Do you follow Holy Eucharist Sacrament Precepts, Or is It Just A Meer Protestantism Symbolism ? John 6:25-59 The Last Supper Luke 22:7-38
Sep 14, 2018 17:47:53 #
Jesus Commanded and Teaching on the Holy Eucharist: John 6: 25-59 and The Last Supper Luke 22: 7-38
Biblical references in the Old and New Testament Bible:
The teaching of Manna, the living bread from Heaven, Old Testament Bible.
a. Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you.
The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions.
Exodus 16:4
b. He rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven. I am the living bread that came down from heaven.
Psalm 78:24
c. In their hunger you gave them bread from heaven and in their thirst you brought them water from the rock; you told them to go in and take possession of the land you had
sworn with uplifted hand to give them.
Nehemiah 9:15
d. All your children will be taught by the Lord, and great will be their peace.
Isaiah 54:13
The teaching of the Eucharist by Jesus and his Apostles and the Early Church Patristic Fathers, Popes, Bishops, Cardinals Preasts, Deacons, Church Cannon, Church Traditions, Ecumenical councils, Magisterium, and the Catechism.
John 6: 25-59
Jesus the Bread of Life.
25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for
food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He
gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[a]”
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the
bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
41 At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered.
44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
48 I am the bread of life.
49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died.
50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
Many Disciples Desert Jesus John 6: 60-71
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?
62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.
64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.
65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.
68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”
70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”
71 He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.
John 6: 60-71
The Last Supper Luke 22: 7-38
7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.
8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.
10 He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters,
11 and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’
12 He will show you a large room upstairs, all furnished. Make preparations there.”
13 They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table.
15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you.
18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table.
22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!”
23 They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.
24 A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest.
25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors.
26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.
27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.
28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials.
29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,
30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.
32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”
33 But he replied, “Lord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death.”
34 Jesus answered, “I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.”
The Great Church Teaching Commission to the Apostles:
35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered.
36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Isaiah 53:12
Biblical references in the Old and New Testament Bible:
The teaching of Manna, the living bread from Heaven, Old Testament Bible.
a. Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you.
The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions.
Exodus 16:4
b. He rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven. I am the living bread that came down from heaven.
Psalm 78:24
c. In their hunger you gave them bread from heaven and in their thirst you brought them water from the rock; you told them to go in and take possession of the land you had
sworn with uplifted hand to give them.
Nehemiah 9:15
d. All your children will be taught by the Lord, and great will be their peace.
Isaiah 54:13
The teaching of the Eucharist by Jesus and his Apostles and the Early Church Patristic Fathers, Popes, Bishops, Cardinals Preasts, Deacons, Church Cannon, Church Traditions, Ecumenical councils, Magisterium, and the Catechism.
John 6: 25-59
Jesus the Bread of Life.
25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for
food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He
gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[a]”
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the
bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
41 At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered.
44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
48 I am the bread of life.
49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died.
50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
Many Disciples Desert Jesus John 6: 60-71
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?
62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.
64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.
65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.
68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”
70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”
71 He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.
John 6: 60-71
The Last Supper Luke 22: 7-38
7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.
8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.
10 He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters,
11 and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’
12 He will show you a large room upstairs, all furnished. Make preparations there.”
13 They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table.
15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you.
18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table.
22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!”
23 They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.
24 A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest.
25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors.
26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.
27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.
28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials.
29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,
30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.
32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”
33 But he replied, “Lord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death.”
34 Jesus answered, “I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.”
The Great Church Teaching Commission to the Apostles:
35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered.
36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Isaiah 53:12
Sep 14, 2018 18:02:01 #
As Long As We All Realize This Communion
Commemorates The Passover, Which Is What It Is
Then We're Doing It Right
Why Do You Post All That
You Think We've Never Read Any Of It ??
Manna Has Nothing To Do With Anything
If They Hadn't Fallen Away With The Gold Calf Idolatry
They Wouldn't Have Had To Wander For 40yrs
And The Manna Would Have Been Un-Neccessary
Hey, Preach-Up About The Water Springing From Rocks Too
Because That Falls Under The Same Heading As The Manna
And Has Zero To Do With The Passover
Commemorates The Passover, Which Is What It Is
Then We're Doing It Right
Why Do You Post All That
You Think We've Never Read Any Of It ??
Manna Has Nothing To Do With Anything
If They Hadn't Fallen Away With The Gold Calf Idolatry
They Wouldn't Have Had To Wander For 40yrs
And The Manna Would Have Been Un-Neccessary
Hey, Preach-Up About The Water Springing From Rocks Too
Because That Falls Under The Same Heading As The Manna
And Has Zero To Do With The Passover
Sep 15, 2018 04:44:07 #
karpenter,
karpenter you happened to be confused, what you read in the post article, and have lost all Protestant religious understanding of what the Eucharist is.
What the ancient Manna that fed the Hebrew-Isralite people for 40 years and the significance of the Jewish Passover, in Jerusalem and the passover meal on Holy Thursday celebrated by Jesus and the 12 Apostles.
Tell me what's wrong with you, is your blind hatred that apparent, that you spew forth nonsense.
You have Protestant derangement syndrome . . . similar to Trump syndrome by the left leaning democrats, a have a knee jerk reaction to anything I post.
You and like other similar rabid Protestant members on the OPP forum have a sickness e.g. Protestant derangement syndrome on the OPP Forum.
You really need to chill out, and take a step back, and end this anti-Catholic rhetoric.
So what's wrong with you ? And your incoherent fractional thinking, nonsense and religious ramblings . . .
a. You lost the significance of Old Testament Jewish tradition, passover celebration meal, Hebrew-Israelite "Angel of death Passover" and lambs blood, their freedom with God's help.
b. You lost the significance of God's Manna that came down from heaven that sustained the Hebrew-Israelite for 40 years in the desert.
c. You lost the significance of what Jesus Christ said.
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I
will give for the life of the world.” John 6: 51
d. You lost the significance of what Jesus Christ said.
Jesus said, This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread
will live forever.” John 6: 58
f. You lost the significance of the Eucharist and what Jesus said.
“Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 6: 53
You lost your Protestant composure and the significance in your Protestant arrogance and hatred of anything Catholic, you're just an angry Protestant wolf lashing out anyway you can.
How sad, What a pitiful soul you are, Ill pray for you, to cleanse your evil heart intentions.
karpenter all I ask in the future and request, from you, is to be truthful, and provide facts to answer your comments, and not some preconceived opinions about what you think the Catholic Church teaches.
That you truly, answer with actual Christian Protestant Church facts, or try to the best of your ability, to answer with Christian questions.
This is not an attack on Protestant Christians or your faith, it is a method of understanding our Christian faiths and different understandings of Religion.
karpenter, You and other Protestant OPP Forum members seem to get things wrong, like TexaCan, jack sequim wa, mwdegutis.
The Catholic Church is not the enemy.
Their current behavior and actions is reprehensible attacking the Catholic Church as Pagan and is a religious Cult and attacking me personally.
All they are showing to readers is their narrow mindedness, religious bigotry, religious prejudice and intolerance, comes to mind, more than anything else.
It's almost like an alcoholic or drug addict that needs a religious spiritual intervention.
Many Protestants on this OPP Forum have a very similar attitude and political intolerance as the left wing Democrat party, and their snow-flake derangement syndrome behavior to President Trump. And Trumps masterful campaign slogan "Make America Great Again. What Good Americans, wouldn't want this.
Dare I say it again, Protestant Anti-Catholic intolerance of 500 years and present day snow-flake derangement syndrome behavior. With anti-Catholic misconceived negative sentiments and thinking and say these hateful words, Pagan and is a religious Cult and attacking me personally. .
Protestants don't know or understand the consequences of their hatful speech, and don't think about their actions when calling Catholic Church Pagan and religious cult.
They just think nothing of it, and think they can get away with their anti-Catholic behavior, it's a stereotypical attitude an total double-standard rhetoric and is just pure religious hypocrisy and it's Christian disingenuous.
Protestants don't know or want to know, The Catholic Church has a somewhat complete different and foreign understanding of the Bible than Protestants.
That's because the Catholic Church has 19 centuries or 1,986 years of tradition, biblical scripture history and countless Vatican libraries of Church documents and books to draw upon.
Catholics have a different teaching theology than from Protestants because: e.g.
a. Church Liturgy and teaching,
b. The High Mass Worship vs. the Protestant low Mass,
c. The 7 Sacraments instated by Jesus Christ,
d. Church Governorship or Hierarchy,
e. Papal and Church authority,
f. Traditional and Oral Heritage,
g. 1,986 years of Church cannon instruction and teaching,
The list goes on and on and on.
Many main-line Protestant Churches may only have 500 years of Church history, formation and some present day churches, may have only one year theology and formation due to the 30,000 Protestant Church, fractious divisional aspects and different theologies of Protestant Churches.
Most times they are lucky to get along with themselves, let alone their hated preconceived notions of anti-Catholic Church thoughts and beliefs.
They fight amongst themselves . . .
Mostly its plain Religious ignorance and intolerance and not picking up a book or getting information on the Internet to understand the religious differences.
a. In your answers and comments, please stay on the subject and answer the question at hand,
b. Don't start diverting away from the subject or different tangents of answering the Post Article, and please try not get into too many word semantics discussions.
c. If you don't know something, or don't understand the definition-terminology or Christian theology concept, it's okay to tell me, I don't know the answer.
d. Please don't get so defensive to the question that I ask.
Tell me something, karpenter, What is your Christian background and Christian roots and history ?
How many different churches have you attended and belonged to and what is the present name and affiliation of the Church that you belong to.
Do you have a Pastor, Minister or are they ordained ?
I genuinely and sincerely would like to know, as to your Christian knowledge and Christian education and religious vocational-up brining ?
Or is your Christian up-bringing, is self-taught ?
Kapenter,
I'm a life long cradle-Catholic, and have a well rounded understanding and am knowledgeable about the Bible and own five bibles.
Have many books and digital resources material, the Catholic Catechism, Catholic Apologetics, Cannon Law.
Am an avid reader of the Early Church Fathers their documents pass down, through the centuries and of current Catholic books articles and documents.
Getting back to the OPP Post Article and your response and comment.
Because karpenter, I don't know whether to laugh or cry right now, after reading your comment and your lack of understanding as to what the Post article question actually said.
Passover, Manna and the Eucharist. Your not on alcohol or drugs are you ? Or taking Pycotrophic mind anxiety drugs are you ?
Do you even understand the Article's question and the intention of what I asked you about the Holy Eucharist Sacraments precepts, and your unintelligent answer and comment ?
Tell me something karpenter, why do Protestants Christians never truthfully answer a Catholic Christian question, and always get evasive to the answer and blindly come up with a biblical scriptural passage. ? And think they have answered the question ?
This is not a trick question or "Got-Ya" answer to the question.
"Do you follow Holy Eucharist Sacrament Precepts," ? Or is It Just A Meer Protestantism Symbolism ?
So please try your best to answer the questions that I ask.
Really think about this karpenter, pray and discern about when you receiving the Holy Eucharist at mass communion.
1. karpenter, What is the actual significance of what Jesus Christ taught, commanded. Jesus actual teaching on the Sacrament the Holy Eucharist ?
2. karpenter, Do you understand Jesus Christ's "God's" new and everlasting and final sacrificial paschal covenant and Christian significance of the Eucharist sacrifice ?
3. karpenter, Do you understand what Jesus, the institution of the Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, that Jesus commanded all Christians perform ?
karpenter, really I think you should pray and then sleep on this question before answering the question again.
4. karpenter, where is your Christian education foundation in your beliefs on Holy Communion the Eucharist ? And the actual teachings of Jesus Christ on this subject ?
5. What were Jesus Christ actual instruction and teaching on the Eucharist, to his 12 Apostles teaching, the Early Church Patristic Fathers Teaching, by the teachings Popes, Bishops,
Priests, Deacons Monks and Friars and so forth ?
6. karpenter, what was the significance of the Holy Eucharist (Body and Blood) his "soul and divinity," and the Sacramental precepts when you receive the Lord at communion ?
Myself included and Catholics OPP Forum readers and most Christians, "can-not" conceive and have a hard time, understanding your response to the article title: e.g.
karpenter, Do you follow and understand the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist and precepts ? Or is It Just A Meer Protestantism Symbolism ?
7. karpenter, Are you feeling Christian morally well, and have the mental capacity to understand the basic Christian concept, the Christian theology and doctrinal significance of the
Holy Eucharist instituted by Jesus Christ ?
8. karpenter, do you understand, this is a true Human sacrifice by Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and the omission of sins and why Jesus reason to save all people of their sins ?
9. karpenter, do you understand, the Eucharist sacrifice during the mass and what we receive at communion, "Is-Not the same animal sacrifice in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem of
Jesus 1st century.
The Jewish people can-not perform and offer a sin-animal sacrifice any more hence it's a dead religion as was the Pharaoh religion practiced by the Egyptians when his first born son died it became a dead religion.
10. karpenter, Do you know and understand the significance of Hebrew and Israelite and priestly sin-Animal sacrifices at the Jewish temples ?
The Eucharist has no analogy or anything to do with the Old Testament Israelites-Jewish peoples or about the "Angel of death-Passover" and the Jewish sadder meal and "Lamb Sacrifice" by Moses and the ten plagues committed by God on the Egyptian Pharaoh and Egyptian people.
Other than that Jesus Christ was the most pure sacrifice or was the innocent paschal jewish sacrifice, Because Jesus was Jewish, and the sin's of one persons would save all the Jewish people. This is what the Scribes, the Pharisee, the Sadducees and the Jewish High priest thought and practiced.
11. Tell me something karpenter, what you know, of the Gods instructions to Moses and Arron, from the Torah the "Book of Exodus" and how God command the Jewish people to
commemorate the "Angel of death" Passover ?
Thats what the historical roots of the Passover is and is still commemorated by the Jewish and is about their freedom.
12. And karpenter, what is the significance of sacrifice of lamb's blood on the lentil door beam, as the "Angel of death" "Passover" the the Hebrew-Israelite people in the Land of
Egypt roughly in 1,550 B.C. ?
13. Karpenter, In the New Testament Gospels; e.g. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts of the Apostles. Can you tell me what the paschal sacrifice is of the Christian mass is ?
14. Karpenter, what is the significance of the gospels and Eucharist remembered and commemorated during the Christian Mass ?
15. Karpenter, what is the significance and difference of the Last supper of Jesus Christ on Holy Thursday and the Jewish Passover celebration practiced by Jews? Jesus was a Jew !
16. karpenter, so what is the analogy of the Manna from heaven in the Old Testament and what Jesus said: "Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will
never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
John 6:35
17. So karpenter, in your reply and comment are you Protestant religiously schizophrenic ?
karpenter, because when you say one thing e.g. "As Long As We All Realize This Communion Commemorates The Passover, Which Is What It Is Then We're Doing It Right.
karpenter, then you say, the complete opposite statement: e.g. And say, "And Has Zero To Do With The Passover."
karpenter, Duhhh, what's wrong with you, and your protestant religious Christian thinking . . . Have you lost your mind ? Can't you read what I posted ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Karpenter, the Last Super discourse and the beginning of Jesus institution of the Sacrament of the Eucharist began here while they celebrated the jewish passover.
karpenter you are confused what you read and have lost all religious understanding. On the Jewish passover celebration is,
Since Jesus was a practicing Jew, and the 12 Apostles were all Jews, and it was the historical time in Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover.
It was the Hebrew-Israelites calendar tine to celebrate the Jewish passover and festival commemorating the traditional Seder meal of the Jewish peoples freedom from the Egyptians and the "Angel of death Passover"
karpenter you happened to be confused, what you read in the post article, and have lost all Protestant religious understanding of what the Eucharist is.
What the ancient Manna that fed the Hebrew-Isralite people for 40 years and the significance of the Jewish Passover, in Jerusalem and the passover meal on Holy Thursday celebrated by Jesus and the 12 Apostles.
Tell me what's wrong with you, is your blind hatred that apparent, that you spew forth nonsense.
You have Protestant derangement syndrome . . . similar to Trump syndrome by the left leaning democrats, a have a knee jerk reaction to anything I post.
You and like other similar rabid Protestant members on the OPP forum have a sickness e.g. Protestant derangement syndrome on the OPP Forum.
You really need to chill out, and take a step back, and end this anti-Catholic rhetoric.
So what's wrong with you ? And your incoherent fractional thinking, nonsense and religious ramblings . . .
a. You lost the significance of Old Testament Jewish tradition, passover celebration meal, Hebrew-Israelite "Angel of death Passover" and lambs blood, their freedom with God's help.
b. You lost the significance of God's Manna that came down from heaven that sustained the Hebrew-Israelite for 40 years in the desert.
c. You lost the significance of what Jesus Christ said.
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I
will give for the life of the world.” John 6: 51
d. You lost the significance of what Jesus Christ said.
Jesus said, This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread
will live forever.” John 6: 58
f. You lost the significance of the Eucharist and what Jesus said.
“Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 6: 53
You lost your Protestant composure and the significance in your Protestant arrogance and hatred of anything Catholic, you're just an angry Protestant wolf lashing out anyway you can.
How sad, What a pitiful soul you are, Ill pray for you, to cleanse your evil heart intentions.
karpenter all I ask in the future and request, from you, is to be truthful, and provide facts to answer your comments, and not some preconceived opinions about what you think the Catholic Church teaches.
That you truly, answer with actual Christian Protestant Church facts, or try to the best of your ability, to answer with Christian questions.
This is not an attack on Protestant Christians or your faith, it is a method of understanding our Christian faiths and different understandings of Religion.
karpenter, You and other Protestant OPP Forum members seem to get things wrong, like TexaCan, jack sequim wa, mwdegutis.
The Catholic Church is not the enemy.
Their current behavior and actions is reprehensible attacking the Catholic Church as Pagan and is a religious Cult and attacking me personally.
All they are showing to readers is their narrow mindedness, religious bigotry, religious prejudice and intolerance, comes to mind, more than anything else.
It's almost like an alcoholic or drug addict that needs a religious spiritual intervention.
Many Protestants on this OPP Forum have a very similar attitude and political intolerance as the left wing Democrat party, and their snow-flake derangement syndrome behavior to President Trump. And Trumps masterful campaign slogan "Make America Great Again. What Good Americans, wouldn't want this.
Dare I say it again, Protestant Anti-Catholic intolerance of 500 years and present day snow-flake derangement syndrome behavior. With anti-Catholic misconceived negative sentiments and thinking and say these hateful words, Pagan and is a religious Cult and attacking me personally. .
Protestants don't know or understand the consequences of their hatful speech, and don't think about their actions when calling Catholic Church Pagan and religious cult.
They just think nothing of it, and think they can get away with their anti-Catholic behavior, it's a stereotypical attitude an total double-standard rhetoric and is just pure religious hypocrisy and it's Christian disingenuous.
Protestants don't know or want to know, The Catholic Church has a somewhat complete different and foreign understanding of the Bible than Protestants.
That's because the Catholic Church has 19 centuries or 1,986 years of tradition, biblical scripture history and countless Vatican libraries of Church documents and books to draw upon.
Catholics have a different teaching theology than from Protestants because: e.g.
a. Church Liturgy and teaching,
b. The High Mass Worship vs. the Protestant low Mass,
c. The 7 Sacraments instated by Jesus Christ,
d. Church Governorship or Hierarchy,
e. Papal and Church authority,
f. Traditional and Oral Heritage,
g. 1,986 years of Church cannon instruction and teaching,
The list goes on and on and on.
Many main-line Protestant Churches may only have 500 years of Church history, formation and some present day churches, may have only one year theology and formation due to the 30,000 Protestant Church, fractious divisional aspects and different theologies of Protestant Churches.
Most times they are lucky to get along with themselves, let alone their hated preconceived notions of anti-Catholic Church thoughts and beliefs.
They fight amongst themselves . . .
Mostly its plain Religious ignorance and intolerance and not picking up a book or getting information on the Internet to understand the religious differences.
a. In your answers and comments, please stay on the subject and answer the question at hand,
b. Don't start diverting away from the subject or different tangents of answering the Post Article, and please try not get into too many word semantics discussions.
c. If you don't know something, or don't understand the definition-terminology or Christian theology concept, it's okay to tell me, I don't know the answer.
d. Please don't get so defensive to the question that I ask.
Tell me something, karpenter, What is your Christian background and Christian roots and history ?
How many different churches have you attended and belonged to and what is the present name and affiliation of the Church that you belong to.
Do you have a Pastor, Minister or are they ordained ?
I genuinely and sincerely would like to know, as to your Christian knowledge and Christian education and religious vocational-up brining ?
Or is your Christian up-bringing, is self-taught ?
Kapenter,
I'm a life long cradle-Catholic, and have a well rounded understanding and am knowledgeable about the Bible and own five bibles.
Have many books and digital resources material, the Catholic Catechism, Catholic Apologetics, Cannon Law.
Am an avid reader of the Early Church Fathers their documents pass down, through the centuries and of current Catholic books articles and documents.
Getting back to the OPP Post Article and your response and comment.
Because karpenter, I don't know whether to laugh or cry right now, after reading your comment and your lack of understanding as to what the Post article question actually said.
Passover, Manna and the Eucharist. Your not on alcohol or drugs are you ? Or taking Pycotrophic mind anxiety drugs are you ?
Do you even understand the Article's question and the intention of what I asked you about the Holy Eucharist Sacraments precepts, and your unintelligent answer and comment ?
Tell me something karpenter, why do Protestants Christians never truthfully answer a Catholic Christian question, and always get evasive to the answer and blindly come up with a biblical scriptural passage. ? And think they have answered the question ?
This is not a trick question or "Got-Ya" answer to the question.
"Do you follow Holy Eucharist Sacrament Precepts," ? Or is It Just A Meer Protestantism Symbolism ?
So please try your best to answer the questions that I ask.
Really think about this karpenter, pray and discern about when you receiving the Holy Eucharist at mass communion.
1. karpenter, What is the actual significance of what Jesus Christ taught, commanded. Jesus actual teaching on the Sacrament the Holy Eucharist ?
2. karpenter, Do you understand Jesus Christ's "God's" new and everlasting and final sacrificial paschal covenant and Christian significance of the Eucharist sacrifice ?
3. karpenter, Do you understand what Jesus, the institution of the Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, that Jesus commanded all Christians perform ?
karpenter, really I think you should pray and then sleep on this question before answering the question again.
4. karpenter, where is your Christian education foundation in your beliefs on Holy Communion the Eucharist ? And the actual teachings of Jesus Christ on this subject ?
5. What were Jesus Christ actual instruction and teaching on the Eucharist, to his 12 Apostles teaching, the Early Church Patristic Fathers Teaching, by the teachings Popes, Bishops,
Priests, Deacons Monks and Friars and so forth ?
6. karpenter, what was the significance of the Holy Eucharist (Body and Blood) his "soul and divinity," and the Sacramental precepts when you receive the Lord at communion ?
Myself included and Catholics OPP Forum readers and most Christians, "can-not" conceive and have a hard time, understanding your response to the article title: e.g.
karpenter, Do you follow and understand the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist and precepts ? Or is It Just A Meer Protestantism Symbolism ?
7. karpenter, Are you feeling Christian morally well, and have the mental capacity to understand the basic Christian concept, the Christian theology and doctrinal significance of the
Holy Eucharist instituted by Jesus Christ ?
8. karpenter, do you understand, this is a true Human sacrifice by Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and the omission of sins and why Jesus reason to save all people of their sins ?
9. karpenter, do you understand, the Eucharist sacrifice during the mass and what we receive at communion, "Is-Not the same animal sacrifice in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem of
Jesus 1st century.
The Jewish people can-not perform and offer a sin-animal sacrifice any more hence it's a dead religion as was the Pharaoh religion practiced by the Egyptians when his first born son died it became a dead religion.
10. karpenter, Do you know and understand the significance of Hebrew and Israelite and priestly sin-Animal sacrifices at the Jewish temples ?
The Eucharist has no analogy or anything to do with the Old Testament Israelites-Jewish peoples or about the "Angel of death-Passover" and the Jewish sadder meal and "Lamb Sacrifice" by Moses and the ten plagues committed by God on the Egyptian Pharaoh and Egyptian people.
Other than that Jesus Christ was the most pure sacrifice or was the innocent paschal jewish sacrifice, Because Jesus was Jewish, and the sin's of one persons would save all the Jewish people. This is what the Scribes, the Pharisee, the Sadducees and the Jewish High priest thought and practiced.
11. Tell me something karpenter, what you know, of the Gods instructions to Moses and Arron, from the Torah the "Book of Exodus" and how God command the Jewish people to
commemorate the "Angel of death" Passover ?
Thats what the historical roots of the Passover is and is still commemorated by the Jewish and is about their freedom.
12. And karpenter, what is the significance of sacrifice of lamb's blood on the lentil door beam, as the "Angel of death" "Passover" the the Hebrew-Israelite people in the Land of
Egypt roughly in 1,550 B.C. ?
13. Karpenter, In the New Testament Gospels; e.g. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts of the Apostles. Can you tell me what the paschal sacrifice is of the Christian mass is ?
14. Karpenter, what is the significance of the gospels and Eucharist remembered and commemorated during the Christian Mass ?
15. Karpenter, what is the significance and difference of the Last supper of Jesus Christ on Holy Thursday and the Jewish Passover celebration practiced by Jews? Jesus was a Jew !
16. karpenter, so what is the analogy of the Manna from heaven in the Old Testament and what Jesus said: "Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will
never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
John 6:35
17. So karpenter, in your reply and comment are you Protestant religiously schizophrenic ?
karpenter, because when you say one thing e.g. "As Long As We All Realize This Communion Commemorates The Passover, Which Is What It Is Then We're Doing It Right.
karpenter, then you say, the complete opposite statement: e.g. And say, "And Has Zero To Do With The Passover."
karpenter, Duhhh, what's wrong with you, and your protestant religious Christian thinking . . . Have you lost your mind ? Can't you read what I posted ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Karpenter, the Last Super discourse and the beginning of Jesus institution of the Sacrament of the Eucharist began here while they celebrated the jewish passover.
karpenter you are confused what you read and have lost all religious understanding. On the Jewish passover celebration is,
Since Jesus was a practicing Jew, and the 12 Apostles were all Jews, and it was the historical time in Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover.
It was the Hebrew-Israelites calendar tine to celebrate the Jewish passover and festival commemorating the traditional Seder meal of the Jewish peoples freedom from the Egyptians and the "Angel of death Passover"
karpenter wrote:
br br As Long As We All Realize This Communion C... (show quote)
Sep 15, 2018 05:12:39 #
I'm Not Confused, You've Lost Your Marbles
And I'm Not Reading Miles Of Copy- Paste Text
I Don't Even Know You Read Yourself
Because You Refuse To Summarize Anything
Because Maybe You Can't
What Did My Post Say That Makes Me Confused ??
I Explained Why Manna Has Nothing To Do With
'This Do In Remembrance Of Me'
And You Are Confused
That The Manna Episode Is The Same
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.
bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
He's Giving A Sermon, For Crying Out Loud ^ ^ ^
And I'm Not Reading Miles Of Copy- Paste Text
I Don't Even Know You Read Yourself
Because You Refuse To Summarize Anything
Because Maybe You Can't
Quote:
No Kidding ??Since Jesus was a practicing Jew, and the 12 Apostles were all Jews, and it was the historical time in Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover.
It was the Hebrew-Israelites calendar tine to celebrate the Jewish passover and festival commemorating the traditional Seder meal of the Jewish peoples freedom from the Egyptians and the "Angel of death Passover"
It was the Hebrew-Israelites calendar tine to celebrate the Jewish passover and festival commemorating the traditional Seder meal of the Jewish peoples freedom from the Egyptians and the "Angel of death Passover"
What Did My Post Say That Makes Me Confused ??
I Explained Why Manna Has Nothing To Do With
'This Do In Remembrance Of Me'
And You Are Confused
That The Manna Episode Is The Same
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.
bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
He's Giving A Sermon, For Crying Out Loud ^ ^ ^
Sep 15, 2018 05:25:11 #
You have Protestant derangement syndrome and need to be on medication.
You have lost every marble in your head.
Your a Protestant “Snow Flake “
Again you have Protestant derangement syndrome.
Say Ten our fathers for your sins
You have lost every marble in your head.
Your a Protestant “Snow Flake “
Again you have Protestant derangement syndrome.
Say Ten our fathers for your sins
karpenter wrote:
I'm Not Confused, You've Lost Your Marbles br And ... (show quote)
Sep 15, 2018 05:41:09 #
Doc110 wrote:
You have Protestant derangement syndrome and need to be on medication.
You have lost every marble in your head.
Your a Protestant “Snow Flake “
Again you have Protestant derangement syndrome.
Say Ten our fathers for your sins
You have lost every marble in your head.
Your a Protestant “Snow Flake “
Again you have Protestant derangement syndrome.
Say Ten our fathers for your sins
Unless you can say anything regiously coherent and stop your nonsense mixed ramblings, combining your notions of the old and new testaments and taking everything out of religious context.
Manna, the Passover and the Eucharist ignoring what the article was all about.
“Do you follow the Holy Sacrament precepts or is it Meer Protestant symbolism
Then all I can say is how confused you are and that you have completely lost it in your brain.
You have Protestant derangement syndrome and need to seek help from your pastor immediately,
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