woodguru

They even threw in the dirty word "socialist" which would bias many away from it.

In another aspect FOX pulled some ludicrous number out of their butt of $32 Trillion that this socialist program would cost.

In a shakeup of the for profit medical system it wouldn't cost any more than is going into the system right now. The cost of healthcare right now is the highest per person that has it in the world by thousands of dollars. In a government healthcare for all system there would be a total revamp of the billing system for hospitals and pharmaceutical companies.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

You are full of it,Woody!!!...Where is your link???

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

No link, his word.
Obamacare went up nicely.
https://www.healthpocket.com/healthcare-research/infostat/2018-obamacare-premiums-deductibles

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

woodguru

Which part, the 73%, or the $32 Trillion FOX says medicare for all would cost?

Do you know what $32 Trillion is?

32,000,000,000,000

Figuring 400,000,000 people in the US, Divide $32 Trillion by 400 million people and see how much that is per person. $32 trillion is 32 million - millions, which divided by 400,000,000 would mean that we were spending $8 Million per person. I'm pretty sure someone over at FOX got their commas wrong when doing the math.

I've already heard my first right wingers parroting this $32 Trillion number that was incorrectly spawned by RW media, I simply respond by asking if healthcare is going to cost eight million per person because that's how much money they are talking about. I point out that people need to think about the rhetoric they are hearing and whether it makes any sense before repeating it.

Face it, people from the US (liberals) are simply smarter than you Russians

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I'd be for something modeled after the Canadian system, but I seriously don't think it will happen. Heck, put the insurance companies out of business and you have 500,000 workers dumped onto the work force looking for jobs.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

In a way Obama care is a progressive tax, really wealthy people pay $ 30,000 for family insurance pa. it's only what I heard, I believe it but I don't know for sure, however even then wealthy contributors are still not fully covered they have bills to pay if the use meducal facilities it's a nightmare of paperwork.

Why not just have overall progressive taxation, figure out the average people earn "or get", and have a incremental margin of tax liability applied above the average, I know everyone knows what it is but it's been going in the opposite direction for so long maybe folks have forgotten.

Eisenhower - beginning and end marginal tax rates on regular income over $400 K. 92 % - 91%.

Kennedy - 91% over. $400 K.

Johnson - 91% over. $ 400 K reduced 75.25% and he brought the ceiling down $ 200 K. * that was the beginning of the end of progressive taxation in the US, a Democrat *, more people paying the highest rate while wealthy folks paid much less.

Nixon - the top tax rate continued kick in at incomes $200 K. the 77% was reduced to 70% in his term.

Ford - over $ 200 K - 70%

Carter - the marginal tax rate on regular income over $203,200 went up to $215,400 - 70%. So Carter set the ceiling higher for the top tax bracket by $12,200 meaning wealthy folks paid slightly more tax than the median earners but not very much more. I say that because Kennedy's taxation policy stagnated, but Johnson's was a turning point in the ideology of taxation and Carter tried to reverse that bad decision slightly as a matter of principle.

Reagan - Top Rate on Regular income over $ 215,400 - 69•125% tax rate on incomes over $29,750 - 28%.
Under Reagan the maximum tax rates decreased from 70% to 28% at one point but Reagan change the ceilings a couple of time so Bush inherited a completely different regime and the system itself became very confusing after that. In 2010 it became impossible to distinguish the difference between dividend earnings and wages and most business earnings since then have been taxed through an Independent tax code rather than a Corporate tax code putting employer and employee in the same level.

Bush Top tax rate on incomes over $86,500 was 31% , while thesecond tier ceiling became $ 30,950 taxed at 28 % .

Clinton - income over $288 K 39•6% incomes over $ 250 K - 39•6 % this was the first Flat Tax but the brackets remained in place for future possible changes.

My point is that Trump appears to be trying to reverse the Monetarist policy of Milton Friedman which is a 'trickle down approach' incorporated with free trade.

By applying a Monetarist policy which is a 'trickle down approach' incorporated with protectionist trade arrangements.

It's still supply side economics and probably will be a disaster.

The idea would be for Trump to use his popular appeal to increase taxes and have universal Medicare, this is what young people want.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

woodguru

The year before Obamacare my wife and I had a claimed income of $50k (self employed), Our Kaiser was $1800 ($850/$950) a year, plus copays for medications. $20k out of our after tax money is a ridiculous amount for insurance. It's over 40%, so how bad a burden is $30k to a family making over $200k? It's 15% of their income, as a person's wealth goes up it's even less, the person making several million a year is still going to be paying the top rate that might be $30k a year.

The year the ACA took effect I had gone to VA care as I couldn't see paying $950 a month anymore. My wife paid $450 a month, and by 2016 it was $350 a month. Now it is back to $900 a month and headed up from there. This is over $10,000 a year, that is a lot of money. This kind of cost will mean millions of people can't afford healthcare, and the GOP is quickly going back to cheaper junk plans being legal that are worthless when you need them.

Everyone in this country is going to know someone who lost healthcare because they can't afford it, or finds themselves looking at cost prohibitive rates due to pre existing conditions. Everyone will have known people who lost houses because of the cost of cancer and heart attacks even when they thought they were covered.

woodguru

That doesn't support $32 Trillion

Healthcare for all will cost less than the military does.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Link to your mystery site.

pafret Loc: Northeast

You have failed to factor in the enormous increase in Federal Employment at the nations favorite agency, the IRS. Anything costing a buuck top produice in private industry ayutomatically costs a thousand in government. They are just that good! Medicl costs aren't even a cost item.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

We seem to be in agreement, I got my $ 30,000 figure from hearsay, thanks for confirming it, medical concerns are a big part of a bigger picture, and as far as I can figure out, the mind set of Americans about the big picture is a bipartisanship on only 2 subjects C*******m an Muslims, suerly there must be other areas where a broad antipathy can be arrive at.

Because supporters of laissez-fair medical care just brand Universal Health Care as a C****e plot to benefit the Lumpkin Proletariat, Stalin never had a problum with the Lumpkins I cant for the life of them understand it.

I also think that there can be much worse systems than Obama Care, like you said one minute your fine so you opt-out because you can't afford it, then you have to sell your house just to get the help you need from people working in a system that was put in place by great sacrifice which only rarely is evident coming from the people that the system presently employs.

Trump's ideas are worse in many ways than death duties, because death duties only took part of the value of the home from your surviving spouse and, even so, that was negated in many cases by progressive governments by deferring duties payable until your spouse no longer needed the house, I can remember death duties were abused by revenue seeking State Governments and instead of changing the system it was easier to use the animosity created by death duties to abolish them, which sent property values through the roof.

December 2016 was when Trump took office so your saying in the past 20 months your medical insurance has gone up astronomically, I can't really work out how your Plan + copayments is $18 K in say "before" (I'm not sure) 2013 and of now in 2018 is $10 K, after going down to $4,200 in 2013 when the ACA took effect I'm not sure but I use 2013 and couple them up with Obama Care as it was a law by Obama to keep costs proportionally the same for all-time.

My problum with that is apparently there has been since Trump took office this massive increase where the cost of Obama Care has gone up to being half as expensive as pre Obama Care and pre the Affordable Care Act, an Act is supposed to be a Statute meaning a direct order to be implemented and not changed, I know the ACA has been repealed but that's only recently.

I agree $10 K is far too much out of a $50K income, it's the most expensive in the Developed World, Australia is below Canada, Switzerland and Germany but still we know people who go to the Phillipines for mainly Dental and Optical needs, but now I hear about Aussies going over for Operations.

Australian Private and Public health care budget is 9•9 % of GDP.

US Health Care budget Private and Public is 17.9 %of GDP. that's $10,343 per capita.

Holdenbeach4u Loc: Holden Beach , NC

I do not believe one second the Fox News will find that 73% want FREE Medicare for all.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Have been asking for a link for 24 hours, believe it's made up in his little mind.