interpret your answer is that you are conflating the e******n of the president with the passing of legislation.
The original intent of the E*******l College is that each district would find and send the best qualified person to elect the President. The founders knew, as did most of the populace, that the average citizen wasn't qualified through either education or 'worldliness' to know what to look for in a chief executive of a nation.
Legislation, however, is a divided process, with the House and Senate. Originally, the state legislatures appointed Senators and the people elected their Representatives to the House. The needs of your county in Iowa are definitely different than those of downtown LA, but the Senate is there to theoretically provide e******y between the states and give voice to your Iowa county in equal volume to that of Los Angeles. Your observation on the larger states in population having more sayso in the national dialog is supposed to be tempered by the equal representation of each state in the Senate. This argument was the reason for the "Great Compromise" that resulted in having a bicameral legislature was populated in two different ways. The urbanized states in the Northeast wanted more control over the country, and the rural states of the SouthEast demanded equal representation ... hence two houses of Congress.
The way I interpret your answer is that you are co... (show quote)





Our government was modeled after the English Parliamentarian Monarchy. They have the House of Lords and the House of Commons with the Prime Minister/King as their executive. This is the equivalent of the Senate, House or Representatives and Executive Branches of our government. Even our court system is modeled on the original colonial judiciary, where appeals from local laws could be taken to the King in Council, where the colony's laws could be and were frequently upset.

The E*******l College was totally and completely bound up in preservation of Southern States rights of "property", i.e. ownership of s***es. The South needed guarantees that the northern states, which were opposed to s***ery, would not gain control and enact laws outlawing such ownership. The E*******l College was the means of compromise that persuaded the Southern States to join the Union. This was the “Great Compromise”.

Even though the s***ery issue was settled with a civil war and the lives of a half million soldiers, the need for and relevance of the E*******l College continues. Without it, approximately six cities would control the entire nation.

With the passage of the Seventeenth amendment in 1913 our government is rapidly closing on becoming unicameral. Certainly the Senates long term of service and relative immunity from recall or dismissal makes them akin to the House of Lords.

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Sep 20, 2018 11:08:30   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Just one question ... if you force the woman to carry the infant to term, are you willing to support and educate and take care of that child once it is born? There doesn't seem to be much appetite for dealing with the child once it's born against the wishes of the mother.


Sure we can set up public creches or orphanages and make them Wards of the State. As usual, there are two sides to this coin. Do we allow the mother of this child to continue breeding indefinitely, while imposing the burden and costs of rearing her get, on the rest of the people? How about after one baby that has to be rescued from a******n she gets a warning, and after two she gets a choice of voluntary sterilization or jail for her remaining fecund years?

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Sep 20, 2018 11:16:52   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
working class stiff wrote:
No we weren't affected except in minor ways. The folks down east....man oh man....

It's funny you point out how long I've been here because I noticed this morning that you and I joined about the same time. I notice we have generated different amounts of output. "Selective" is an intriguing description. You are a wordsmith!

Hope you are well

"Wordsmith, huh "

Some might say 'bullsh*t artist.'

Doing quite well, thank you. The Sgt. Major keeps me in line.

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Sep 20, 2018 11:19:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
old marine wrote:
I didn't recognize him until after I posted my apology.

Heck I'm far from being perfect since I an NOT a Socialist.


Nothing but a little rain. I live east of the mighty Mississipi river and about 120 miles north of New Orleans joining the Homochittia National Forrest.

The government has been trying for ages to get my little four sections of 100 year long leaf pine trees. They will NEVER GET THEM as long as I breathe.
I didn't recognize him until after I posted my apo... (show quote)


Heck, OldSalt...you're not too far from Vernon. I'm guessing the two of you are close to the same age, and would get along great

BTW...nobody's perfect, but we Marines are as close as one can get.

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Sep 20, 2018 11:29:40   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
old marine wrote:
I didn't recognize him until after I posted my apology.

Heck I'm far from being perfect since I an NOT a Socialist.


Nothing but a little rain. I live east of the mighty Mississipi river and about 120 miles north of New Orleans joining the Homochittia National Forrest.

The government has been trying for ages to get my little four sections of 100 year long leaf pine trees. They will NEVER GET THEM as long as I breathe.
I didn't recognize him until after I posted my apo... (show quote)


LOL! Your little 4 square miles??

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Sep 20, 2018 11:34:02   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
old marine wrote:
I didn't recognize him until after I posted my apology.

Heck I'm far from being perfect since I an NOT a Socialist.


Nothing but a little rain. I live east of the mighty Mississipi river and about 120 miles north of New Orleans joining the Homochittia National Forrest.

The government has been trying for ages to get my little four sections of 100 year long leaf pine trees. They will NEVER GET THEM as long as I breathe.
I didn't recognize him until after I posted my apo... (show quote)


Your comment about Long Leafed Pine Trees piqued my curiosity so I looked it up on Wikipedia. Seems there is less than 3% of the original Long Leaf forest still left. Most of its territory has been harvested and replanted with loblolly pines and other fast growing varieties. Here is a link to a very informative article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longleaf_pine

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Sep 20, 2018 12:59:30   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
slatten49 wrote:
"Wordsmith, huh "

Some might say 'bullsh*t artist.'

Doing quite well, thank you. The Sgt. Major keeps me in line.


She must be a very strong patient woman to put up with ex-military like us. 😊🤗

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Sep 20, 2018 13:24:00   #
Jean Deaux
 
pafret wrote:
Sure we can set up public creches or orphanages and make them Wards of the State. As usual, there are two sides to this coin. Do we allow the mother of this child to continue breeding indefinitely, while imposing the burden and costs of rearing her get, on the rest of the people? How about after one baby that has to be rescued from a******n she gets a warning, and after two she gets a choice of voluntary sterilization or jail for her remaining fecund years?



Simply cut off ALL her welfare benefits after her first child. These l***hes that continue to pop out kid after kid as an income generating industry need to go. Once they find out that the gravy train has come to a screeching halt, perhaps the idea of responsible sex will regain a foothold.

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Sep 20, 2018 13:38:58   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
LOL! Your little 4 square miles??

Yes, my ancestors fought and repelled the British from the colonies and they became the United States of America.

In 1802 four brothers were still together and found this place. It had no inhabits for hundreds of miles. So they settled here and started building homes.

When Thomas Jefferson bought the "Louisianna purchase" their claim fell in that area. The two brother's went to see the President and the other two remained to protect the homeplace.

After their property rights were secured they returned. There was no trouble with the few Indians that traveled through the place from time to time. Often they traded with each other.

After each had a nice cabin and had furs they acquired and trapped and a large supply of Grandpaws secret corn squeezing. They headed
their two wagons of furs, tools and corn squeezing over to the Mississippi river.

There they built a raft, loaded it and headed down river to New Orleans. The other two returned home with the wagons.

Once the furs and corn squeezing were sold and neccessary tools and supplies bought they booked passage to Natchez and the other brothers would meet them with wagons to bring the supplies home. Oh I forgot to add in their 1811 trip both brought wives with them.

One brother was robbed and k**led in Natchez and the other never married. When the Civil war broke out in 1861 several brothers and cousins fought some for the North to preserve the union some for the south protecting the home land.

Then they had to fight the carpetbaggers who tried to steal our land but the taxes were always paid in gold. The court's always ruled in our favor against the carpetbagger thieves.

Today we are still fighting to keep what is ours.

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Sep 20, 2018 13:45:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
old marine wrote:
Yes, my ancestors fought and repelled the British from the colonies and they became the United States of America.

In 1802 four brothers were still together and found this place. It had no inhabits for hundreds of miles. So they settled here and started building homes.

When Thomas Jefferson bought the "Louisianna purchase" their claim fell in that area. The two brother's went to see the President and the other two remained to protect the homeplace.

After their property rights were secured they returned. There was no trouble with the few Indians that traveled through the place from time to time. Often they traded with each other.

After each had a nice cabin and had furs they acquired and trapped and a large supply of Grandpaws secret corn squeezing. They headed
their two wagons of furs, tools and corn squeezing over to the Mississippi river.

There they built a raft, loaded it and headed down river to New Orleans. The other two returned home with the wagons.

Once the furs and corn squeezing were sold and neccessary tools and supplies bought they booked passage to Natchez and the other brothers would meet them with wagons to bring the supplies home. Oh I forgot to add in their 1811 trip both brought wives with them.

One brother was robbed and k**led in Natchez and the other never married. When the Civil war broke out in 1861 several brothers and cousins fought some for the North to preserve the union some for the south protecting the home land.

Then they had to fight the carpetbaggers who tried to steal our land but the taxes were always paid in gold. The court's always ruled in our favor against the carpetbagger thieves.

Today we are still fighting to keep what is ours.
Yes, my ancestors fought and repelled the British ... (show quote)


I can imagine. That's a very valuable chunk of land. Watch out for imminent domain!

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Sep 20, 2018 13:56:28   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
pafret wrote:
Your comment about Long Leafed Pine Trees piqued my curiosity so I looked it up on Wikipedia. Seems there is less than 3% of the original Long Leaf forest still left. Most of its territory has been harvested and replanted with loblolly pines and other fast growing varieties. Here is a link to a very informative article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longleaf_pine


You are correct. That is why the government wants to steal our little piece of heaven.

Back in the 1940-50 there was a great market in Florida for our seeds and plants because of the high content of sap. They use to scar the face of the trees and collect the sap to make turpentine.

Once lead was outlawed from paints and the paint companies had to switch to water base paints. Lead paints were then restricted to industrial purposes. K*****g the turpentine buisness.

We sell a few seeds overseas bot not very much, we only harvest damaged or dying trees to salvage the lumber. Once the stump is removed a new long leaf pine tree is replanted in its place.

About 90% of our sales is for pine cones (for decorations) and baled pine straw.

About 75% of our trees are over 100 years old. Our property joins a National Forrest but most of their long leaf pines were harvested in the early 1900s what a shame. Damn money hungry polititions ruin everything they touch.

Semper Fi brothers and sisters

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Sep 20, 2018 14:01:34   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
old marine wrote:
You are correct. That is why the government wants to steal our little piece of heaven.

Back in the 1940-50 there was a great market in Florida for our seeds and plants because of the high content of sap. They use to scar the face of the trees and collect the sap to make turpentine.

Once lead was outlawed from paints and the paint companies had to switch to water base paints. Lead paints were then restricted to industrial purposes. K*****g the turpentine buisness.

We sell a few seeds overseas bot not very much, we only harvest damaged or dying trees to salvage the lumber. Once the stump is removed a new long leaf pine tree is replanted in its place.

About 90% of our sales is for pine cones (for decorations) and baled pine straw.

About 75% of our trees are over 100 years old. Our property joins a National Forrest but most of their long leaf pines were harvested in the early 1900s what a shame. Damn money hungry polititions ruin everything they touch.

Semper Fi brothers and sisters
You are correct. That is why the government wants ... (show quote)


What are considered "long leaf pines"?
Are they in the Sierras?

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Sep 20, 2018 14:02:44   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
Simply cut off ALL her welfare benefits after her first child. These l***hes that continue to pop out kid after kid as an income generating industry need to go. Once they find out that the gravy train has come to a screeching halt, perhaps the idea of responsible sex will regain a foothold.


A common sense solution.

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Sep 20, 2018 14:04:26   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I can imagine. That's a very valuable chunk of land. Watch out for imminent domain!


Done been there. We were forced to sell the right of way for a state highway where our property joined the Homochitto National Forrest. The whole road was built on our land and not one inch on the Homochitto property.

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