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Aug 24, 2018 19:59:12   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
These Obama programs are subsidizing jobs and job training. They only work while the subsidies are being paid. Taking money from taxpayers to "create" jobs is not a long term solution.

Note that all this doom and gloom is based not on what is happening or has happened, but on predictions of what they believe (or at least want you to believe) will occur due to Trump policies.

Instead of looking at news reports of what is supposedly about to happen in the country, or even looking official figures like GDP going down under Obama and up under Trump; how bout looking at what is right in front of your eyes. During the 2nd Obama term, many businesses closed and half the stores in strip malls were boarded up. For sale signs were on numerous lawns. Many people worked in lower paying jobs than they use to, or two part time jobs.

In the past year, closed businesses have been reopening. Board coming off windows and repairs to dilapidated business buildings. Downtown areas blossoming. More people working real jobs NOT paid for by taxpayers. Companies expanding and giving raises. New building construction sites popping up.
These Obama programs are subsidizing jobs and job ... (show quote)



Lets hold our breath and see what happens..

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Aug 24, 2018 21:28:53   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/freedom-press/donald-trump-thinks-freedom-press-d********g


Below we provide a running list of attacks that the president has made on the press since assuming office. We’ll keep this list updated since, unfortunately, we don’t expect them to stop.

Trump has:

Presided over a Justice Department investigation in which years' worth of email and phone records belonging to a New York Times reporter were seized in connection with a leak investigation.

Threatened to change libel laws to make it easier to sue publishers and news organizations following the release of an unflattering book.

Threatened legal action against a journalist and publisher over a book that includes critical statements about him.

Demanded the Washington Post fire a reporter over an inaccurate tweet about the crowd size at a Trump rally, which the reporter apologized for and deleted.

Urged people to sue ABC News over a retracted report, which Trump claimed caused the stock market to fall and investors to lose money.

On the day that Russia enacted restrictions on foreign news outlets, tweeted: “CNN International is still a major source of (F**e) news, and they represent our Nation to the WORLD very poorly. The outside world does not see the t***h from them!” He then called for a contest between CNN and other outlets, apart from Fox, to see which has “the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me).”

Said it is “frankly d********g the way the press is able to write wh**ever they want to write” in a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Threatened to cancel the broadcast licenses of media companies that offer negative coverage of him.
Trump Tweet

Had the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, call on ESPN to fire Jemele Hill for criticizing him.

Tweeted mocking images of him wrestling a CNN reporter and his campaign hitting a CNN reporter with a train.

Overseen a Justice Department review of policies for subpoenaing media organizations in an effort to crack down on both whistleblowers and journalists. As of November 2017, investigations of leaks by the department reportedly grew 800 percent under Jeff Sessions.

Pledged to “fight the #F**eNews” with a Polish leader hostile to press freedom.

Attacked reporters while speaking with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has fostered a climate of violence against journalists.

Said that his mission to “drain the swamp” begins “with the F**e News!”
Trump Tweet

Reportedly asked then-FBI Director James Comey to jail reporters who publish classified information.

Tasked his former chief of staff with looking into changing the country’s libel laws.

Explored the prosecution of WikiLeaks for publishing CIA and State Department materials.

Labeled the “f**e news” media “the enemy of the people.”

Accused the media of lying about his “very nice” conversation with the Australian prime minister. Ultimately, a leaked transcript of the call showed it was Trump who was lying.

Urged someone to buy the New York Times to “either run it correctly or let it fold.”
Trump Tweet
While Trump tries to portray journalists at the “enemies” of Americans, it’s his attacks on the press that amount to an assault on the cornerstone of American democracy: the First Amendment.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/freedom-pres... (show quote)


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Talk about f**e news!!! These are exaggerations or outright lies.
"Presided over a Justice Department investigation in which years' worth of email and phone records belonging to a New York Times reporter were seized in connection with a leak investigation."

This was the Obama investigation. How could Trump preside over an investigation going on for years when he only took office in Jan 2017?

"Threatened to change libel laws to make it easier to sue publishers and news organizations following the release of an unflattering book."

He said he wanted to "take a strong look at libel laws" Reading and comprehension must not be your strong suit.

"Demanded the Washington Post fire a reporter over an inaccurate tweet about the crowd size at a Trump rally, which the reporter apologized for and deleted."

Reading and comprehension. A suggestion is NOT a demand.

"Urged people to sue ABC News over a retracted report, which Trump claimed caused the stock market to fall and investors to lose money."

This is true as far as you've gone. But is far from the whole story. Even if a story retraction is publicized as widely as the initial story (which is never the case) will it give people back the money they lost on the falling stocks? Trump tweeted, “People who lost money when the Stock Market went down 350 points based on the False and Dishonest reporting of Brian Ross of @ABC News (he has been suspended), should consider hiring a lawyer and suing ABC for the damages this bad reporting has caused — many millions of dollars!” But note. This was specific to a particular story, not a call to sue media in general without cause.

"On the day that Russia enacted restrictions on foreign news outlets, tweeted: “CNN International is still a major source of (F**e) news, and they represent our Nation to the WORLD very poorly. The outside world does not see the t***h from them!” He then called for a contest between CNN and other outlets, apart from Fox, to see which has “the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me).”"

And your point? How is this reducing freedom of the press?

"Said it is “frankly d********g the way the press is able to write wh**ever they want to write” in a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau."

It is d********g. Journalists use to need multiple sources to report a story, and at least some must be named sources. Integrity is no longer a hallmark of journalism.

"Threatened to cancel the broadcast licenses of media companies that offer negative coverage of him."

He said, “With all of the F**e News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!” This is a question. He never threatened to cancel their license!!!!


"Had the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, call on ESPN to fire Jemele Hill for criticizing him."

You make it sound like an order was given. Sarah Huckabee Sanders said ESPN should fire one of its sports anchors for calling President Donald Trump "a w***e s*********t". Again. There was NO lessening of freedom of the press.

"Threatened legal action against a journalist and publisher over a book that includes critical statements about him."

It's funny that up until Bannon criticized Trump, he was reviled by the left and there was a campaign to shut down Breitbart. Suddenly he was the media's golden boy.

"Tweeted mocking images of him wrestling a CNN reporter and his campaign hitting a CNN reporter with a train."

So you and he have a different taste in humor. And this prevents freedom of the press how?

"Overseen a Justice Department review of policies for subpoenaing media organizations in an effort to crack down on both whistleblowers and journalists. As of November 2017, investigations of leaks by the department reportedly grew 800 percent under Jeff Sessions."

The Obama policy of subpoenaing journalists to crack down on whistleblowers is what was being reviewed. NO journalists have been subpoenaed since Trump took over. Leak investigations? Yes. But no more legal actions against journalist for receiving leaked info or even publishing it. It is the leakers which are being sought, not the journalists receiving the info.

"Pledged to “fight the #F**eNews” with a Polish leader hostile to press freedom."

Duda tweeted "Let's FIGHT F**E NEWS," to which Trump responded "We will fight the #F**eNews with you!" This in no way pledges to suppress freedom of the press in Poland. Does Poland have constitutional guarantees on freedom of the press as we do? Whether they do or not, Trump did NOT suppress Polish media!

"Attacked reporters while speaking with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has fostered a climate of violence against journalists."

At a photo op before their private G20 summit meeting, the Russian President leaned in to Mr Trump, gestured to the journalists in the room, and asked: "These are the ones hurting you?”

"These are the ones. You're right about that,” Mr Trump responded.

Hardly an attack. Funny that when masked a****a thugs use clubs to smash property, and set cars on fire, and even assault people; the left never calls it an attack. In fact the worst they say is it is a mostly peaceful protest.

"Said that his mission to “drain the swamp” begins “with the F**e News!”"

You almost had the quote correct.
Trump tweeted, "Drain the Swamp should be changed to Drain the Sewer - it's actually much worse than anyone ever thought, and it begins with the F**e News!" And this tweet suppresses freedom of the press how?

"Reportedly asked then-FBI Director James Comey to jail reporters who publish classified information."

Reported by who? Considering Trump has not been at all shy about criticizing the press, why would he keep this one secret.

"Tasked his former chief of staff with looking into changing the country’s libel laws."

Which libel laws? There ARE NO federal libel laws. They vary from state to state. There was a discussion of whether or not anything could be done to encourage responsible news reporting and libel laws were brought up. No one was tasked into looking into changing any state's libel laws.

"Explored the prosecution of WikiLeaks for publishing CIA and State Department materials."

Only prosecution? No asking whether or not a drone could be used to take Assange out? Oh no. Sorry. That was Hillary. So what was being explored? Obama's case against Assange with multiple charges, including violating the espionage act, was still open when Trump took office. The case was reviewed to see if it should be continued or closed.

"Labeled the “f**e news” media “the enemy of the people.”"

Trump Quote. "F**e news is the enemy of the American people." So unless you mean to say ALL media coverage is f**e news; then what you and many media outlets' headlines are stating is a lie! In other words, it is f**e news.

"Accused the media of lying about his “very nice” conversation with the Australian prime minister. Ultimately, a leaked transcript of the call showed it was Trump who was lying."

Have you read the transcript? Here it is. Point out where the lie is. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/04/full-transcript-of-trumps-phone-call-with-australian-prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull

"Urged someone to buy the New York Times to “either run it correctly or let it fold.”"

Unless he causes it to be bought and then controls what is published or orders it closed; it is NOT suppression of freedom of the press to display exasperation by calling on "someone" to do something!


I'm sorry you didn't investigate what you posted before making a fool of yourself. None of these examples come close to suppressing freedom of the press. And the biggest proof that Trump isn't suppressing freedom of the press is the media is publishing plenty of negative articles on Trump. It is when virtually any criticism of a president dries up in the media that it is a red f**g that the freedom of the press is being suppressed.

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Aug 24, 2018 21:33:48   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
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Talk about f**e news!!! These are exaggerations or outright lies.
"Presided over a Justice Department investigation in which years' worth of email and phone records belonging to a New York Times reporter were seized in connection with a leak investigation."

This was the Obama investigation. How could Trump preside over an investigation going on for years when he only took office in Jan 2017?

"Threatened to change libel laws to make it easier to sue publishers and news organizations following the release of an unflattering book."

He said he wanted to "take a strong look at libel laws" Reading and comprehension must not be your strong suit.

"Demanded the Washington Post fire a reporter over an inaccurate tweet about the crowd size at a Trump rally, which the reporter apologized for and deleted."

Reading and comprehension. A suggestion is NOT a demand.

"Urged people to sue ABC News over a retracted report, which Trump claimed caused the stock market to fall and investors to lose money."

This is true as far as you've gone. But is far from the whole story. Even if a story retraction is publicized as widely as the initial story (which is never the case) will it give people back the money they lost on the falling stocks? Trump tweeted, “People who lost money when the Stock Market went down 350 points based on the False and Dishonest reporting of Brian Ross of @ABC News (he has been suspended), should consider hiring a lawyer and suing ABC for the damages this bad reporting has caused — many millions of dollars!” But note. This was specific to a particular story, not a call to sue media in general without cause.

"On the day that Russia enacted restrictions on foreign news outlets, tweeted: “CNN International is still a major source of (F**e) news, and they represent our Nation to the WORLD very poorly. The outside world does not see the t***h from them!” He then called for a contest between CNN and other outlets, apart from Fox, to see which has “the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me).”"

And your point? How is this reducing freedom of the press?

"Said it is “frankly d********g the way the press is able to write wh**ever they want to write” in a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau."

It is d********g. Journalists use to need multiple sources to report a story, and at least some must be named sources. Integrity is no longer a hallmark of journalism.

"Threatened to cancel the broadcast licenses of media companies that offer negative coverage of him."

He said, “With all of the F**e News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!” This is a question. He never threatened to cancel their license!!!!


"Had the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, call on ESPN to fire Jemele Hill for criticizing him."

You make it sound like an order was given. Sarah Huckabee Sanders said ESPN should fire one of its sports anchors for calling President Donald Trump "a w***e s*********t". Again. There was NO lessening of freedom of the press.

"Threatened legal action against a journalist and publisher over a book that includes critical statements about him."

It's funny that up until Bannon criticized Trump, he was reviled by the left and there was a campaign to shut down Breitbart. Suddenly he was the media's golden boy.

"Tweeted mocking images of him wrestling a CNN reporter and his campaign hitting a CNN reporter with a train."

So you and he have a different taste in humor. And this prevents freedom of the press how?

"Overseen a Justice Department review of policies for subpoenaing media organizations in an effort to crack down on both whistleblowers and journalists. As of November 2017, investigations of leaks by the department reportedly grew 800 percent under Jeff Sessions."

The Obama policy of subpoenaing journalists to crack down on whistleblowers is what was being reviewed. NO journalists have been subpoenaed since Trump took over. Leak investigations? Yes. But no more legal actions against journalist for receiving leaked info or even publishing it. It is the leakers which are being sought, not the journalists receiving the info.

"Pledged to “fight the #F**eNews” with a Polish leader hostile to press freedom."

Duda tweeted "Let's FIGHT F**E NEWS," to which Trump responded "We will fight the #F**eNews with you!" This in no way pledges to suppress freedom of the press in Poland. Does Poland have constitutional guarantees on freedom of the press as we do? Whether they do or not, Trump did NOT suppress Polish media!

"Attacked reporters while speaking with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has fostered a climate of violence against journalists."

At a photo op before their private G20 summit meeting, the Russian President leaned in to Mr Trump, gestured to the journalists in the room, and asked: "These are the ones hurting you?”

"These are the ones. You're right about that,” Mr Trump responded.

Hardly an attack. Funny that when masked a****a thugs use clubs to smash property, and set cars on fire, and even assault people; the left never calls it an attack. In fact the worst they say is it is a mostly peaceful protest.

"Said that his mission to “drain the swamp” begins “with the F**e News!”"

You almost had the quote correct.
Trump tweeted, "Drain the Swamp should be changed to Drain the Sewer - it's actually much worse than anyone ever thought, and it begins with the F**e News!" And this tweet suppresses freedom of the press how?

"Reportedly asked then-FBI Director James Comey to jail reporters who publish classified information."

Reported by who? Considering Trump has not been at all shy about criticizing the press, why would he keep this one secret.

"Tasked his former chief of staff with looking into changing the country’s libel laws."

Which libel laws? There ARE NO federal libel laws. They vary from state to state. There was a discussion of whether or not anything could be done to encourage responsible news reporting and libel laws were brought up. No one was tasked into looking into changing any state's libel laws.

"Explored the prosecution of WikiLeaks for publishing CIA and State Department materials."

Only prosecution? No asking whether or not a drone could be used to take Assange out? Oh no. Sorry. That was Hillary. So what was being explored? Obama's case against Assange with multiple charges, including violating the espionage act, was still open when Trump took office. The case was reviewed to see if it should be continued or closed.

"Labeled the “f**e news” media “the enemy of the people.”"

Trump Quote. "F**e news is the enemy of the American people." So unless you mean to say ALL media coverage is f**e news; then what you and many media outlets' headlines are stating is a lie! In other words, it is f**e news.

"Accused the media of lying about his “very nice” conversation with the Australian prime minister. Ultimately, a leaked transcript of the call showed it was Trump who was lying."

Have you read the transcript? Here it is. Point out where the lie is. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/04/full-transcript-of-trumps-phone-call-with-australian-prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull

"Urged someone to buy the New York Times to “either run it correctly or let it fold.”"

Unless he causes it to be bought and then controls what is published or orders it closed; it is NOT suppression of freedom of the press to display exasperation by calling on "someone" to do something!


I'm sorry you didn't investigate what you posted before making a fool of yourself. None of these examples come close to suppressing freedom of the press. And the biggest proof that Trump isn't suppressing freedom of the press is the media is publishing plenty of negative articles on Trump. It is when virtually any criticism of a president dries up in the media that it is a red f**g that the freedom of the press is being suppressed.
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DAMN you're good!

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Aug 24, 2018 22:56:52   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
JoyV wrote:
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Talk about f**e news!!! These are exaggerations or outright lies.
"Presided over a Justice Department investigation in which years' worth of email and phone records belonging to a New York Times reporter were seized in connection with a leak investigation."

This was the Obama investigation. How could Trump preside over an investigation going on for years when he only took office in Jan 2017?

"Threatened to change libel laws to make it easier to sue publishers and news organizations following the release of an unflattering book."

He said he wanted to "take a strong look at libel laws" Reading and comprehension must not be your strong suit.

"Demanded the Washington Post fire a reporter over an inaccurate tweet about the crowd size at a Trump rally, which the reporter apologized for and deleted."

Reading and comprehension. A suggestion is NOT a demand.

"Urged people to sue ABC News over a retracted report, which Trump claimed caused the stock market to fall and investors to lose money."

This is true as far as you've gone. But is far from the whole story. Even if a story retraction is publicized as widely as the initial story (which is never the case) will it give people back the money they lost on the falling stocks? Trump tweeted, “People who lost money when the Stock Market went down 350 points based on the False and Dishonest reporting of Brian Ross of @ABC News (he has been suspended), should consider hiring a lawyer and suing ABC for the damages this bad reporting has caused — many millions of dollars!” But note. This was specific to a particular story, not a call to sue media in general without cause.

"On the day that Russia enacted restrictions on foreign news outlets, tweeted: “CNN International is still a major source of (F**e) news, and they represent our Nation to the WORLD very poorly. The outside world does not see the t***h from them!” He then called for a contest between CNN and other outlets, apart from Fox, to see which has “the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me).”"

And your point? How is this reducing freedom of the press?

"Said it is “frankly d********g the way the press is able to write wh**ever they want to write” in a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau."

It is d********g. Journalists use to need multiple sources to report a story, and at least some must be named sources. Integrity is no longer a hallmark of journalism.

"Threatened to cancel the broadcast licenses of media companies that offer negative coverage of him."

He said, “With all of the F**e News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!” This is a question. He never threatened to cancel their license!!!!


"Had the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, call on ESPN to fire Jemele Hill for criticizing him."

You make it sound like an order was given. Sarah Huckabee Sanders said ESPN should fire one of its sports anchors for calling President Donald Trump "a w***e s*********t". Again. There was NO lessening of freedom of the press.

"Threatened legal action against a journalist and publisher over a book that includes critical statements about him."

It's funny that up until Bannon criticized Trump, he was reviled by the left and there was a campaign to shut down Breitbart. Suddenly he was the media's golden boy.

"Tweeted mocking images of him wrestling a CNN reporter and his campaign hitting a CNN reporter with a train."

So you and he have a different taste in humor. And this prevents freedom of the press how?

"Overseen a Justice Department review of policies for subpoenaing media organizations in an effort to crack down on both whistleblowers and journalists. As of November 2017, investigations of leaks by the department reportedly grew 800 percent under Jeff Sessions."

The Obama policy of subpoenaing journalists to crack down on whistleblowers is what was being reviewed. NO journalists have been subpoenaed since Trump took over. Leak investigations? Yes. But no more legal actions against journalist for receiving leaked info or even publishing it. It is the leakers which are being sought, not the journalists receiving the info.

"Pledged to “fight the #F**eNews” with a Polish leader hostile to press freedom."

Duda tweeted "Let's FIGHT F**E NEWS," to which Trump responded "We will fight the #F**eNews with you!" This in no way pledges to suppress freedom of the press in Poland. Does Poland have constitutional guarantees on freedom of the press as we do? Whether they do or not, Trump did NOT suppress Polish media!

"Attacked reporters while speaking with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has fostered a climate of violence against journalists."

At a photo op before their private G20 summit meeting, the Russian President leaned in to Mr Trump, gestured to the journalists in the room, and asked: "These are the ones hurting you?”

"These are the ones. You're right about that,” Mr Trump responded.

Hardly an attack. Funny that when masked a****a thugs use clubs to smash property, and set cars on fire, and even assault people; the left never calls it an attack. In fact the worst they say is it is a mostly peaceful protest.

"Said that his mission to “drain the swamp” begins “with the F**e News!”"

You almost had the quote correct.
Trump tweeted, "Drain the Swamp should be changed to Drain the Sewer - it's actually much worse than anyone ever thought, and it begins with the F**e News!" And this tweet suppresses freedom of the press how?

"Reportedly asked then-FBI Director James Comey to jail reporters who publish classified information."

Reported by who? Considering Trump has not been at all shy about criticizing the press, why would he keep this one secret.

"Tasked his former chief of staff with looking into changing the country’s libel laws."

Which libel laws? There ARE NO federal libel laws. They vary from state to state. There was a discussion of whether or not anything could be done to encourage responsible news reporting and libel laws were brought up. No one was tasked into looking into changing any state's libel laws.

"Explored the prosecution of WikiLeaks for publishing CIA and State Department materials."

Only prosecution? No asking whether or not a drone could be used to take Assange out? Oh no. Sorry. That was Hillary. So what was being explored? Obama's case against Assange with multiple charges, including violating the espionage act, was still open when Trump took office. The case was reviewed to see if it should be continued or closed.

"Labeled the “f**e news” media “the enemy of the people.”"

Trump Quote. "F**e news is the enemy of the American people." So unless you mean to say ALL media coverage is f**e news; then what you and many media outlets' headlines are stating is a lie! In other words, it is f**e news.

"Accused the media of lying about his “very nice” conversation with the Australian prime minister. Ultimately, a leaked transcript of the call showed it was Trump who was lying."

Have you read the transcript? Here it is. Point out where the lie is. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/04/full-transcript-of-trumps-phone-call-with-australian-prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull

"Urged someone to buy the New York Times to “either run it correctly or let it fold.”"

Unless he causes it to be bought and then controls what is published or orders it closed; it is NOT suppression of freedom of the press to display exasperation by calling on "someone" to do something!


I'm sorry you didn't investigate what you posted before making a fool of yourself. None of these examples come close to suppressing freedom of the press. And the biggest proof that Trump isn't suppressing freedom of the press is the media is publishing plenty of negative articles on Trump. It is when virtually any criticism of a president dries up in the media that it is a red f**g that the freedom of the press is being suppressed.
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Don't waste your time replying to "perme"

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Aug 25, 2018 07:58:36   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
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Talk about f**e news!!! These are exaggerations or outright lies.
"Presided over a Justice Department investigation in which years' worth of email and phone records belonging to a New York Times reporter were seized in connection with a leak investigation."

This was the Obama investigation. How could Trump preside over an investigation going on for years when he only took office in Jan 2017?

"Threatened to change libel laws to make it easier to sue publishers and news organizations following the release of an unflattering book."

He said he wanted to "take a strong look at libel laws" Reading and comprehension must not be your strong suit.

"Demanded the Washington Post fire a reporter over an inaccurate tweet about the crowd size at a Trump rally, which the reporter apologized for and deleted."

Reading and comprehension. A suggestion is NOT a demand.

"Urged people to sue ABC News over a retracted report, which Trump claimed caused the stock market to fall and investors to lose money."

This is true as far as you've gone. But is far from the whole story. Even if a story retraction is publicized as widely as the initial story (which is never the case) will it give people back the money they lost on the falling stocks? Trump tweeted, “People who lost money when the Stock Market went down 350 points based on the False and Dishonest reporting of Brian Ross of @ABC News (he has been suspended), should consider hiring a lawyer and suing ABC for the damages this bad reporting has caused — many millions of dollars!” But note. This was specific to a particular story, not a call to sue media in general without cause.

"On the day that Russia enacted restrictions on foreign news outlets, tweeted: “CNN International is still a major source of (F**e) news, and they represent our Nation to the WORLD very poorly. The outside world does not see the t***h from them!” He then called for a contest between CNN and other outlets, apart from Fox, to see which has “the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me).”"

And your point? How is this reducing freedom of the press?

"Said it is “frankly d********g the way the press is able to write wh**ever they want to write” in a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau."

It is d********g. Journalists use to need multiple sources to report a story, and at least some must be named sources. Integrity is no longer a hallmark of journalism.

"Threatened to cancel the broadcast licenses of media companies that offer negative coverage of him."

He said, “With all of the F**e News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!” This is a question. He never threatened to cancel their license!!!!


"Had the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, call on ESPN to fire Jemele Hill for criticizing him."

You make it sound like an order was given. Sarah Huckabee Sanders said ESPN should fire one of its sports anchors for calling President Donald Trump "a w***e s*********t". Again. There was NO lessening of freedom of the press.

"Threatened legal action against a journalist and publisher over a book that includes critical statements about him."

It's funny that up until Bannon criticized Trump, he was reviled by the left and there was a campaign to shut down Breitbart. Suddenly he was the media's golden boy.

"Tweeted mocking images of him wrestling a CNN reporter and his campaign hitting a CNN reporter with a train."

So you and he have a different taste in humor. And this prevents freedom of the press how?

"Overseen a Justice Department review of policies for subpoenaing media organizations in an effort to crack down on both whistleblowers and journalists. As of November 2017, investigations of leaks by the department reportedly grew 800 percent under Jeff Sessions."

The Obama policy of subpoenaing journalists to crack down on whistleblowers is what was being reviewed. NO journalists have been subpoenaed since Trump took over. Leak investigations? Yes. But no more legal actions against journalist for receiving leaked info or even publishing it. It is the leakers which are being sought, not the journalists receiving the info.

"Pledged to “fight the #F**eNews” with a Polish leader hostile to press freedom."

Duda tweeted "Let's FIGHT F**E NEWS," to which Trump responded "We will fight the #F**eNews with you!" This in no way pledges to suppress freedom of the press in Poland. Does Poland have constitutional guarantees on freedom of the press as we do? Whether they do or not, Trump did NOT suppress Polish media!

"Attacked reporters while speaking with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has fostered a climate of violence against journalists."

At a photo op before their private G20 summit meeting, the Russian President leaned in to Mr Trump, gestured to the journalists in the room, and asked: "These are the ones hurting you?”

"These are the ones. You're right about that,” Mr Trump responded.

Hardly an attack. Funny that when masked a****a thugs use clubs to smash property, and set cars on fire, and even assault people; the left never calls it an attack. In fact the worst they say is it is a mostly peaceful protest.

"Said that his mission to “drain the swamp” begins “with the F**e News!”"

You almost had the quote correct.
Trump tweeted, "Drain the Swamp should be changed to Drain the Sewer - it's actually much worse than anyone ever thought, and it begins with the F**e News!" And this tweet suppresses freedom of the press how?

"Reportedly asked then-FBI Director James Comey to jail reporters who publish classified information."

Reported by who? Considering Trump has not been at all shy about criticizing the press, why would he keep this one secret.

"Tasked his former chief of staff with looking into changing the country’s libel laws."

Which libel laws? There ARE NO federal libel laws. They vary from state to state. There was a discussion of whether or not anything could be done to encourage responsible news reporting and libel laws were brought up. No one was tasked into looking into changing any state's libel laws.

"Explored the prosecution of WikiLeaks for publishing CIA and State Department materials."

Only prosecution? No asking whether or not a drone could be used to take Assange out? Oh no. Sorry. That was Hillary. So what was being explored? Obama's case against Assange with multiple charges, including violating the espionage act, was still open when Trump took office. The case was reviewed to see if it should be continued or closed.

"Labeled the “f**e news” media “the enemy of the people.”"

Trump Quote. "F**e news is the enemy of the American people." So unless you mean to say ALL media coverage is f**e news; then what you and many media outlets' headlines are stating is a lie! In other words, it is f**e news.

"Accused the media of lying about his “very nice” conversation with the Australian prime minister. Ultimately, a leaked transcript of the call showed it was Trump who was lying."

Have you read the transcript? Here it is. Point out where the lie is. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/04/full-transcript-of-trumps-phone-call-with-australian-prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull

"Urged someone to buy the New York Times to “either run it correctly or let it fold.”"

Unless he causes it to be bought and then controls what is published or orders it closed; it is NOT suppression of freedom of the press to display exasperation by calling on "someone" to do something!


I'm sorry you didn't investigate what you posted before making a fool of yourself. None of these examples come close to suppressing freedom of the press. And the biggest proof that Trump isn't suppressing freedom of the press is the media is publishing plenty of negative articles on Trump. It is when virtually any criticism of a president dries up in the media that it is a red f**g that the freedom of the press is being suppressed.
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To you and the orange Butt head, anything that does not kiss his butt is "f**e news"..

This is all true and you will never see the light..

trump has dreamed of shutting down the free press long before they reported on his fraudulent university..

As a two bit criminal who was left a fountain by his daddy, he has bought his way out his crimes for a life time..

Now he is PO with a press that tells the t***h about him..

This Friday developments may be the last push to set him down..

the end of NK talks for now and the upcoming interviews with his money manager and his one time friend.. Or the closest a thing like trump could come to having a friend..

It shows, he had no friends, only a lot of people who hoped to get near his money..



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Aug 25, 2018 09:07:30   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
permafrost wrote:
To you and the orange Butt head, anything that does not kiss his butt is "f**e news"..

This is all true and you will never see the light..

trump has dreamed of shutting down the free press long before they reported on his fraudulent university..

As a two bit criminal who was left a fountain by his daddy, he has bought his way out his crimes for a life time..

Now he is PO with a press that tells the t***h about him..

This Friday developments may be the last push to set him down..

the end of NK talks for now and the upcoming interviews with his money manager and his one time friend.. Or the closest a thing like trump could come to having a friend..

It shows, he had no friends, only a lot of people who hoped to get near his money..
To you and the orange Butt head, anything that doe... (show quote)



https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2018/8/25/286735-0620_2114754756509555663_n.jpg
Some people grow up and get wiser with age.
1990?
Seems pretty rare with Democrats.

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Aug 25, 2018 09:20:01   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
permafrost wrote:
To you and the orange Butt head, anything that does not kiss his butt is "f**e news"..

This is all true and you will never see the light..

trump has dreamed of shutting down the free press long before they reported on his fraudulent university..

As a two bit criminal who was left a fountain by his daddy, he has bought his way out his crimes for a life time..

Now he is PO with a press that tells the t***h about him..

This Friday developments may be the last push to set him down..

the end of NK talks for now and the upcoming interviews with his money manager and his one time friend.. Or the closest a thing like trump could come to having a friend..

It shows, he had no friends, only a lot of people who hoped to get near his money..
To you and the orange Butt head, anything that doe... (show quote)


perm you're pretty good a photo cropping !

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Aug 25, 2018 10:39:21   #
tbutkovich
 
If you were to do a “brain scan” on Permafrost you would find large concentrations of “amyloid plaque” which science has determined its negative effect on one’s “cognitive sk**ls.” I don’t bother to read or respond to his posts because he suffers from serious brain damage.

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Aug 25, 2018 11:56:07   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JoyV wrote:
Criticism of any reporter or news outlet is not an attack on freedom of the press? Has Trump ordered any media outlet closed? Has he put any sanctions on the media. Has he imprisoned journalists or charged them with violating the espionage act like Obama did? Did he have reporters phone logs subpoenaed and seized by the Justice Department? Has he accused reporters in an affidavit for one of those subpoenas of being 'an aider, abettor and/or conspirator' of an indicted leak defendant, exposing him to possible prosecution for doing his job as a journalist? Has he ordered a New York Times reporter to testify against a defendant or go to jail."

Here is a report by the highly respected Committee to Protect Journalists [released Oct 11, 2013] - its first-ever on press freedoms in the US - powerfully underscores just how extreme is the threat to press freedom posed by this [Obama] administration. Written by former Washington Post executive editor Leonard Downie, Jr., the report offers a comprehensive survey of the multiple ways that the Obama presidency has ushered in a paralyzing climate of fear for journalists and sources alike, one that severely threatens the news-gathering process.

"In the Obama administration's Washington, government officials are increasingly afraid to talk to the press." Among the most shameful aspects of the Obama record

'I worry now about calling somebody because the contact can be found out through a check of phone records or e-mails,' said veteran national security journalist R. Jeffrey Smith of the Center for Public Integrity, an influential nonprofit government accountability news organization in Washington. 'It leaves a digital trail that makes it easier for the government to monitor those contacts,' he said."

New York Times national security reporter Scott Shane said that sources are "scared to death." It quotes New York Times reporter David Sanger as saying that "this is the most closed, control freak administration I've ever covered." And it notes that New York Times public editor Margaret Sullivan previously wrote that "it's turning out to be the administration of unprecedented secrecy and unprecedented attacks on a free press."

https://cpj.org/reports/2013/10/obama-and-the-press-us-leaks-surveillance-post-911.php
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What you have stated is the t***h but the liberal/progressive press had become so enamored with Obama they have lost their prospective and the ability to state true facts, as to what is going on in this country today. They have become partisans and only see with the eyes of the progressive's.
So sad for this country.

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Aug 26, 2018 19:29:50   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Louie27 wrote:

What you have stated is the t***h but the liberal/progressive press had become so enamored with Obama they have lost their prospective and the ability to state true facts, as to what is going on in this country today. They have become partisans and only see with the eyes of the progressive's.
So sad for this country.
img src="https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/ima... (show quote)


'None Dare Call It Conspiracy' was published.
A Primer for those that do not know how the PTB manipulate the v**ers, and control both parties.
https://wrathoftheawakenedsaxon.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/none-dare-call-it-conspiracy.pdf

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Aug 26, 2018 19:58:15   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
JoyV wrote:
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Talk about f**e news!!! These are exaggerations or outright lies.
"Presided over a Justice Department investigation in which years' worth of email and phone records belonging to a New York Times reporter were seized in connection with a leak investigation."

This was the Obama investigation. How could Trump preside over an investigation going on for years when he only took office in Jan 2017?

"Threatened to change libel laws to make it easier to sue publishers and news organizations following the release of an unflattering book."

He said he wanted to "take a strong look at libel laws" Reading and comprehension must not be your strong suit.

"Demanded the Washington Post fire a reporter over an inaccurate tweet about the crowd size at a Trump rally, which the reporter apologized for and deleted."

Reading and comprehension. A suggestion is NOT a demand.

"Urged people to sue ABC News over a retracted report, which Trump claimed caused the stock market to fall and investors to lose money."

This is true as far as you've gone. But is far from the whole story. Even if a story retraction is publicized as widely as the initial story (which is never the case) will it give people back the money they lost on the falling stocks? Trump tweeted, “People who lost money when the Stock Market went down 350 points based on the False and Dishonest reporting of Brian Ross of @ABC News (he has been suspended), should consider hiring a lawyer and suing ABC for the damages this bad reporting has caused — many millions of dollars!” But note. This was specific to a particular story, not a call to sue media in general without cause.

"On the day that Russia enacted restrictions on foreign news outlets, tweeted: “CNN International is still a major source of (F**e) news, and they represent our Nation to the WORLD very poorly. The outside world does not see the t***h from them!” He then called for a contest between CNN and other outlets, apart from Fox, to see which has “the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me).”"

And your point? How is this reducing freedom of the press?

"Said it is “frankly d********g the way the press is able to write wh**ever they want to write” in a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau."

It is d********g. Journalists use to need multiple sources to report a story, and at least some must be named sources. Integrity is no longer a hallmark of journalism.

"Threatened to cancel the broadcast licenses of media companies that offer negative coverage of him."

He said, “With all of the F**e News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!” This is a question. He never threatened to cancel their license!!!!


"Had the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, call on ESPN to fire Jemele Hill for criticizing him."

You make it sound like an order was given. Sarah Huckabee Sanders said ESPN should fire one of its sports anchors for calling President Donald Trump "a w***e s*********t". Again. There was NO lessening of freedom of the press.

"Threatened legal action against a journalist and publisher over a book that includes critical statements about him."

It's funny that up until Bannon criticized Trump, he was reviled by the left and there was a campaign to shut down Breitbart. Suddenly he was the media's golden boy.

"Tweeted mocking images of him wrestling a CNN reporter and his campaign hitting a CNN reporter with a train."

So you and he have a different taste in humor. And this prevents freedom of the press how?

"Overseen a Justice Department review of policies for subpoenaing media organizations in an effort to crack down on both whistleblowers and journalists. As of November 2017, investigations of leaks by the department reportedly grew 800 percent under Jeff Sessions."

The Obama policy of subpoenaing journalists to crack down on whistleblowers is what was being reviewed. NO journalists have been subpoenaed since Trump took over. Leak investigations? Yes. But no more legal actions against journalist for receiving leaked info or even publishing it. It is the leakers which are being sought, not the journalists receiving the info.

"Pledged to “fight the #F**eNews” with a Polish leader hostile to press freedom."

Duda tweeted "Let's FIGHT F**E NEWS," to which Trump responded "We will fight the #F**eNews with you!" This in no way pledges to suppress freedom of the press in Poland. Does Poland have constitutional guarantees on freedom of the press as we do? Whether they do or not, Trump did NOT suppress Polish media!

"Attacked reporters while speaking with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has fostered a climate of violence against journalists."

At a photo op before their private G20 summit meeting, the Russian President leaned in to Mr Trump, gestured to the journalists in the room, and asked: "These are the ones hurting you?”

"These are the ones. You're right about that,” Mr Trump responded.

Hardly an attack. Funny that when masked a****a thugs use clubs to smash property, and set cars on fire, and even assault people; the left never calls it an attack. In fact the worst they say is it is a mostly peaceful protest.

"Said that his mission to “drain the swamp” begins “with the F**e News!”"

You almost had the quote correct.
Trump tweeted, "Drain the Swamp should be changed to Drain the Sewer - it's actually much worse than anyone ever thought, and it begins with the F**e News!" And this tweet suppresses freedom of the press how?

"Reportedly asked then-FBI Director James Comey to jail reporters who publish classified information."

Reported by who? Considering Trump has not been at all shy about criticizing the press, why would he keep this one secret.

"Tasked his former chief of staff with looking into changing the country’s libel laws."

Which libel laws? There ARE NO federal libel laws. They vary from state to state. There was a discussion of whether or not anything could be done to encourage responsible news reporting and libel laws were brought up. No one was tasked into looking into changing any state's libel laws.

"Explored the prosecution of WikiLeaks for publishing CIA and State Department materials."

Only prosecution? No asking whether or not a drone could be used to take Assange out? Oh no. Sorry. That was Hillary. So what was being explored? Obama's case against Assange with multiple charges, including violating the espionage act, was still open when Trump took office. The case was reviewed to see if it should be continued or closed.

"Labeled the “f**e news” media “the enemy of the people.”"

Trump Quote. "F**e news is the enemy of the American people." So unless you mean to say ALL media coverage is f**e news; then what you and many media outlets' headlines are stating is a lie! In other words, it is f**e news.

"Accused the media of lying about his “very nice” conversation with the Australian prime minister. Ultimately, a leaked transcript of the call showed it was Trump who was lying."

Have you read the transcript? Here it is. Point out where the lie is. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/04/full-transcript-of-trumps-phone-call-with-australian-prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull

"Urged someone to buy the New York Times to “either run it correctly or let it fold.”"

Unless he causes it to be bought and then controls what is published or orders it closed; it is NOT suppression of freedom of the press to display exasperation by calling on "someone" to do something!


I'm sorry you didn't investigate what you posted before making a fool of yourself. None of these examples come close to suppressing freedom of the press. And the biggest proof that Trump isn't suppressing freedom of the press is the media is publishing plenty of negative articles on Trump. It is when virtually any criticism of a president dries up in the media that it is a red f**g that the freedom of the press is being suppressed.
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Excellent evaluation of the situation. We need more analysis of this type on OPP. The "progressives" make statements with no back up and, if you chose to challenge it the only response is one of those stupid cartoons not any valid responses.

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Aug 27, 2018 07:23:22   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Excellent evaluation of the situation. We need more analysis of this type on OPP. The "progressives" make statements with no back up and, if you chose to challenge it the only response is one of those stupid cartoons not any valid responses.


'None Dare Call It Conspiracy'
A Primer for those that do not know how the PTB manipulate the v**ers, and control both parties.
https://wrathoftheawakenedsaxon.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/none-dare-call-it-conspiracy.pdf

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Aug 30, 2018 17:44:02   #
Abel
 
Well, when you look like a duck, waddle like a duck, quack like a duck, and crap on everything in your path, I gotta say, you're probably a duck! When the shoe fits, wear it.

Abel wrote:
Hi Fit, very good post! You and I could most likely get along fine. We can't let our guard down though. Watch out for the foul wind that will follow, and pay little attention to it or let it get your blood pressure rise; there is little doubt that some of the riffraff will kick a little sand at you.

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Aug 30, 2018 18:42:07   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Abel wrote:
Well, when you look like a duck, waddle like a duck, quack like a duck, and crap on everything in your path, I gotta say, you're probably a duck! When the shoe fits, wear it.


'None Dare Call It Conspiracy' was published.
A Primer for those that do not know how the PTB manipulate the v**ers, and control both parties.
https://wrathoftheawakenedsaxon.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/none-dare-call-it-conspiracy.pdf

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