Airforceone

Trump Campign promise:
I will re-negotiate a multi lateral trade agreement called T***s Pacific Partnership. Trump claimed he was a great negotiator and as we know now Trumps advisors had advised him against it. So Trump through his ignorance did not understand how a trade agreement works afterall he was smart he told us he was smart. But he had to pacify his base so ignore his advisors and instead of Re-Negotiate TPP he just withdrew. What a great negotiator he turned out to be.

WHAT IS TPP:
The most ambitious free trade agreement ever attempted. 12 countries aimed at economic ties and National Security among all 12 nation’s. ( The problem was Trump got confused and did not understand open trade and how it would boost economic growth and open new markets for US investors not only in the financial market but also goods and services.
Trump constantly dewells on Jobs lost, but totally ignores jobs gained, TPP will add at first $437 billion in trade between 12 nation’s, net loss to the US $123 Billion in US exports. So Trump to pacify his base knew that his base would not miss something we did not have. TPP was expected to grow over the first 10 years and these numbers would have doubled.

WHAT TPP EXIT MEANS FOR THE US
US businesses will loose access to potential new markets. Trump being totally out of touch US companies will not shut down because they still have the US market. But with the US not invovled with TPP, US companies are now expanding in these TPP countries to sell there products in the member nations with no tariffs. If the US wants to export to these countries there using the same figure as Trump 25% tariff. So by withdrawing the business community feels that Trump is detached from reality that goods are sold cheaper because there from overseas, but he lacks the basic understanding the US also benefits from trade deals making trillions of dollars selling there own products. Now that’s gone in the T***s Pacific without the US paying a 25% tariff.

K*****g TPP has undermined the US in the eyes of US Asian allies and now with Trump they can’t rely on the US which now effects National Security because these nations now and in the future cannot trust Trump. These nations spent 4 1/2 years of negotiations changing laws and legislation within there country in order to meet the pay scale, environmental conditions, working conditions, and Trump just withdrew without any warning or an attempt to re-negotiate. It’s sad

WHAT IT MEANS TO CHINA
China was not part of the original 12 nation’s so when the US withdrew China was very eager to sign on and was reported they were dancing in the hallways.

Now China was only to happy to begin and negotiate all regional trade deals in the T***s Pacific and the US is now blocked from all the negotiations.

China now with there control over TPP has expanded to include South east Asia, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, India. Now not only with our allies China is taking advantage of Trumps protectionism to also boost ties with US allies like the Philippines And Malaysia. To simplify this for Trump supporters the US had the lead Horse, China’s horse was in the barn and that’s where Obama wanted it. Well the great negotiator put the US horse out to pasture and China’s horse is running at break neck speed and alienating the US from our Asian Pacific Allies.

The US withdrawal represents a loss of exports to 16 nation’s, China now controls all trade in the T***s Pacific, this is how the great negotiator works. (JUST WITHDRAW) No wonder he went bankrupt 4 times and divorced twice.
What’s baffling to me is why would Trump withdraw from a multi lateral Trade agreement that accounts for 40% of the worlds GDP and open the door for China to fill the gap and along the way Trump alienating our allies. (SO TRUMP NEVER LISTENED TO GENERAL McMASTERS THAT NOT STAYING INVOVLED WITH INTERNATIONAL TRADE NEGOTIATIONS IT WILL EFFECT NATIONAL SECURITY) Well are allies in the T***s Pacific rim and Europe are not very happy and we know What Trump is doing to Canada and Mexico.

EFFECT ON AMERICAN MANUFACTORING
American manufactorers will still make products to sell within the US. But the manufactures are not going to sit on the sidelines and not get invovled with 40% of the worlds GDP.
What they will do now is expand there manufactoring into the member nations and be able to sell there products duty free. And not expand in the US. And guess what country is only to happy to open the door for US to enter. (CHINA)

Now Trumpsters will say these manufactor will leave anyway but to a certain extent you’re correct but never did a Trumpster look at the other side of the coin as to the number of jobs created when manufactor expand they just look at the Trump negatives.

Trump is having a sh$t fit over Mexico because now they will be importing parts from the TPP member nations which will k**l jobs in the US that’s why he wants to re-negotiate NAFTA with Mexico and ignore Canada. So Mexico was thrilled with Trump removing regulations because there is no agency to regulate anything that Mexico imports or exports. Trump abolished that agency. It took Mexico 3 hours to sign Trumps new Trade agreement. No counter offer from Mexico just signed and sent back to the US. All these trade wars because The Master negotiator ignored the advice of his trade advisors and National security advisors.
(OH BY THE WAY WHEN MEXICO WAS ONLY TO HAPPY TO SIGN ON TRUMPS TRADE DEAL, TRUMP GOT PANNICKED AND NEEDED AN EXCUSE NOT TO FINALIZE SO HE USED CANADA AND WANTED CANADA TO Sign AND GAVE THEM A DEADLINE OF 1 WEEK AND THAT WAS 4 WEEKS AGO. It has been nothing but crickets from the Trump White House. Where did this agreement go.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Your "open-minded" debate seems pretty one-sided to me with a lot of Trump-bashing thrown in for good measure.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Well you have the chance now to make it a 2 sided issue.

Did Trump have an active part in what took place?
Could it be that the t***h of the matter hurts?

If Trump leaves it to his advisers the mess may get worked out.

Just saying that opening the issue is one sided is coming from you.
Trump by his actions opened the issue.
With his one sided view of the issue.

It was asking to explain what is good of what Trump did or at least to offer what needs to be done now to reverse what has been done.
Seeing how you answered the post.
I say it falls on you to deny it with reasonable logic or defend Trumps actions with reasonable logic.

I will hang around to see what you have to say,.

vernon

Lets just get the facts straight one of trumps campaign promises was to k**l tpp and another thing he saved at least 2.5 million jobs .
now he probably cost some rich guys a few million but that's all right.And your damn right he has a one sided view and its all American and
that's what counts.And as far as an active part just remember he is the only part that counts.

Airforceone

That’s not the intent we have to use Trump because he is the one withdrawing from trade agreement and signing these EO on tariffs. Maybe it’s my perception on trade agreements but in every trade agreement there’s positives and negatives and what I am trying to find out is if the Trumpsters are looking at Trade agreements on the negative end when Trump speaks negative on these agreements.

So have at it please

Airforceone

Yes Trump had an active part he is the one that signed the EO to increase tariffs. Using National security concerns when he increased tariffs on Canadian steel. Well the Defence department answered that the military or there outside contractors use 99% of US steel. Where’s the National security issue. I don’t think Canada is attacking or invading the US anytime soon.

The President has the sole responsibility to negotiate trade deals and sign it. Once he signs it Congress cannot ratify it or add amendments all they can do is an up or down v**e. Reagan signed that bill in 1986.

Trump has never given any reason except Jobs lost or manufactor leaving. But never mentions jobs gained. NAFTA only accounts for 2.4% of our GDP this agreement means nothing. Besides what trump has done is he took US policy incorporated in TPP and nogiated it with Mexico. For example the requirement was to raise US manufactored parts to be raised from 65.2% to 75% it’s pennies it means nothing. He nogiated a minimum wage that at least 40% of Mexicans labor on Automobiles are required to pay a minimum wage of $16.00 an hour this is a no brainer for Automaker in Mexico because they already pay $12 per hour for a beginner. They already pay more than $16 an hour to over 85% of there Employees. But what Mexico loved is Trump deregulated and removed the council that overseas these countries that c***t. So what good did it do. I am trying to get answers.

How can withdrawing from TPP be a positive in Trump having full authority to Re-Negotiate it. He just opened a door and allowed China to take the lead and China has. They have expanded it to 16 nation’s and another 2 are about to sign. Also now Germany is interested. How can an agreement that took 4 1/2 years to negotiate and at this time 16 nation’s have signed. Is it that bad that Trump choose to just withdraw and not stay involved.

Besides it is congress that approves Trade agreement and Trump has to go through Congress to repeal it. His trade agreement with Mexico will not pass. He wants to repeal NAFTA he does not have the v**es.
He was able to withdraw from TPP because Congress never v**ed for it.

Nothing makes sense so please help me to understand why.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Where dose the money come from to pay the tariffs?
Where dose that money end up?

Who gains & who pays?
Well I say we the general public pay.

It is trying to turn inter nation trade in to a win lose game.
I fail to see any real gain for the general public out of all or this.

We pay the increase price of imports.
Or we pay the increased costs of domestic products.
Who then have less competitive prices from imports.

If only we had a place to escape to until the madness of it all ended.

TrueAmerican

There is you can move to any foreign country you desire as you are clearly not American in your heart !!!!!!

Airforceone

I agree this is crazy. When it was reported by General Mattis that Trump wanted to repeal the Trade agreement with South Korea, and remove all Troops. Mattis tried hard to explain the advantages of trade with South Korea but Trump could not understand the complexity of Trade. So Mattis flat out told him if you do this it will create WWIII. So Trade is also a National security issue

Money is paid for by the country that is importing to our country so when a 25% tariff is levied on a country the price of goods go up so a tariff is nothing but a tax on consumers. But what you have to understand is when the US export goods to Canada they levy a tariff on us so nobody wins. (Trade war) It’s just another method of taxation and the consumers gets screwed.
What we need to understand is, it’s loose loose there’s no winner when you levy a tariff it creates trade wars. Both countries or member countries pay more for goods.

That’s why we have trade agreements to prevent these trade wars on tariffs.

This is a manufactored Crisis by Trump. He needs to raise funds to offset his deficit due to his wealthy tax cuts. So he cannot raise taxes that would destroy his talking points and he would loose his base so the next easy way to raise funds is tariffs. If he levies these tariffs he could conceivably raise $122 Billion in funds that would lower his deficit numbers but who pays this $122 billion the tax payer. It’s a tax on the poor and middle class.

The US lost jobs to automation not NAFTA, we are loosing our manufacturing jobs to Robots. But Trump never mentions the innovation as it relates to job loose.

These trade agreements have been negotiated for the last hundred years. We loose jobs we gain jobs.

So let’s look at total trade in the US
Total US trade in 2017 was $5.2 Trillion
Exports. $2.3 trillion
Imports. $2.9 trillion

Now every year these numbers fluctuate depending on the world economy.

For example Mexico has a population of 144 million people, the US has 324 million people who buys more stuff. Now the US economy is doing great so who is buying more stuff. Now if the US economy goes in decline we stop buying stuff. So the trade deficit decreases. So in some cases trade deficits are good because the US economy is doing great.

I was in business for 28 years 165 employees and the years that I made the most money were the years I paid the most taxes. So I was only to happy to pay a high tax rate I was making a fortune.

Trade agreement encourage unrestricted flow of goods and services at a affordable price.
Eliminates child labor, raises wages to a living standard in member countries, it gives education, healthcare, economic growth, protects American innovation on patterns.
It eliminates world poverty. Promotes allies and relationships with member countries. All in the interest of national security.

Trade agreements as far as job loss/Gains the US started tracking this in 2013. It accounted for over 11 million jobs in the US. Through 2013 to 2016 an additional 125,000 jobs were created. Since the trade wars were created no actual data is available but all indications are that number is going in the wrong direction and trade deficits have actually increased under Trump.

Total trade deficit around the world for the US is $502 billion. Now Trump is attacking Canada with tariffs and our trade deficit is only $18 billion, but our trade deficit with China was $375 billion. China makes up 63% of our deficit. Canada makes up 3%. So instead of Trump going into negotiations with China he starts levying tariffs, so what does China do they levy tariffs on the US. ( Trade war)

The reason for trade agreement is to remove tariffs not increase them.

When Obama negotiated this through TPP China wanted nothing to do with TPP because of restrictions on Child labor, wages, Healthcare, forced labor camps, environmental issues. So through TPP the US would have more avenues for affordable goods and not import from China.

(WHY WOULD HE JUST WALK AWAY ITS CRAZY)
If you want a better deal negotiate not withdraw from billions in trade.

When Trump withdrew China jumped right in. They were thrilled they could not believe the US would just walk away from the T***s Pacific with Trade between 12 nation’s which has grown to 16 nation’s and 3 more countries ready to sign on. TPP could be as big as the WTO. And the US is blocked out from any negotiations. Trump wants to walk away from the WTO which has 164 nation’s. Trump is trying to levy tariffs on the UK

I have read many trade agreements there very difficult to understand but a simple way of putting it is this way. I am just taking one product cloths, Mexico makes the clothing and exports to the US. But the US makes the fabric that Mexico uses to make the cloths. But Trump just uses Jobs lost of stitching these cloths together and does not take into consideration of making and manufacturing of the fabric.

A few years back a friend of mine mentioned that apparel was labeled made in America and he clearly showed me that these cloths were made in Mexico and imported to the US. But I did the reseach because this appeared to be a bad deal. But it wasn’t. So is that label legal when the fabric was manufactured in the US. ????????. Jobs lost were low paying jobs forcstitching but actual manufactoring created higher paying jobs through innovation and automations.

Trade agreements are very complex that’s why it takes years of negotiations there’s a lot of give and take.

The US has multi lateral trade agreements with over 230 nation’s around the world and Trump leads us to believe that he can do bi-Lateral agreements with all these nations it would take 50 years to accomplish this not to mention the cost and loss of trade while these negotiations are on going. Like I said you just don’t make a trade agreement overnight.

He did with Mexico and Mexico was only to happy to sign because it meant nothing to Mexico’s bottom line . But Mexico accomplished a major factor it would SHUT UP TRUMP FROM HIS CHILDISH FACTS.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Thank you for expressing the issue so well.

Smedley_buzkill

Trump started out with about 200 million dollars of inheritance. He turned it into about 4 billion. In other words, twenty times what he started with. How did your last business do, assuming you ever owned one?

http://rooseveltinstitute.org/why-tpp-bad-deal-america-and-american-workers/

Airforceone

He withdrew from TPP but lost 56,000 jobs

Airforceone

He went bankrupt 4 times and came back by laundering money for the Russians. They have been g***ming Trump for 20 Yesrs.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I think you need to take a closer look at the dealings & ethics used in a massing that fortune.
There is a list of court cases & failed businesses that can provide clues to how much of this took place.
It is not one of a person with sound moral standards.

I say you need to look at others that have played the get rich game.
With how they got the money & how they use it to get more.
Like buying politicans.

Then there is the big issue of not being born in a black family of former s***es.

Airforceone

WTF are you talking about Trump went bankrupt 4 times. The Russians bailed him out because they needed a way to launder billions.