JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Both sides have failed when it comes to healthcare. Makes one think both sides get money from that industry.

Lonewolf

both sides have failed in a lot of things and both sides are owned by big pharma and the insurance industry

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

By rich, I am sure you mean high-earners and there is a difference. And when do you stop Kevyn? At 100% of everyone's earnings? Of course, remove the cap on Social Security & Medicare. When do you stop runaway government spending because as you do say, it's just start. You or your kin can 't stop because you're addicted to spending the public's money.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Sure, if the government doesn't provide it, it never is provided. What did they do for all those years before ACA? JUst like, if government doesn;t provide food stamps, no one eats. If the government doesn't provide education, no one gets educated. If the government doesn't provide roads, no roads get built. If the government doesn't provide ...

Lonewolf

were talking about people who are" buying "their own health care insurance why is the government messing with that because they're bought and paid for by the insurance industry!!

woodguru

They should go back to pre Bush cut levels, levels which by the way were supposed to be temporary, and considering what they did to the economy in terms of debt, deficits, and no discernible benefits, why weren't the levels restored?

On top of pre Bush levels there is a vast array of special interest write offs and subsidies that can go away that benefit wealthy people and corporations. A mortgage cap to write offs is one, $600k or thereabout is all that working class people need government assistance with their home loans, any more than that is a giveaway for the wealthy.

What does a wealthy person with money in the bank do when they have higher interest on a loan? They take money from the bank and they pay it off.

woodguru

Before the ACA people didn't get healthcare, pre existing conditions being the huge driver there. My wife and I were paying $1800 a month for Kaiser prior to the ACA. Our total healthcare bite was over $20k a year out of a taxable income of $50k. My wife's was $900 a month, the first year of the ACA it was $450, and came down to where 2016 was $350. 2017 went (jumped) back to $900, I am on VA care now.

Hell, my wife's is back to $900 and I have to worry about the GOP monkeying up the veteran's administration.

The ACA needed fixes, many of them being oversight that would save billions, and cutting profit related costs of all of the industries that would save tens of billions if not hundreds of billions.

woodguru

At $50k taxable we were paying over $20k in insurance premiums and copays.

Nobody runs spending out of control like the GOP does, and that has been well proven over several cycles...

Obama took a $1.3 Trillion deficit and reduced it to under $500 Billion. That's called reducing spending, had the pre Bush tax levels gone back to where they were before the deficit would have been lowered by exactly the amount that it increased tax revenues.

That dialog right there that the right and the GOP uses is an example of mindless rhetoric that makes no sense. I'm talking about the "we can't raise taxes because dems will be out of control spending it" is wrong and history proves it's wrong.

Clinton raised taxes and created a balanced budget by the end of his terms, and putting on 25 million jobs sort of punches holes in the rhetoric that raising taxes hurts companies and k**ls jobs. My point is that dems after raising taxes did not go out of control spending, they governed responsibly and created a balanced budget.

Bush takes that balanced budget and does a tax cut, all I can say is here's an example of out of control spending...cut taxes and run out of control with spending, Bush ran it out to a $1.3 Trillion deficit.

When you have more money going out is not the time to reduce tax revenues, unless there's an R before your name

Lonewolf

Good post!! If your buried in debt quitting your job won't help!

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

I have no love lost for Big Pharma but realize, that a drug company only has 17 years to rec**p its expenses from drug development and many never make it to market.

woodguru

And then there's the drugs that make them billions of dollars and have no excuse of rec**ping money invested.

Do pharmaceutical companies need subsidies, to rec**p hundreds of millions spent with billions in profits?

Simply look at a companies reported profit earnings and you'll see whether they could be hammered as far as their profits with significantly higher taxes on their profits.

woodguru

There is only one reason cancer drugs cost tens of thousands per dose...because the government is forced to pay their prices without being able to negotiate volume or fair pricing.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Ah yes, there Kevyn - screw over those corporations that so many unions, including teachers & blue collar workers, have invested huge amounts of their retirement funds. Ever think of that. Kevyn?

badbob85037

You really are clueless and have never had to buy insurance. Yes please destroy omama care and obama too. What's it like not having to work for a living and getting free health care, free housing, free food, plus a big check the first of each month. Let me say this again,

My insurance has over doubled since the 'Affordable' Care Act for half the coverage and a deductible that can never be reached.
My insurance has over doubled since the 'Affordable' Care Act for half the coverage and a deductible that can never be reached
My insurance has over doubled since the 'Affordable' Care Act for half the coverage and a deductible that can never be reached
Do U understand? Obama is a useless criminal He never did nothing for me. He never did nothing for you. Ask yourself What did obama do for me? He lowered the maximum sentance for crack rock.

Lonewolf

The cost is going down this year and it could go lower but you have the republican party sabotaging it! The reason you can't kil the aca the American people want it and want you to fix it.