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Sep 15, 2018 10:22:08   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
There is warming. But man making Co2 Inc is not the cause.


I hear you.

I feel & see the effects of the warming.
If there is even the littlest chance that what man kind is doing has an effect on warming we need to do some thing about it.

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Sep 15, 2018 10:23:40   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I hear you.

I feel & see the effects of the warming.
If there is even the littlest chance that what man kind is doing has an effect on warming we need to do some thing about it.


What are you going to do about it?
I'm going to laugh and drive all I want.

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Sep 15, 2018 10:35:15   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
What are you going to do about it?
I'm going to laugh and drive all I want.


I am please to see your in a better mood today.

I hope you live in an area that is high enough above sea level & far enough from the sea shores to be safe.

I think you need to stay a way from wet lands & rivers also.
Stay away down stream from any dams.
When you are driving be care full driving through water.
It may even be best to take the longer way around.

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Sep 15, 2018 11:00:14   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I hear you.

I feel & see the effects of the warming.
If there is even the littlest chance that what man kind is doing has an effect on warming we need to do some thing about it.


WE couldn't stop it at this point even if it were caused by man. The cycle is turned and now has momentum. Now, as warming continues, methane is going to be released in huge amounts. It is 25 times more of a green house gas than CO2. I think.

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Sep 15, 2018 11:25:05   #
Mikeyavelli
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
WE couldn't stop it at this point even if it were caused by man. The cycle is turned and now has momentum. Now, as warming continues, methane is going to be released in huge amounts. It is 25 times more of a green house gas than CO2. I think.


All bullmueller. We are methane, we are Co2, we are nothing more than what has been here for as long as matter existed.
The weather has no obligations to us and we have none for the weather.

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Sep 15, 2018 12:50:27   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
WE couldn't stop it at this point even if it were caused by man. The cycle is turned and now has momentum. Now, as warming continues, methane is going to be released in huge amounts. It is 25 times more of a green house gas than CO2. I think.



Cows give off methane.

You are right on with the thawing of permafrost way to much will be released at once.

If only there we away to capture most of it if could be used as fuel.

I have been playing with thoughts in my mind in how to deal with the issue.

We can use the oceans & seas to both heat & cool the planet.

It would have to be done to balance th over all temperatures in the bodies of water.

Cooling the surface by bring up colder water from below to cool the suface in areas where hurricanes form.
Only a couple of degrees would make a big impact on weaking hurricanes.
It could even be done during winter months.
Ships that have pumps to lay a layer of colder water on the suface or spray a mist when air temperature is lower than the water temperature.

This could mean an over all warming of the ocean as it is just a replacement of the water.

To balance the over all posible warming efffect of the water.
Creating snow fall in the artic would help cool the artic regions.

Using salt water to make snow.
Needs to have the impact of how salt in the snow will act.

I think it has been shown that the artic regions are warming faster than other areas.
So any help we give to cooling will have a reasonable impact on the area.

The cost of this could all be covered by money saved from less destructive storms in the Atlantic.
We have the types of ships & pumps needed now.

Snow is made in many place.

Small trial runs can be done with out huge sums of money.
There would be an economic gain in related industries.

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Sep 15, 2018 14:28:09   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
All bullmueller. We are methane, we are Co2, we are nothing more than what has been here for as long as matter existed.
The weather has no obligations to us and we have none for the weather.


i'll take that to mean you agree with me.

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Sep 15, 2018 14:30:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Cows give off methane.

You are right on with the thawing of permafrost way to much will be released at once.

If only there we away to capture most of it if could be used as fuel.

I have been playing with thoughts in my mind in how to deal with the issue.

We can use the oceans & seas to both heat & cool the planet.

It would have to be done to balance th over all temperatures in the bodies of water.

Cooling the surface by bring up colder water from below to cool the suface in areas where hurricanes form.
Only a couple of degrees would make a big impact on weaking hurricanes.
It could even be done during winter months.
Ships that have pumps to lay a layer of colder water on the suface or spray a mist when air temperature is lower than the water temperature.

This could mean an over all warming of the ocean as it is just a replacement of the water.

To balance the over all posible warming efffect of the water.
Creating snow fall in the artic would help cool the artic regions.

Using salt water to make snow.
Needs to have the impact of how salt in the snow will act.

I think it has been shown that the artic regions are warming faster than other areas.
So any help we give to cooling will have a reasonable impact on the area.

The cost of this could all be covered by money saved from less destructive storms in the Atlantic.
We have the types of ships & pumps needed now.

Snow is made in many place.

Small trial runs can be done with out huge sums of money.
There would be an economic gain in related industries.
Cows give off methane. br br You are right on wit... (show quote)


I think you underestimate the sheer magnitude of the issue of warming and cooling the atmosphere.

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Sep 16, 2018 08:32:22   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Look. GW is happening, no doubt. But the CO2 rise after the climate warming cannot be explained and contradicts a man made cause. Simple as that. The other lines of evidence have some merit, but are struck down by this one item. It is a true monkey in the wrench, as we ignorant say.

If it cannot be resolved, man made g****l w*****g has no leg to stand on.

It is what it is.

Thus, I back any move to stop investing in CO2 reductions on the basis of made caused g****l w*****g. In fact, by doing so, we could be upsetting a natural phenom. Probably not, but hey, who knows.
Look. GW is happening, no doubt. But the CO2 ris... (show quote)


Yes it is what the carbon based fuel sellers wish it to be.
Yes I burn natural gas to heat my house & I have lights & T.V.s & lots of things that use electricity.
I have replaced most of my light bulbs with less energy using bulbs.
I drive a gas power car a few times a week but for far less miles than many.

I know that what I do will always have an impact on the system.

As GW rises the costs of basic needs will just keep rising.
Causing us to change our habits to control our cost.

But to turn a blind eye to mans impact on GW is a mistake.
Our atmosphere is changing & we need to keep it as clean as we are able too.

On this planet we live on we need to be aware of every thing going on that affects the balances needed for a healthy planet.

To be on the safe side I think we need to make adjustments before they are made for us.

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Sep 16, 2018 08:42:35   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I think you underestimate the sheer magnitude of the issue of warming and cooling the atmosphere.


But I do take in to account the power & ability of man kind to do what is needed.
To help the planet over come the negative impact man kind has made on nature.

Along with helping nature to do it's job.

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Sep 16, 2018 08:48:48   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
But I do take in to account the power & ability of man kind to do what is needed.
To help the planet over come the negative impact man kind has made on nature.

Along with helping nature to do it's job.

Bullmueller. We didn't do anything to the planet. We are the planet, you and your altruistic lefties justuse it as a tool to curb the growth of America.
I m so glad Trump isn't contributing to the demise of his own country.
Straight talk and no bullmueller. That's why Trump got elected.

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Sep 16, 2018 09:53:37   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Bullmueller. We didn't do anything to the planet. We are the planet, you and your altruistic lefties justuse it as a tool to curb the growth of America.
I m so glad Trump isn't contributing to the demise of his own country.
Straight talk and no bullmueller. That's why Trump got elected.


Well there were some political actions that are under review that aided in getting Trump elected.
Republican actions in gerrymandering have made a big impact on the out come in controlling the House of Representatives.

A basic part of the e*******l college is based on House of Representatives.
Gerrymandering allows Red States to elect more House Republicans.
Allowing Republicans a greater advantage in government.

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Sep 16, 2018 10:28:44   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Well there were some political actions that are under review that aided in getting Trump elected.
Republican actions in gerrymandering have made a big impact on the out come in controlling the House of Representatives.

A basic part of the e*******l college is based on House of Representatives.
Gerrymandering allows Red States to elect more House Republicans.
Allowing Republicans a greater advantage in government.


Yes let's keep the constitutional e*******l college in place to preserve our Republic.

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Sep 16, 2018 11:20:07   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I think you underestimate the sheer magnitude of the issue of warming and cooling the atmosphere.


The point is that it is warming the most in Artic areas.
While becoming warmer in other areas.

We do have the means to aid in the heating & or cooling on a selective basis.

The warming in the Artic areas is melting the snow & ice in ever growing volume.
The warming in the Oceans is a part of more & stronger hurricanes.

We lose nothing when we think of options we may have to use to change what we see.

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Sep 16, 2018 11:37:57   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Yes it is what the carbon based fuel sellers wish it to be.
Yes I burn natural gas to heat my house & I have lights & T.V.s & lots of things that use electricity.
I have replaced most of my light bulbs with less energy using bulbs.
I drive a gas power car a few times a week but for far less miles than many.

I know that what I do will always have an impact on the system.

As GW rises the costs of basic needs will just keep rising.
Causing us to change our habits to control our cost.

But to turn a blind eye to mans impact on GW is a mistake.
Our atmosphere is changing & we need to keep it as clean as we are able too.

On this planet we live on we need to be aware of every thing going on that affects the balances needed for a healthy planet.

To be on the safe side I think we need to make adjustments before they are made for us.
Yes it is what the carbon based fuel sellers wish ... (show quote)


Hey, do what you want, but I'm telling you, it will have zero impact. G****l w*****g is happening and it may continue or not, but man cannot have any impact on it. It will be what it will be.

Now pollution is another thing all together. Reducing things which contribute to fowl and polluted air/water, I generally support.

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